A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby American Dream » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:21 am

http://nycantifa.wordpress.com/2014/07/ ... ist-loser/

W.A.S.P. Guitarist Blames ‘N***er Music’ For His Lack of Fans

crossposted from our comrades at One People’s Project


HOW ‘BLACK CULTURE’ CHASED FORMER W.A.S.P. GUITARIST OUT OF AMERICA
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ImageIn an interview with the metal website Riff Metal Mag, Chris Holmes, a former member of the 1980s metal band W.A.S.P., says he left America and will never return because hip hop and black culture ruined opportunities for heavy metal to flourish.

“Well, unless you’re the opposite of me — a hip-hop artist or a rapper — you won’t sell in America anymore,” he said in the videotaped interview during Hellfest 2014 last month in Clisson, France. “There’s no rock magazines anymore. The black culture has really… The black culture has taken hip hop to white… The white culture and all the kids act like that; they wear their pants down. I think it’s… I’m not 100 percent sure, but I when they go to school and they listen to hard rock, it’s called ‘pussy music.’ [They are told] ‘You need to listen to gangster rap.’ I think that’s what it is.”

Earlier in the interview, Holmes, 56, said that he sold all of his belongings in his native California and relocated to Cannes, France. “I left in February, L.A., I left — gone,” he said. “I don’t plan on going back. I’m gone. I ain’t going back to America… At all. I left. Gone, History. I sold everything I had there. I left my dog there. I’m gonna send for him.”

This was not the first time that Holmes has ranted against hip hop and the way it changed the musical landscape. In an interview with a Russian metal site, he was even more offensive in his rant against the music, and in particular whites who adopt the culture. “Yeah, it sucks!” he said to Headbanger.ru. “It’s so called nigger music. I’ll say that word, I don’t care if niggers are in the room or not to get my opinion, that’s the way it is. Rap is just starting to hit Europe, and it kind of makes me sick, because I don’t like it when kids act like niggers.”

Holmes joined W.A.S.P. In 1982 and played with them until 1990, only to return in 1996, performing with them until 2001. Once married to metal guitarist Lita Ford, he is best known for his scene in Penelope Spheeris’s documentary The Decline of Western Civilization II: The Metal Years, where he sat in a pool drinking vodka while his mother sat poolside.


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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:57 am

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What is the point of posting this on RI?
To raise awareness that there are idiots out there with mildly idiotic views?

I'm quite certain that wouldn't be a revelation to anyone here.

So then: to what end? For what purpose?
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby American Dream » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:46 am

The connections to other parts are important:


antifa notes (july 21, 2014)

SYDNEY

In Sydney, RASH Sydney has organised a counter-protest in Marrickville.


Racist scum are trying to intimidate & drive out religious minorities from Marrickville, while promoting white nationalism.

They have decided to target the Marrickville Woolworths (for the grievous crime of wishing its customers ‘Happy Ramadan’) on the 26th July at 11am.

We are standing up against these hateful people to let them know their views are not welcome.

The Patriots Defence League are a newly formed group of people targeting religious freedom & culture. They see themselves as a patriotic, nationalist street movement that are ‘defending our beautiful way of life’. They do this by openly expressing their hatred of all other races and cultures.

This is not about expressing freedom of speech, it’s about causing fear & division. That’s why it must be opposed. They are targeting a religious minority, in exactly the same way Jewish people were targeted in the last century. We oppose this because unless you’re white, straight & Protestant-Christian, you’ll be next …



The ‘Boo Woolworths!’ Patriots will also be joined by the dregs in the Party for Freedom. Note that Martin Fletcher, the Vice Chairman of the Party for Freedom (a splinter from the Australian Protectionist Party, which was in turn a splinter from the Australia First Party), first came to the attention of anti-fascists when he began publishing Nazi and neo-Nazi propaganda on his website, ‘Downunder Newslinks’.


