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Postby MinM » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:16 pm

NASA, Nazis & JFK

From Reilly Coffee to NASA .. some things never change. :shrug:

NASA has become a transition problem for Obama

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CAPE CANAVERAL – NASA administrator Mike Griffin is not cooperating with President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team, is obstructing its efforts to get information and has told its leader that she is “not qualified” to judge his rocket program, the Orlando Sentinel has learned.

In a heated 40-minute conversation last week with Lori Garver, a former NASA associate administrator who heads the space transition team, a red-faced Griffin demanded to speak directly to Obama, according to witnesses.

In addition, Griffin is scripting NASA employees and civilian contractors on what they can tell the transition team and has warned aerospace executives not to criticize the agency’s moon program, sources said.

Griffin’s resistance is part of a no-holds-barred effort to preserve the Constellation program, the delayed and over-budget moon rocket that is his signature project.

Chris Shank, NASA’s Chief of Strategic Communications, denied that Griffin is trying to keep information from the team, or that he is seeking a meeting with Obama. He also insisted that Griffin never argued with Garver.

“We are working extremely well with the transition team,” he said.

However, Shank acknowledged Griffin was concerned that the six-member team – all with space policy backgrounds – lack the engineering expertise to properly assess some of the information they have been given.

Garver refused comment about her conversation with Griffin -- and his remark that she is “not qualified” -- during a book-publication party at NASA headquarters last week. Obama’s Chicago office – which has sent similar transition teams to every federal agency – also had no comment.

People close to Garver, however, say that she has confirmed “unpleasant” exchanges with Griffin and other NASA officials. “Don’t worry, they have not beaten me down yet,” she e-mailed a colleague.

And this week, Garver told a meeting of aerospace representatives in Washington that “there will be change” to NASA policy and hinted that Obama would name a new administrator soon, according to participants.

Those who spoke for this article, including a member and staff in Congress, NASA employees, aerospace executives and consultants, spoke only on condition that their names not be used.

Garver’s team is one of dozens of review panels that over the last few weeks have descended on every government agency. Armed with tough questions, they are scrutinizing programs, scouring budgets and hunting for problems that may confront a new president.

Though their job is to smooth the transition between administrations, their arrival also brings a certain level of anxiety, particularly when programs face tough questions, as at NASA.

Said John Logsdon, a George Washington University professor who co-wrote the book honored at the NASA party, "There is a natural tension built into this situation... Mike is dead-on convinced that the current approach to the program is the right one. And Lori’s job is to question that for Mr. Obama. The Obama team is not going to walk in and take Mike’s word for it.”

The Bush White House has pledged cooperation, and many agency leaders have told staff to cooperate fully. Griffin himself sent a memo urging employees “to answer questions promptly, openly and accurately.”

At the same time, he made clear he expected NASA employees to stay on message.

For example, transition-team interviews have been monitored by NASA officials “taking copious notes,” according to congressional and space-community sources. Employees who met with the team were told to tell their managers about the interview.

The tensions are due to the fact that NASA’s human space flight program is facing its biggest crossroads since the end of the Apollo era in the 1970s. The space shuttle is scheduled to be retired in 2010, and the next-generation Constellation rockets won’t fly before 2015.

Nearly four years ago, President Bush brought in Griffin to implement a plan to return astronauts to the moon by 2020 as a prelude to going to Mars. Griffin and his team selected Constellation, with its NASA-designed Ares I rocket and Orion capsule, as cheaper and safer than existing rockets. Constellation – especially Ares 1 -- is the center of what Griffin sees as his legacy to return humans to the frontiers of space.

Griffin has made no secret that he would like to stay on but only, as he recently told Kennedy Space Center workers, "under the right circumstances," including being able to finish Constellation.

But budget problems and technical issues have created growing doubts about the project. Griffin has dismissed these as normal rocket development issues, but they’ve clearly got the transition team’s attention.

When team members arrived three weeks ago, they asked the agency, among other things, to quantify how much could be saved by canceling Ares I. Though they also asked what it would take to accelerate the program, the fact that the team could even consider scrapping the program was enough to spur Griffin and his supporters into action

According to industry officials, Griffin started calling heads of companies working for NASA, demanding that they either tell the Obama team that they support Constellation or refrain from talking about alternatives...
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Re: NASA, Nazis & JFK

Postby MinM » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:23 pm

Monday, June 25, 2012
NASA BRAINWASHING
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Both Barack Obama and Egypt's President Morsi have links to NASA.

NASA has links to CIA brainwashing.

BARACK OBAMA, NASA, SPACE KIDS...

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2012/06/n ... shing.html

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NASA cancels "climate study project" after Thailand delays decision to OK use of key air base


By Associated Press, Updated: Thursday, June 28, 5:04 AM AP

BANGKOK — The United States says it will not be able to carry out a major climate study this year because Thailand has delayed a decision on whether to grant the U.S. space agency permission to use a key naval air base.

NASA’s request to use Thailand’s U-Tapao air base as the project’s operations center has faced opposition from critics who say it could be a cover for military purposes. The base is located in Chonburi province, 190 kilometers (118 miles) southeast of Bangkok.

