Florida men seek probe of unmarked graves at boys school

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Florida men seek probe of unmarked graves at boys school

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:13 pm

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/57358.html

TALLAHASSEE -- Convinced the 32 unmarked graves at the Florida School for Boys in Marianna are the bodies of boys abused and killed decades ago there, four former residents of the school are demanding the governor and state and federal attorneys investigate.

The four men, all of whom suffered from brutal beatings while students at the Marianna-based school for delinquent boys in the late 1950s, sent letters to Gov. Charlie Crist, the U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. attorney general alleging that the boys were victims of state-sponsored hate crimes and murder.

Their goal, they said, is for ''every last child, Caucasian, Hispanic and African-American who disappeared from the Florida School for Boys [to be] accounted for and, whatever relatives he may have, be given peace at last,'' said Michael O'McCarthy, 66, who resided at the school in 1958-59.

The men learned of the graves six weeks ago when the Department of Juvenile Justice invited five of the men back to the school to dedicate a plaque outside the white cinder-block building where they were beaten, known as the White House, and to close it down forever.

The graves were on what officials used to call ''the colored side'' of the school and the men now believe they remain unmarked ''to hide the nature of those children's deaths,'' O'McCarthy said.

''Given the institution's meticulous records . . . there is no practical reason that the identity of the children buried there was not recorded,'' he said.

O'McCarthy is now project director of the group that now calls itself ''The White House Boys'' and he believes the location of the grave provides reasonable evidence that the victims are African-American male children.

''We are shocked and puzzled . . . that neither the Florida governor's office, the Department of Juvenile Justice nor Florida Department of Law Enforcement have launched an investigation into these remains,'' he said.

Dick Colon, 65, of Baltimore, one of the White House Boys, recalls how he was working in the laundry in the late 1950s with some black boys. Colon went into the restroom and when he came out, the room had been cleared and one black boy was tumbling in the dryer.

''We never saw him again,'' he said. ''I think about it very often. . . . I feel guilty. I could have walked over there and tried to give him some help.'' But he knew, he added, that he would suffer beatings, abuse or worse if he had because they were told they were never to talk to the black boys or they would be subject to corporal punishment.

Roger Kiser, 63, of Brunswick, Ga., believes he witnessed two to three deaths during his stay at the school from 1958 and 1959 and again in 1960. One was a white boy shaking cream to make butter under the dining table, when a school attendant suspected him of masturbating. He was taken away ``and never seen again.''

Another time, he saw one of the school staff members order two boys into the tumble dryer. Later, their bodies were hauled away and he and others were ordered to say nothing about it.

They were warned, Kiser said, that if they caught us talking to them ''we would be taken to the White House and beaten. Corporal punishment was the means by which they controlled us,'' he said. ``We lived in daily fear.''

The men are also asking for the investigation to include the school's use of the boys for slave labor, sexual abuse, sex trafficking and kidnapping for sexual assault.

Gov. Charlie Crist's spokeswoman said the governor was supportive of an investigation.
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Postby Penguin » Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:21 pm

Those arent graves, they just buried coconuts there!
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:52 pm

''The White House Boys''. Bloody hell.

Has this been happening everywhere? Is there no end to it?

Here is a list, nowhere near comprehensive, of schools and reformatories where it is known that organised paedophilic abuse took place - an asterisk before those where murder is also alleged, a + to indicate either the involvement of intelligence services, or politicians as "clients", and a # to indicate an alleged Satanic element.

# De La Salle List D school, St. Ninians, Scotland - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tay ... 142791.stm

+ Kincora Boy's Home, Northern Ireland - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_Boys%27_Home

+ Casa Pia, Portugal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_Pia_c ... se_scandal

+*# Boy's Town, Nebraska, USA - surely no link needed. Data dump and multiple threads.

+*# Haut de la Garenne, Jersey - no link required.

+# Rignano Flaminio, Italy - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 706340.ece

+*# Presidio Day Care Centre, Calif. USA - no link required.

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This is a fraction of even the reported cases - and it's says something that there are so many that I've literally forgotten some. What the hell is (or was) going on?!
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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:06 pm

I guess it's obvious that abusers of all types gravitate toward places where they have access to lots of victims. How the abuse becomes institutionalized itself I don't know. At some point it has to be overlooked if not participated in by someone in authority. What about the origins of these places and who was involved; history of management from then to now, etc. :cry:
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:18 pm

All I know is that a huge proportion of them are religious institutions, but that probably doesn't mean much because, traditionally, only religious groups would bother to offer a service of this kind - caring for orphaned or abandoned, sometimes unruly if not dangerous kids, has not been much of a priority for the state until recently (and arguably still isn't).

As for each of the individual institutions and the history of their management - it's something I would and probably should study and find out about, but it would take years, and I think it would probably kill me.

My uncle was in the De La Salle school. He was a thief when he went in, by all accounts, even his own - of course, he was only young - but he came out a genuine psychopath (and still a thief to this day - rehabilitation...). Even knowing now what he probably went through, I can't be in the same room as him, and thankfully rarely am.
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Postby 8bitagent » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:25 pm

The biggest schoolyard gravesites in North America by far are in Canada,
where the kind "Christians" and state related powers murdered 50,000
aboriginal first nation children and young women, as well as implemented
forced sterilization and eugenics all throughout (shockingly enough) the 20th century.

Documentary on it here, "Unrepentant"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... nrepentant
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:33 pm

8bitagent wrote:The biggest schoolyard gravesites in North America by far are in Canada,
where the kind "Christians" and state related powers murdered 50,000
aboriginal first nation children and young women, as well as implemented
forced sterilization and eugenics all throughout (shockingly enough) the 20th century.

Documentary on it here, "Unrepentant"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... nrepentant


That, unbelievably, is one of the things I forgot. Unrepentant is required viewing for everybody, and truly informative - both about the methods of abuse and cover-up, and about the mindset that allows or encourages those methods to be used.

Good call, 8bit.
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