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The Devil Came Down To Mexico

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:31 am

Lord almighty.

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MEXICO CITY - The death squads of the drug cartels are killing in spectacularly gruesome ways, using the violence as a language to deliver a message to society.

Increasingly, bodies show unmistakable signs of torture. Videos of executions are posted on the Internet, as taunts, as warnings. Corpses are dumped on playgrounds, with neatly printed notes beside them. And very often, the heads have been removed.

When someone rolled five heads onto the dance floor in a cantina in Michoacan state two years ago, even the most hardened Mexicans were shocked. Now ritual mutilations are routine. In the border city of Tijuana, 37 people were slain over the weekend, including four children. Nine of the adults were decapitated, including three police officers whose badges were stuffed in their mouths.

"There is a new and different violence in this war," said Victor Clark Alfaro, the founder of the Binational Center for Human Rights, who moves around Tijuana accompanied by bodyguards. "Each method is now more brutal, more extreme than the last. To cut off the heads? That is now what they like. They are going to the edge of what is possible for a human being to do."

As competing drug cartels and their fragmented cells fight the police, the Mexican army and one another for control of billion-dollar smuggling corridors into the U.S. drug market, the violence unleashed by President Felipe Calderón's war against the traffickers grows more sensational.

An estimated 4,500 people have been killed in drug-related violence since 2007, when Calderón flooded the border and other drug hot zones with 20,000 Mexican troops and thousands of federal agents. November was the bloodiest month so far, with at least 700 killings, according to tallies kept by Mexican newspapers. Some victims had no connection to the drug trade, police say.

Twisted version of 'shock and awe'
Experts say the cartels and their enforcers are attempting their own twisted version of "shock and awe," broadcasting via traditional media, rumor mill and the Internet a willingness to fight to the end. Authorities also say the cartels are killing so graphically in order to sap public confidence in the government, perhaps hoping Calderón will allow the cartels to return to business as usual, when the smuggling organizations operated with the tacit support of corrupt officials.

Jorge Luis Aguirre, founder of the border news Web site La Polaka, said the cartels are waging a lethal but effective public relations war. Last month, Aguirre fled Ciudad Juarez after receiving a death threat while driving to the funeral of slain journalist Armando Rodríguez.

"They are making a joke about the authority of the government. All the killings and all so public. They are broadcasting that there is no government that can stop them. They are geniuses at marketing. They commit these spectacular murders. They decapitate people. They light people on fire," Aguirre said. "Who is not going to pay attention to that?"

Violence grows more grotesque
As the war drags on, the violence grows bolder and more grotesque. Last week in Juarez, the corpses of seven men, each shot multiple times, strangled and tortured, were lined up against a garden hedge at a primary school. The killers left poster-size signs. Soon after the bodies were discovered, the local police frequency was commandeered and songs in praise of cartels were broadcast on police radios.

In Tijuana last month, a man was executed inside a church. Bystanders, including children, have been killed in daylight gun battles. Five journalists have been assassinated this year, while the hotel where federal police stay in Ciudad Juarez has been assaulted by passing gunmen.

"The hyperviolence, the grotesque acts, the decapitations, dumping bodies in schoolyards, going after families, this is the work of what I call terrorist mafias," said John P. Walters, director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, who pushed for $400 million in U.S. aid to Mexico to fight the drug war. The first part of that money was released Wednesday.

Walters said Calderón and his troops are destabilizing the cartels, arresting and extraditing their leaders, sowing chaos among the ranks, which is one reason the violence is so extreme. "Terror is evidence of weakness," he said. "If you have power in other ways, you don't do this."

Alberto Capella Ibarra, Tijuana's former police chief, said in a radio interview Sunday that he believed the violence "is the consequence of so many years of impunity, so many years of discomposition of institutions, so many years that we allowed this to grow." Capella was fired this week after the deaths in his city.

In the past, many drug lords sought to be portrayed as tough-guy Robin Hoods, as godfather mafia dons who donated soccer balls and coloring books to schoolchildren and paid for the beer and bands at town fiestas. Now the cartels and their enforcers, who include former police and military deserters, are marketing themselves as dealers of chaos and death.