“It is too early to say at this time whether resources will be available to revisit the project next year,” U.S. Embassy spokesman Walter Braunohler told The Associated Press on Thursday.

The project, called the “Southeast Asia Composition, Cloud, Climate Coupling Regional Study,” was to use satellites, aircraft and ground missions to study how air circulation during the monsoon affects the climate and air quality in South and Southeast Asia.

Thai scientists involved in the project were skeptical that NASA would pursue its mission in Thailand next year.

“It’s a great loss for Thailand to lose a vital opportunity to learn what we should know about regional climate, including floods, drought and other catastrophes,” said Serm Janjai, a physics professor at Thailand’s Silpakorn University involved in the project. “But what is more important is it has destroyed confidence in Thailand among the international science community. Someone has to take responsibility for this failure.”

NASA said it canceled the mission Tuesday “due to the absence of necessary approvals by regional authorities in the time frame necessary to support the mission’s planned deployment and scientific observation window,” according to the project’s website.

Thailand’s Cabinet had agreed Tuesday to have lawmakers debate the issue before deciding on whether to grant permission for the project. However, Parliament does not reconvene until Aug. 1 — a month after NASA’s deadline for a decision.

U-Tapao was a major base for U.S. bombing missions during the Vietnam War, and some critics have charged that the NASA project is a threat to Thai sovereignty and that it might also anger China. The U.S. military has continued to use the base for refueling and as a staging area for humanitarian relief operations, including those conducted after the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami and Myanmar’s 2008 Cyclone Nargis.

The NASA project would have studied carbon emissions in the region in August and September, when regional monsoons could carry wildfire smoke from Indonesia and Malaysia north to countries such as Thailand.

Critics of the project include nationalists and the opposition Democrat Party. There have been allegations, unsupported by evidence, that the project would be a cover for U.S. military and intelligence activities. NASA and scientists supporting the project have pointed out in rebuttal that its details were openly available.

Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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Re: NASA, Nazis & JFK

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:18 pm

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Re: NASA, Nazis & JFK

Postby lupercal » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:22 am

MinM wrote:
Monday, June 25, 2012
NASA BRAINWASHING
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Both Barack Obama and Egypt's President Morsi have links to NASA.


So our glorious Arab Spring dumped Mubarak and replaced him with Muslim Brother Morsi who happens to be a NASA scientist and Cal State Northridge professor with two California-born children who happen to be US citizens:

Mohammed Morsi: Egypt's accidental president
Issandr El Amrani
Jun 25, 2012

Mohammed Morsi, Egypt's new president, spent his election campaign being derided as "the spare tyre" - a reference to his being the backup choice to the Muslim Brotherhood strongman Khairat Al Shater. As he trailed in the polls until a week before elections began, many said he had no charisma and would have a hard time making it to the second round of elections. But Mr Morsi had the last laugh. . . .

He spent his student years at Cairo University, from whose prestigious engineering faculty he graduated in 1975, at a time when the revival of the Islamist trend in student politics - encouraged by Sadat against the left - was in full swing.

He graduated to stints as an assistant professor of engineering at California State University, Northridge and at Nasa, where he worked on the development of space shuttle engines (while his speciality is in metallurgical engineering, in a sense Egypt's new president is a rocket scientist).

Returning to Egypt in 1985 - two of his five children were born in California and are entitled to US citizenship - Mr Morsi accepted a teaching position at Zagazig University, while also rising through the ranks of the Brotherhood, serving on its influential Guidance Bureau.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/mi ... -president


What a small world it is. And I don't think anybody could have predicted that these revolutionaries would take a US rocket scientist and make him president of the country!

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Re: NASA, Nazis & JFK

Postby MinM » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:15 pm

lupercal wrote:
MinM wrote:
Monday, June 25, 2012
NASA BRAINWASHING
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Both Barack Obama and Egypt's President Morsi have links to NASA.


So our glorious Arab Spring dumped Mubarak and replaced him with Muslim Brother Morsi who happens to be a NASA scientist and Cal State Northridge professor with two California-born children who happen to be US citizens:

Mohammed Morsi: Egypt's accidental president
Issandr El Amrani
Jun 25, 2012

Mohammed Morsi, Egypt's new president, spent his election campaign being derided as "the spare tyre" - a reference to his being the backup choice to the Muslim Brotherhood strongman Khairat Al Shater. As he trailed in the polls until a week before elections began, many said he had no charisma and would have a hard time making it to the second round of elections. But Mr Morsi had the last laugh. . . .

He spent his student years at Cairo University, from whose prestigious engineering faculty he graduated in 1975, at a time when the revival of the Islamist trend in student politics - encouraged by Sadat against the left - was in full swing.

He graduated to stints as an assistant professor of engineering at California State University, Northridge and at Nasa, where he worked on the development of space shuttle engines (while his speciality is in metallurgical engineering, in a sense Egypt's new president is a rocket scientist).

Returning to Egypt in 1985 - two of his five children were born in California and are entitled to US citizenship - Mr Morsi accepted a teaching position at Zagazig University, while also rising through the ranks of the Brotherhood, serving on its influential Guidance Bureau.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/mi ... -president


What a small world it is. And I don't think anybody could have predicted that these revolutionaries would take a US rocket scientist and make him president of the country!

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On the other hand .. he's got this going for him.
Egyptian President to expose FBI in 1993 WTC bombing?

m911t | June 30, 2012

Egypt’s new President Mohammed Morsi doesn’t believe the official story of 9/11.

And he apparently also doubts the official story of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

According to ABC News, President Morsi recently said:

“I see banners for Omar Abdel Rahman’s family, and for prisoners arrested according to martial rulings and detainees from the beginning of the revolution…It is my duty to make every effort, and I will beginning tomorrow, to secure their release, among them Omar Abdel Rahman.”

Omar Abdel Rahman, the so-called “blind Sheikh,” was the patsy-in-chief set up to take the blame for the mobbed-up New York FBI office’s bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993. (The FBI also orchestrated the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, according to convicted bomber Terry Nichols.)

Even the New York Times, which led the cover-up of both World Trade Center bombings, cited tapes proving that FBI informant Emad Salem, who created and led the 1993 bombing plot, repeatedly discussed with his FBI handlers the fact that the FBI was responsible for the bombing:

“Do you deny,” Mr. Salem says he told the other agent, “your supervisor is the main reason of bombing the World Trade Center?” Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev did not deny it. - NY Times

Many if not all of the Muslims who were falsely convicted of the FBI’s act of terrorism were obviously innocent. Would Mohammed Salameh really have tried to get his $400 deposit back on the van used in the bombing if he had known about the plot? “Mohammed A. Salameh had returned three times to a Ryder Truck Rental dealer in Jersey City requesting a refund of the $400 cash deposit he had placed on a yellow Ford Econoline van.” – Who Bombed the U.S. World Trade Center? — 1993 Growing Evidence Points to Role of FBI Operative By Ralph Schoenman (published in Prevailing Winds Magazine, Number 3, 1993)

Lynn Stewart, the lawyer for the innocent Muslims framed for the FBI’s act of terrorism, was herself convicted on trumped-up charges in retaliation for her efforts to expose the FBI’s terrorism and frame-up of her clients.

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2012/06 ... c-bombing/


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Re: NASA, Nazis & JFK

Postby hava007 » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:50 pm

I rarely drop in here anymore, but just did, and read this, and WOW.

But on the up side, some NASA brainwashed veterans regained consciousness. On the down side for Egyptians, probably the main line of exporting lab rats from the ME will go through there. Distributory (Sp ?) justice...
WHile I didnt see much sympathy with the Israeli lab rats/trafficked plight, that doesnt mean I wont feel for the victims in Egypt or anywhere else. A lot of other Egyptians, though, will become filthy rich, and some will become famous movie stars provided they are willing to show a playful spirit and expose their nice butts and tits and what not. Egyptian gays are also in for a boost.

WHile, On the Egypt note, I couldnt help noticing that Alice's sudden departure coincides with Xymph's forced leave...and Morsi's appointment. Seems like there are some departmental shifts ...
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Re: NASA, Nazis & JFK

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:06 pm

From the link:

In Barack Obama's memoirs we read:

"One of my earliest memories is of sitting on my grandfather's shoulders as the astronauts from one of the Apollo missions arrived at Hickam Air Force Base...

"I remember the astronauts, in aviator glasses, as being far away, barely visible through the portal of an isolation chamber.

"But Gramps would always swear that one of the astronauts waved just at me and that I waved back."

What is Little Obama doing in a NASA isolation chamber?


That is a reading comprehension failure of developmentally disabled proportions. Damn yo.
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Re: NASA, Nazis & JFK

Postby lupercal » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:25 am

hava007 wrote:I rarely drop in here anymore, but just did, and read this, and WOW.

But on the up side, some NASA brainwashed veterans regained consciousness. On the down side for Egyptians, probably the main line of exporting lab rats from the ME will go through there. Distributory (Sp ?) justice...
WHile I didnt see much sympathy with the Israeli lab rats/trafficked plight, that doesnt mean I wont feel for the victims in Egypt or anywhere else. A lot of other Egyptians, though, will become filthy rich, and some will become famous movie stars provided they are willing to show a playful spirit and expose their nice butts and tits and what not. Egyptian gays are also in for a boost.

WHile, On the Egypt note, I couldnt help noticing that Alice's sudden departure coincides with Xymph's forced leave...and Morsi's appointment. Seems like there are some departmental shifts ...


hiava great to see you here again! :thumbsup Yes interesting isn't it? And predictable. In fact I predicted it the day after they bombed that Coptic church in Alexandria two Christmases ago: Subject: Egyptian church bomb blast kills 21

And sure enough, Morsi hasn't wasted any time pledging to 1) help the Syrian "people," read, support the US-UK mercenaries terrorizing Syria like they terrorized Libya, Tunisia, and of course Egypt, and 2) to maintain "international" treaties, meaning agreements with Israel about who knows what, for which he's been rewarded with manna from Wall Street, i.e. 3) huge gains in Egyptian "markets":
So far, so good for Egypt but economic reform set for delay
Jul 1, 2012

Markets have so far reacted favourably to the victory of the Muslim Brotherhood's Mohammed Morsi in Egypt's first post-revolution presidential elections. The near 13 per cent rise by the EGX30 Index - since the result was announced - reflects relief that the political process prevailed. . . .

http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalco ... -for-delay

Yes, the political process prevailed, meaning banksters are ready to start raking in their billions and the camera crews can move on, and let's talk about those reforms another time. Plus ça change ...
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Re: NASA, Nazis & JFK

Postby elfismiles » Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:57 am

:rofl:

Well said gentlemen. Well said.

lupercal wrote:What a small world it is. And I don't think anybody could have predicted that these revolutionaries would take a US rocket scientist and make him president of the country!