"This is psychological warfare," said Jorge Chabat, an expert in drug trade at the Center for Economic Research in Mexico City. "These beheadings serve to stun. Because most of them, from what I hear from my sources, take place after the guys are dead. They cut them off to show us what they are capable of."

Chabat said, "We're not used to this type of violence. The heads."

Law enforcement officials in Mexico and the United States say the spasm of violence is born of overlapping struggles. The cartels, and the cells within them, are fighting each other, dealing with traitors inside the organization and competitors outside, which in many cases may include crooked cops who work for the cartels. The traffickers are also fighting the police and military.

"It is three-dimensional chess," said Bruce Bagley, a drug trade expert and a professor at the University of Miami. "Where an amazingly lucrative drug trade fuels this brutality, that serves multiple functions -- for payback, for revenge, to send messages, to scare the hell out of the public and, of course, to win. Remember, these guys will do anything to win."

Messages left on dead bodies
The cartel killers communicate to one another and to society not only by murder but also message. In October, eight bodies were dumped facedown in an empty lot near a day-care center in Tijuana. Their hands were tied and a message read: "Here are your people."

State prosecutors in the western state of Michoacan, where the small drug cartel La Familia is based, discovered a head in an ice chest in the port city of Lazaro Cardenas. Tape covered the eyes and an attached message read: "From the Gulf Cartel." Two weeks ago, someone left funeral wreaths along the streets in the northern city of Hermosillo. State police say six of the wreaths included hand-lettered posters signed by the Gulf drug cartel. One of the signs read: "This is a message for the entire state police force, if you mess with us we are going to kill you and your entire family."

Messages also appear to be traded over the Internet. In Ciudad Juarez, local crime reporters troll a site on YouTube that hosts a music video translated as "Off the Pigs," which shows photos of slain police officers and crime scenes, accompanied by a bouncy narco-corrido ballad praising Sinaloa cartel boss Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán. The video has been watched more than 250,000 times. But what the reporters say they are interested in is not the music video itself -- a now-common tool for cartels or supporters or wannabe singers and gangsters -- but the chat that accompanies it.

'Reality and conspiracy blend together'
"A lot of this is just the usual blah, blah, blah, back and forth, as people argue online. But some of it? Some of these people who post seem to know what they're talking about. They seem inside," said Pedro Torres, editor of El Diario newspaper in Ciudad Juarez, where the crime reporter slain last month worked.

"Mexico is a strange country of truths and untruths, where reality and conspiracy blend together," said Tony Payan, the author of two books on the Mexican drug trade and a professor at the University of Texas at El Paso, across the river from Ciudad Juarez. "I am sure some of the people committing these sensational crimes have access to computers and the Internet, and so it is possible they are boasting online."

Payan added one more reason for the extreme violence. "From what I am told, these things occur while they are consuming their product. They are not sober. They are operating in a group, they are drugged up, and they are operating with a sense of absolute impunity," Payan said. "These are not criminals who shoot you and run away. No, they take you away and tear you apart. And then? Then they very calmly dump you wherever they like. That is what is so terrifying."

Hooded policemen stand guard at a street in Tijuana, Mexico, on Monday, Sept. 29. Tijuana is among the cities hardest hit by violence as Mexico's drug cartels battle for lucrative smuggling routes past the border to supply illegal drug users in the United States.



Yet, the US government and media is worried about some phantom boogeyman in a cave, when this unspeakable and out of control evil is happening right next door?

People think that unspeakable attrocities is something that happens way over yonder, in African civil wars or the middle east. Not, you know...a light car ride from San Diego.

What happens when this kind of insanity starts spilling over into the US?

Maybe now, the right wingers realize *why* Mexicans risk life and limb to better their lives in the US. To get away from their corrupt government and the drug cartels controlling their country.