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Wombaticus Rex wrote:From the link:

In Barack Obama's memoirs we read:

"One of my earliest memories is of sitting on my grandfather's shoulders as the astronauts from one of the Apollo missions arrived at Hickam Air Force Base...

"I remember the astronauts, in aviator glasses, as being far away, barely visible through the portal of an isolation chamber.

"But Gramps would always swear that one of the astronauts waved just at me and that I waved back."

What is Little Obama doing in a NASA isolation chamber?


That is a reading comprehension failure of developmentally disabled proportions. Damn yo.



And ...

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood Call For New 9/11 Investigation
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2301/979 ... ation.html
http://911blogger.com/news/2012-06-24/e ... estigation


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It4v1EHK-MI

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Re: NASA, Nazis & JFK

Postby hava007 » Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:46 pm

sorry to disappoint, this is not a return, just an incidental visit. the revolution still means that the USA is shifting policy in the region, so the drama is still real and important. I would still imagine that its a beneficial change, for Egypt in terms of how much the USA will invest there. Given the limited alternative in reality, this is not all bad. Better than russians/chinese IMHO. But there's a lot to be done about the Nasa-nazi methods, still part of the US tool box. One would hope there are better ways to apply political power.

Just watched "the divide" yesterday, and before that 'the grey" and before that "Brazil" (the old classic). people can be shitful. but I also watched "Safe house" and had a good laugh. so...c'est la vie. Enjoy the conversations without me. I guess that the Nasa-Nazi nexus will always bring me back . I found this website/board while googling "colonia dignidad" years ago...apparently this is still the issue I am looking at, and not finding rest, but this board is also somewhat spooky, so its not the right direction, but it still has information.

Cheers and happy independence days for the north americans of sorts.


lupercal wrote:
hava007 wrote:I rarely drop in here anymore, but just did, and read this, and WOW.

But on the up side, some NASA brainwashed veterans regained consciousness. On the down side for Egyptians, probably the main line of exporting lab rats from the ME will go through there. Distributory (Sp ?) justice...
WHile I didnt see much sympathy with the Israeli lab rats/trafficked plight, that doesnt mean I wont feel for the victims in Egypt or anywhere else. A lot of other Egyptians, though, will become filthy rich, and some will become famous movie stars provided they are willing to show a playful spirit and expose their nice butts and tits and what not. Egyptian gays are also in for a boost.

WHile, On the Egypt note, I couldnt help noticing that Alice's sudden departure coincides with Xymph's forced leave...and Morsi's appointment. Seems like there are some departmental shifts ...


hiava great to see you here again! :thumbsup Yes interesting isn't it? And predictable. In fact I predicted it the day after they bombed that Coptic church in Alexandria two Christmases ago: Subject: Egyptian church bomb blast kills 21

And sure enough, Morsi hasn't wasted any time pledging to 1) help the Syrian "people," read, support the US-UK mercenaries terrorizing Syria like they terrorized Libya, Tunisia, and of course Egypt, and 2) to maintain "international" treaties, meaning agreements with Israel about who knows what, for which he's been rewarded with manna from Wall Street, i.e. 3) huge gains in Egyptian "markets":
So far, so good for Egypt but economic reform set for delay
Jul 1, 2012

Markets have so far reacted favourably to the victory of the Muslim Brotherhood's Mohammed Morsi in Egypt's first post-revolution presidential elections. The near 13 per cent rise by the EGX30 Index - since the result was announced - reflects relief that the political process prevailed. . . .

http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalco ... -for-delay

Yes, the political process prevailed, meaning banksters are ready to start raking in their billions and the camera crews can move on, and let's talk about those reforms another time. Plus ça change ...
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Re: NASA, Nazis & JFK

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:01 am

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: NASA, Nazis & JFK

Postby MinM » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:06 pm

Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Did Obama quietly engineer the latest Egyptian coup?

When the Muslim Brotherhood came to power in Egypt, they bent over backwards to placate Washington. They said, more-or-less, the required things about Israel, and they promised to work with the United States. Nevertheless, it soon became clear that the government of Mohammed Morsi was losing the people -- at least, the people of Cairo. (Egypt presents us with one of those sticky situations in which the capital city and the rest of the nation sometimes act like two different countries.)

The protesters in the streets believed that the Obama administration favored Morsi until the end. But Al Jazeera suggests a very different scenario...

Documents obtained by the Investigative Reporting Program at UC Berkeley show the US channeled funding through a State Department programme to promote democracy in the Middle East region. This programme vigorously supported activists and politicians who have fomented unrest in Egypt, after autocratic president Hosni Mubarak was ousted in a popular uprising in February 2011...

Washington's democracy assistance programme for the Middle East is filtered through a pyramid of agencies within the State Department. Hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars is channeled through the Bureau for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor (DRL), The Middle East Partnership Initiative (MEPI), USAID, as well as the Washington-based, quasi-governmental organisation the National Endowment for Democracy (NED).


A long time ago, William Blum identified the NED as a "trojan horse" for the CIA...

This piece from last year contains a lot of nonsense, but it does reference a surprisingly accurate prediction ascribed to Elliott Abrams.

Elliot Abrams and other spokesmen for AIPAC and the Zionist lobby argue that Shafik's victory next month is not necessarily something Israel and the West should favour or work to arrange.

Abrams writes: 'If the Muslim Brotherhood's Mursi wins and he will, the Muslim Brotherhood will be in charge - and be forced to deliver. And when they fail, as they will, given Israel's key friends in the international business community, it will be absolutely clear who was to blame and this is good for Israel.'" ...


http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2013/07/ ... atest.html

lupercal » Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:22 am wrote:
MinM wrote:
Monday, June 25, 2012
NASA BRAINWASHING
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Both Barack Obama and Egypt's President Morsi have links to NASA.


So our glorious Arab Spring dumped Mubarak and replaced him with Muslim Brother Morsi who happens to be a NASA scientist and Cal State Northridge professor with two California-born children who happen to be US citizens:

Mohammed Morsi: Egypt's accidental president
Issandr El Amrani
Jun 25, 2012

Mohammed Morsi, Egypt's new president, spent his election campaign being derided as "the spare tyre" - a reference to his being the backup choice to the Muslim Brotherhood strongman Khairat Al Shater. As he trailed in the polls until a week before elections began, many said he had no charisma and would have a hard time making it to the second round of elections. But Mr Morsi had the last laugh. . . .

He spent his student years at Cairo University, from whose prestigious engineering faculty he graduated in 1975, at a time when the revival of the Islamist trend in student politics - encouraged by Sadat against the left - was in full swing.

He graduated to stints as an assistant professor of engineering at California State University, Northridge and at Nasa, where he worked on the development of space shuttle engines (while his speciality is in metallurgical engineering, in a sense Egypt's new president is a rocket scientist).

Returning to Egypt in 1985 - two of his five children were born in California and are entitled to US citizenship - Mr Morsi accepted a teaching position at Zagazig University, while also rising through the ranks of the Brotherhood, serving on its influential Guidance Bureau.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/mi ... -president


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Re: NASA, Nazis & JFK

Postby MinM » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:52 am

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Did the “Deep State” Sabotage Morsi?
Max Read 7/11/13 8:28am Yesterday 8:28am

It's been a week since Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi was removed from power by the military, and something odd has happened: There aren't any lines for gas, and electric power is consistently on.

Fuel shortages and power cuts have stopped abruptly in the wake of Morsi's departure (and disappearance), and the police are back patrolling the streets, leading Morsi supporters in the Muslim Brotherhood and elsewhere to accuse Egyptian elites and functionaries of the old regime of undermining the Islamist leader during his brief time in office, the Times reports:

“This was preparing for the coup,” said Naser el-Farash, who served as the spokesman for the Ministry of Supply and Internal Trade under Mr. Morsi. “Different circles in the state, from the storage facilities to the cars that transport petrol products to the gas stations, all participated in creating the crisis.” [...]

When Mr. Mubarak was removed after nearly 30 years in office in 2011, the bureaucracy he built stayed largely in place. Many business leaders, also a pillar of the old government, retained their wealth and influence. Despite coming to power through the freest elections in Egyptian history, Mr. Morsi was unable to extend his authority over the sprawling state apparatus, and his allies complained that what they called the “deep state” was undermining their efforts at governing.

Not only did security forces and bureaucrats hold back on providing services during the year Morsi was in power, Egyptian elites served to sponsor, fund and advise the mass movement that sought to remove him. Billionaire Naguib Sawiris "donated use of the nationwide offices and infrastructure of the political party he built... [and] provided publicity through his popular television network and his major interest in Egypt’s largest private newspaper"; former judges and legal experts helped the movement craft legal strategy.

None of which is to say that Morsi was a good president, whatever that might mean in the circumstances, nor to imply that the movement that called on the army to seize control didn't have mass support. He was by most accounts a difficult head of government, disinclined to compromise or to reach out to his political and ideological opponents, and the counterfactual in which the Egyptian state apparatus worked at its full capacity, preventing or abating the economic trouble and social turmoil that led to his loss of support and power, can be met with one in which Morsi himself acted as a better diplomat to that apparatus, and the Egyptian elite, and gained their trust and support.

Neither happened, obviously. There was (probably) never a "conspiracy," of the smoky-back-room variety, to undermine and remove Morsi—just capital, social and economic, and the widespread, deeply rooted bureaucracy of the Egyptian state, resisting a president it mistrusted, and a party it had always hated, in the only way it knew how.