Another article talking about the insanity in Mexico, talking about Juarez:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/171251

(where hundreds mutilated female victims have been found)
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Postby geogeo » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:59 am

"Mexico is a strange country of truths and untruths, where reality and conspiracy blend together," said Tony Payan, the author of two books on the Mexican drug trade and a professor at the University of Texas at El Paso, across the river from Ciudad Juarez. "I am sure some of the people committing these sensational crimes have access to computers and the Internet, and so it is possible they are boasting online."

Yo. Reality check. Minus the beheadings, this kind of violence DOES take place in the US. We still got gangs, man. All colors, all origins. But a lot of this drug stuff is linked to the occult--can't remember the name of the movie on this, horror, watched recently.

But there's lack of balance. This is the ONLY news about Mexico we get. I spend a lot of time there--it's a wonderful country. Seems like the media can only report the most shocking and grotesque aspects. surprise, surprise.

As for the beheadings, gangs were doing that in Honduras a few years back. It's linked to extreme-right-wing terror tactics. It's terrorism all right--the good ol' fashioned kind. These Mexican cartels are WAY wrapped up in funding for the secret state. Believe it. This 'drug war' is a sham. It's just window-dressing.
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Postby geogeo » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:00 am

Let me be clear--this is another Terror that your Government will save you from. This keeps Americans afraid, penned up like sheep. Fear the Mexican!
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:09 am

geogeo wrote:"Mexico is a strange country of truths and untruths, where reality and conspiracy blend together," said Tony Payan, the author of two books on the Mexican drug trade and a professor at the University of Texas at El Paso, across the river from Ciudad Juarez. "I am sure some of the people committing these sensational crimes have access to computers and the Internet, and so it is possible they are boasting online."

Yo. Reality check. Minus the beheadings, this kind of violence DOES take place in the US. We still got gangs, man. All colors, all origins. But a lot of this drug stuff is linked to the occult--can't remember the name of the movie on this, horror, watched recently.

But there's lack of balance. This is the ONLY news about Mexico we get. I spend a lot of time there--it's a wonderful country. Seems like the media can only report the most shocking and grotesque aspects. surprise, surprise.

As for the beheadings, gangs were doing that in Honduras a few years back. It's linked to extreme-right-wing terror tactics. It's terrorism all right--the good ol' fashioned kind. These Mexican cartels are WAY wrapped up in funding for the secret state. Believe it. This 'drug war' is a sham. It's just window-dressing.


Absolutely. Even just a cursory examination of "School of Americas", El Salvador, or even Clinton's Plan Columbia reveals the deep state behind narco states.

By the way, what movie was that(about violent drug cartels and the occult?) I remember Noriega thought "voodoo" would help him from his former CIA masters blowing his city up to get him.

It is sad how the drug violence is the only thing that gets reported in the US media.

I honestly worry about Beslan/Mumbai styled mass shootings randomly going off in America when the shit hits the fan. It'll be blamed on Islamic terror groups(the media reports Hezbollah inching their way up through central America) or something...or maybe it'll be from all the psychotic
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:10 am

geogeo wrote:Let me be clear--this is another Terror that your Government will save you from. This keeps Americans afraid, penned up like sheep. Fear the Mexican!


You had an interesting take on the Somali pirate situation, the Indian-Pakistan situation...do you think the seemingly out of control Mexican drug wars are leading to some sort of dialectic?
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Postby 82_28 » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:27 pm

I have learned today that two separate Mexican friends of mine have family that have been abducted in the last two weeks. One is a cousin of a man I have known for 10 years. Apparently cousin is a lawyer. Ransom is at 2 million pesos. The other is the nephew of a guy I know who is training to be a UFC fighter (yeah yeah, I hate it too. But he is my friend). They are unrelated abductions. One in Guerrero and the other in Mexico City.

I asked my friend what the family is going to do about it. He replied that there is nothing they can do. It is too much money. I asked about the police, calling them, getting them involved. With a sad look on his face, he said, "no way. They will kill him immediately."