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elpuma » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:57 pm wrote:Professor Scott, as your work is not as widely known as it ought to be in French-speaking countries, could you please start by defining what “Deep politics” is, and explain the distinction between what you call the “Deep state” and the “Public state”?

Peter Dale Scott: The term “Deep state” comes from Turkey. They invented it after the wreck of a speeding Mercedes in 1996 in which the passengers were a Member of Parliament, a beauty queen, a local senior police captain, and an important drug trafficker in Turkey who was also the head of a criminal paramilitary organization – the Grey Wolves – that went around killing people. And it became very obvious in Turkey that there were a covert relationship between the police who officially were looking for this man – even though a policeman was there with him in the car – and these people who committed crimes on behalf of the state. The state that you commit crimes for is not a state that can show its hand to the people, it’s a hidden state, a covert structure. In Turkey, they called it the Deep state, [1] and I had been talking about deep politics for a long time so I used the term in The Road to 9/11. This is why I have defined deep politics as all those political practices and arrangements, deliberate or not, which are usually repressed rather than acknowledged. So the term “Deep state” – coming from Turkey – is not mine.

It refers to a parallel secret government, organized by the intelligence and security apparatus, financed by drugs, and engaging in illicit violence, to protect the status and interests of the military against threats from intellectuals, religious groups, and occasionally the constitutional government. In this book, I adapt the term somewhat to refer to the wider interface in America between the public, the constitutionally established state, and the deep forces behind it of wealth, power, and violence outside the government. You might call it the back door of the Public state, giving access to dark forces outside the law. The analogy with Turkey is not perfect, because what we see today in America is less a parallel structure than a wide zone or milieu of interaction between the public state and unseen dark forces, as I expound in my latest book The American War Machine. But this interaction is significant, and we need a name, such as Deep state, to describe it...

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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:07 am

Exclusive: US bankrolled anti-Morsi activists
Documents reveal US money trail to Egyptian groups that pressed for president's removal.
Emad Mekay Last Modified: 10 Jul 2013 13:29

Egyptian protesters tear down the US flag during a demonstration at the US Embassy in September 2012 [EPA]
Berkeley, United States - President Barack Obama recently stated the United States was not taking sides as Egypt's crisis came to a head with the military overthrow of the democratically elected president.

But a review of dozens of US federal government documents shows Washington has quietly funded senior Egyptian opposition figures who called for toppling of the country's now-deposed president Mohamed Morsi.

Documents obtained by the Investigative Reporting Program at UC Berkeley show the US channeled funding through a State Department programme to promote democracy in the Middle East region. This programme vigorously supported activists and politicians who have fomented unrest in Egypt, after autocratic president Hosni Mubarak was ousted in a popular uprising in February 2011.

The State Department's programme, dubbed by US officials as a "democracy assistance" initiative, is part of a wider Obama administration effort to try to stop the retreat of pro-Washington secularists, and to win back influence in Arab Spring countries that saw the rise of Islamists, who largely oppose US interests in the Middle East.


Activists bankrolled by the programme include an exiled Egyptian police officer who plotted the violent overthrow of the Morsi government, an anti-Islamist politician who advocated closing mosques and dragging preachers out by force, as well as a coterie of opposition politicians who pushed for the ouster of the country's first democratically elected leader, government documents show.

Make a road bump with a broken palm tree to stop the buses going into Cairo, and drench the road around it with gas and diesel. When the bus slows down for the bump, set it all ablaze so it will burn down with all the passengers inside … God bless.

Omar Afifi Soliman, US-funded anti-Morsi activist

Information obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, interviews, and public records reveal Washington's "democracy assistance" may have violated Egyptian law, which prohibits foreign political funding.

It may also have broken US government regulations that ban the use of taxpayers' money to fund foreign politicians, or finance subversive activities that target democratically elected governments.

'Bureau for Democracy'

Washington's democracy assistance programme for the Middle East is filtered through a pyramid of agencies within the State Department. Hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars is channeled through the Bureau for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor (DRL), The Middle East Partnership Initiative (MEPI), USAID, as well as the Washington-based, quasi-governmental organisation the National Endowment for Democracy (NED).

In turn, those groups re-route money to other organisations such as the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute (NDI), and Freedom House, among others. Federal documents show these groups have sent funds to certain organisations in Egypt, mostly run by senior members of anti-Morsi political parties who double as NGO activists.

The Middle East Partnership Initiative - launched by the George W Bush administration in 2002 in a bid to influence politics in the Middle East in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks - has spent close to $900m on democracy projects across the region, a federal grants database shows.

USAID manages about $1.4bn annually in the Middle East, with nearly $390m designated for democracy promotion, according to the Washington-based Project on Middle East Democracy (POMED).

The US government doesn't issue figures on democracy spending per country, but Stephen McInerney, POMED's executive director, estimated that Washington spent some $65m in 2011 and $25m in 2012. He said he expects a similar amount paid out this year.

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Colonel Omar Afifi's June 18, 2013 Facebook post

Colonel Omar Afifi's March 7, 2013 Facebook post

Excerpt From List of NED Grants, 2011

Excerpt From NED 2009 Annual Report

Excerpt of NED's 2010 tax return
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A main conduit for channeling the State Department's democracy funds to Egypt has been the National Endowment for Democracy. Federal documents show NED, which in 2011 was authorised an annual budget of $118m by Congress, funneled at least $120,000 over several years to an exiled Egyptian police officer who has for years incited violence in his native country.

This appears to be in direct contradiction to its Congressional mandate, which clearly states NED is to engage only in "peaceful" political change overseas.

Exiled policeman

Colonel Omar Afifi Soliman - who served in Egypt's elite investigative police unit, notorious for human rights abuses - began receiving NED funds in 2008 for at least four years.

During that time he and his followers targeted Mubarak's government, and Soliman later followed the same tactics against the military rulers who briefly replaced him. Most recently Soliman set his sights on Morsi's government.

Soliman, who has refugee status in the US, was sentenced in absentia last year for five years imprisonment by a Cairo court for his role in inciting violence in 2011 against the embassies of Israel and Saudi Arabia, two US allies.

He also used social media to encourage violent attacks against Egyptian officials, according to court documents and a review of his social media posts.

US Internal Revenue Service documents reveal thatNED paid tens of thousands of dollars to Soliman through an organisation he created called Hukuk Al-Nas (People's Rights), based in Falls Church, Virginia. Federal forms show he is the only employee.

After he was awarded a 2008 human rights fellowship at NED and moved to the US, Soliman received a second $50,000 NED grant in 2009 for Hukuk Al-Nas. In 2010, he received $60,000 and another $10,000 in 2011.

In an interview with the Investigative Reporting Program at UC Berkeley, Soliman reluctantly admitted he received US government funding from the National Endowment for Democracy, but complained it wasn't enough. "It is like $2000 or $2,500 a month," he said. "Do you think this is too much? Obama wants to give us peanuts. We will not accept that."


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NED has removed public access to its Egyptian grant recipients in 2011 and 2012 from its website. NED officials didn't respond to repeated interview requests.

'Pro bono advice'

NED's website says Soliman spreads only nonviolent literature, and his group was set up to provide "immediate, pro bono legal advice through a telephone hotline, instant messaging, and other social networking tools".

However, in Egyptian media interviews, social media posts and YouTube videos, Soliman encouraged the violent overthrow of Egypt's government, then led by the Muslim Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party.

"Incapacitate them by smashing their knee bones first," he instructed followers on Facebook in late June, as Morsi's opponents prepared massive street rallies against the government. Egypt's US-funded and trainedmilitary later used those demonstrations to justify its coup on July 3.

"Make a road bump with a broken palm tree to stop the buses going into Cairo, and drench the road around it with gas and diesel. When the bus slows down for the bump, set it all ablaze so it will burn down with all the passengers inside … God bless," Soliman's post read.

In late May he instructed, "Behead those who control power, water and gas utilities."

Soliman removed several older social media posts after authorities in Egypt took notice of his subversive instructions, court documents show.


Egyptian women supporters of ousted president Morsi [EPA]
More recent Facebook instructions to his 83,000 followers range from guidelines on spraying roads with a mix of auto oil and gas - "20 liters of oil to 4 liters of gas"- to how to thwart cars giving chase.

On a YouTube video, Soliman took credit for a failed attempt in December to storm the Egyptian presidential palace with handguns and Molotov cocktails to oust Morsi.

"We know he gets support from some groups in the US, but we do not know he is getting support from the US government. This would be news to us," said an Egyptian embassy official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to speak to the media.

Funding other Morsi opponents

Other beneficiaries of US government funding are also opponents of the now-deposed president, some who had called for Morsi's removal by force.

The Salvation Front main opposition bloc, of which some members received US funding, has backed street protest campaigns that turned violent against the elected government, in contradiction of many of the State Department's own guidelines.

A longtime grantee of the National Endowment for Democracy and other US democracy groups is a 34-year old Egyptian woman, Esraa Abdel-Fatah, who sprang to notoriety during the country's pitched battle over the new constitution in December 2012.

She exhorted activists to lay siege to mosques and drag from pulpits all Muslim preachers and religious figures who supported the country's the proposed constitution, just before it went to a public referendum.

The act of besieging mosques has continued ever since, and several people have died in clashes defending them.

Federal records show Abdel-Fatah's NGO, the Egyptian Democratic Academy, received support from NED, MEPI and NDI, among other State Department-funded groups "assisting democracy". Records show NED gave her organisation a one-year $75,000 grant in 2011.

We were told by the Americans that if we see big street protests that sustain themselves for a week, they will reconsider all current US policies towards the Muslim Brotherhood regime.

Saaddin Ibrahim, Egyptian-American politician opposed to Morsi


Abdel-Fatah is politically active, crisscrossing Egypt to rally support for her Al-Dostor Party, which is led by former UN nuclear chief Mohamed El-Baradei, the most prominent figure in the Salvation Front. She lent full support to the military takeover, and urged the West not call it a "coup".

"June 30 will be the last day of Morsi's term," she told the press a few weeks before the coup took place.