It is, he said, The Mexican Way.
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Postby semper occultus » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:28 pm

certainly puts me in mind of CIA trained devil-worshipper Alberto Sicilia Falcon who ran the Mexican end of the heroin trade in the early 70's. He was a Cuban exile who was playing with some bad mojo from the old country :-
according to James Mills "The Underground Empire" where an aquaintance : "brought with him members of a Cuban devil cult who performed a ceremony to make Falcon a "devil prince".
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Postby Occult Means Hidden » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:11 pm

geogeo wrote:
But there's lack of balance. This is the ONLY news about Mexico we get. I spend a lot of time there--it's a wonderful country. Seems like the media can only report the most shocking and grotesque aspects. surprise, surprise.


I expect there to be newstory coverage of this. It would be outrageous if they didn't do their job, and not covered it. You expect them to write up stories of their wonderful cafe villa tourist experiences and nice people? That's the travel section.

Yeah, the people may be great an all, but there is a cancer in Mexico and the country and its people are ailing from it.

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Mexico's Bin Laden:

Joaquin Guzman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joaqu%C3%ADn_Guzm%C3%A1n

Interesting how he escapes from prison with help from the prison itself.

He goes by the name "shorty", which if you have followed hip hop at all, seems to come up again and again.

The current incantation of the Mexican Drug War was said to have started on December 11th of 2006 with a dramatic troop deployment by the Calderon administration.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:14 am

Aw, c'mon. Lighten up! Mexico is comical! !Muy entertaining!

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Case Files: Testimonies of Rape by Police in the Aftermath of Atenco
As Mexican Politicians (Guided by U.S. Advisors) Deny the Evidence, Each Woman’s Story Corroborates the Next

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Postby monster » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:56 am

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Postby justdrew » Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:56 am

I occasionally keep seeing articles claiming this is all hype, that yes there is violent crime in Mexico, but it not much worse than the US. I don't see how that position can be supportable, it must be wishful thinking or paid for propaganda I guess.

I don't know how they're going to deal with this level of highly organized mass violence.

well this thread title made me want to hear a good mexican style reworking of the classic, well, that'll have to wait for someday but for now...

best? -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtVkDZOc4K4

some other version there, like this one
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Postby 8bitagent » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:14 am

justdrew wrote:I occasionally keep seeing articles claiming this is all hype, that yes there is violent crime in Mexico, but it not much worse than the US.


Um, I dont recall a highly trained/equipped drug army fighting the US military and cops, with over 10,000 dead in recent years.
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Postby 82_28 » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:38 am

I hear you Hugh. The fabled slapstick "Mexicans" see it themselves as well. It is becoming ever more obvious.

Not necessarily any kind of war "with" Mexico. But this world is headed for a war. War for the rest of my life shall always be in quotes btw. "WAR". Fucking assholes. So many good people across so many cultural horizons -- oh excuse me "divides". Fuck them all to fucking hell, really. Yes, fuck the warpigs to fucking hell.

Many, many friends and important people in my life are not of my "culture". And that, assholes, is my culture.

Sorry.
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Postby vigilant » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:47 am

Yeah, the people may be great an all, but there is a cancer in Mexico and the country and its people are ailing from it.

There is only so much a human can follow closely, and this I haven't followed very closely. In a nutshell, is this "cancer" the CIA, I suspect it probably is? Its the cancer of most countries, and i'm wondering how it could be any different for mexico...???
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Postby 8bitagent » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:43 am

82_28 wrote:I hear you Hugh. The fabled slapstick "Mexicans" see it themselves as well. It is becoming ever more obvious.

Not necessarily any kind of war "with" Mexico. But this world is headed for a war. War for the rest of my life shall always be in quotes btw. "WAR". Fucking assholes. So many good people across so many cultural horizons -- oh excuse me "divides". Fuck them all to fucking hell, really. Yes, fuck the warpigs to fucking hell.

Many, many friends and important people in my life are not of my "culture". And that, assholes, is my culture.

Sorry.


I was just chatting tonight with a good buddy how we both fear major conflicts will begin to take shape, almost out of left field, next year and into this young new decade.

Yeah "war" indeed...basically, it doesn't take a conspiratorial mind to see how the same dark spiritual hand and heart manipulates counties into "war" and plays off everyone into mindless chaos. The genocidal Congo conflict comes to mind.
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