US taxpayer money has also been sent to groups set up by some of Egypt's richest people, raising questions about waste in the democracy programme.

Michael Meunier is a frequent guest on TV channels that opposed Morsi. Head of the Al-Haya Party, Meunier - a dual US-Egyptian citizen - has quietly collected US funding through his NGO, Hand In Hand for Egypt Association.

Meunier's organisation was founded by some of the most vehement opposition figures, including Egypt's richest man and well-known Coptic Christian billionaire Naguib Sawiris, Tarek Heggy, an oil industry executive, Salah Diab, Halliburton's partner in Egypt, and Usama Ghazali Harb, a politician with roots in the Mubarak regime and a frequent US embassy contact.

Meunier has denied receiving US assistance, but government documents show USAID in 2011 granted his Cairo-based organisation $873,355. Since 2009, it has taken in $1.3 million from the US agency.

Meunier helped rally the country's five million Christian Orthodox Coptic minority, who oppose Morsi's Islamist agenda, to take to the streets against the president on June 30.

Reform and Development Party member Mohammed Essmat al-Sadat received US financial support through his Sadat Association for Social Development, a grantee of The Middle East Partnership Initiative.

The federal grants records and database show in 2011 Sadat collected $84,445 from MEPI "to work with youth in the post-revolutionary Egypt".

Sadat was a member of the coordination committee, the main organising body for the June 30 anti-Morsi protest. Since 2008, he has collected $265,176 in US funding. Sadat announced he will be running for office again in upcoming parliamentary elections.

After soldiers and police killed more than 50 Morsi supporters on Monday, Sadat defended the use of force and blamed the Muslim Brotherhood, saying it used women and children as shields.

Some US-backed politicians have said Washington tacitly encouraged them to incite protests.

"We were told by the Americans that if we see big street protests that sustain themselves for a week, they will reconsider all current US policies towards the Muslim Brotherhood regime," said Saaddin Ibrahim, an Egyptian-American politician opposed Morsi.

Ibrahim's Ibn Khaldoun Center in Cairo receives US funding, one of the largest recipients of democracy promotion money in fact.

His comments followed statements by other Egyptian opposition politicians claiming they had been prodded by US officials to whip up public sentiment against Morsi before Washington could publicly weigh in.

Democracy programme defence

The practice of funding politicians and anti-government activists through NGOs was vehemently defended by the State Department and by a group of Washington-based Middle East experts close to the programme.


Symbolic coffins for the more than 50 people killed Monday [EPA]
"The line between politics and activism is very blurred in this country," said David Linfield, spokesman for the US Embassy in Cairo.

Others said the United States cannot be held responsible for activities by groups it doesn't control.

"It's a very hot and dynamic political scene," said Michelle Dunne, an expert at the Atlantic Council think-tank. Her husband, Michael Dunne, was given a five-year jail sentence in absentia by a Cairo court for his role in political funding in Egypt.

"Just because you give someone some money, you cannot take away their freedom or the position they want to take," said Dunne.

Elliot Abrams, a former official in the administration of George W. Bush and a member of the Working Group on Egypt that includes Dunne, denied in an email message that the US has paid politicians in Egypt, or elsewhere in the Middle East.

"The US does not provide funding for parties or 'local politicians' in Egypt or anywhere else," said Abrams. "That is prohibited by law and the law is scrupulously obeyed by all US agencies, under careful Congressional oversight."

But a State Department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity, said American support for foreign political activists was in line with American principles.

"The US government provides support to civil society, democracy and human rights activists around the world, in line with our long-held values, such as respecting the fundamental human rights of free speech, peaceful assembly, and human dignity," the official wrote in an email. "US outreach in Egypt is consistent with these principles."

A Cairo court convicted 43 local and foreign NGO workers last month on charges of illegally using foreign funds to stir unrest in Egypt. The US and UN expressed concern over the move.

Out of line

Some Middle East observers suggested the US' democracy push in Egypt may be more about buying influence than spreading human rights and good governance.


Egyptians celebrate in Tahrir Square after Morsi's removal [AFP]
"Funding of politicians is a problem," said Robert Springborg, who evaluated democracy programmes for the State Department in Egypt, and is now a professor at the National Security Department of the Naval Postgraduate School at Monterey, California.

"If you run a programme for electoral observation, or for developing media capacity for political parties, I am not against that. But providing lots of money to politicians - I think that raises lots of questions," Springborg said.

Some Egyptians, meanwhile, said the US was out of line by sending cash through its democracy programme in the Middle East to organisations run by political operators.

"Instead of being sincere about backing democracy and reaching out to the Egyptian people, the US has chosen an unethical path," said Esam Neizamy, an independent researcher into foreign funding in Egypt, and a member of the country's Revolutionary Trustees, a group set up to protect the 2011 revolution.

"The Americans think they can outsmart lots of people in the Middle East. They are being very hostile against the Egyptian people who have nothing but goodwill for them - so far," Neizamy said.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: NASA, Nazis & JFK

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:15 am

Well, as long as we're wandering down synchromystic lanes, may I recommend some Knowles?

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Said "Masonic Martyr" being, of course, Gus Grissom.
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