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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby American Dream » Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:15 am

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329

16 July 2014

Ukraine conflict: 'White power' warrior from Sweden

By Dina Newman
BBC News

The appearance of far-right activists, both foreign and home-grown, among the Ukrainian volunteers fighting in east Ukraine is causing unease.

Mikael Skillt is a Swedish sniper, with seven years' experience in the Swedish Army and the Swedish National Guard. He is currently fighting with the Azov Battalion, a pro-Ukrainian volunteer armed group in eastern Ukraine. He is known to be dangerous to the rebels: reportedly there is a bounty of nearly $7,000 (£4,090; 5,150 euros) on his head.

In a telephone conversation from an undisclosed location, Mr Skillt told me more about his duties: "I have at least three purposes in the Azov Battalion: I am a commander of a small reconnaissance unit, I am also a sniper, and sometimes I work as a special coordinator for clearing houses and going into civilian areas."

As to his political views, Mr Skillt prefers to call himself a nationalist, but in fact his views are typical of a neo-Nazi.

"It's all about how you see it," he says. "I would be an idiot if I said I did not want to see survival of white people. After World War Two, the victors wrote their history. They decided that it's always a bad thing to say I am white and I am proud."

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Mikael Skillt in Ukraine

'One stray liberal'
Mr Skillt believes races should not mix. He says the Jews are not white and should not mix with white people. His next project is to go fight for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad because he believes Mr Assad is standing up to "international Zionism".

Not all of Mr Skillt's views are widely shared in the Azov Battalion, which is about 300-strong in total.

He says his comrades do not discuss politics much, though some of them may be "national socialists" and may wear swastikas. On the other hand, "there is even one liberal, though I don't know how he got there", he adds, with a smile in his voice.

Mr Skillt says there is only a handful of foreign fighters in the Azov Battalion and they do not get paid. "They see it as a good thing, to come and fight," he explains. However, Mr Skillt is expecting more foreigners to join soon: he says there is now a recruiter who is looking for "serious fighters" from outside Ukraine.

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Mikael Skillt in Ukraine

The key figures in the Azov Battalion are its commander, Andriy Biletsky, and his deputy, Ihor Mosiychuk.

Andriy Biletsky is also the leader of a Ukrainian organisation called the Social National Assembly. Its aims are stated in one of their online publications:

"to prepare Ukraine for further expansion and to struggle for the liberation of the entire White Race from the domination of the internationalist speculative capital"

"to punish severely sexual perversions and any interracial contacts that lead to the extinction of the white man"


This, according to experts, is a typical neo-Nazi narrative.

'Foreign journalists'
The Azov Battalion was formed and armed by Ukraine's interior ministry. A ministerial adviser, Anton Gerashchenko, got angry when I asked him if the battalion had any neo-Nazi links through the Social National Assembly.

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Azov Battalion fighters parading with the Wolfsangel banner favoured by neo-Nazis

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Young women saying goodbye to Azov Battalion fighters in Kiev last month

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Azov fighters guarding suspected rebels in Mariupol, eastern Ukraine, last month


"The Social National Assembly is not a neo-Nazi organisation," he said.

"It is a party of Ukrainian patriots who are giving their lives while the rich Europeans are only talking about supporting Ukraine. When, may I ask, will English people come here and help us fight terrorists sent by Russia's President [Vladimir] Putin, instead of lecturing us on our moral values or people's political affiliations?"

Mr Gerashchenko was adamant, however, that there were no foreign citizens fighting in the Azov Battalion.

Neo-Nazis are as dangerous as pro-Russia extremists in Eastern Ukraine”

Anton Shekhovtsov
Expert on far right in Europe


"There are foreign journalists, from Sweden, Spain and Italy, who have come to report on the heroic achievements of the fighters in their struggle against terrorism," he said.

He insisted he had never heard of Mikael Skillt, the Swedish sniper.

Ukraine is a democratic state, which held a democratic election in May, where the far right and nationalist parties got hardly any votes. These views are not popular with the electorate.

But Anton Shekhovtsov, a prominent expert on far-right and neo-Nazi movements in Europe, believes the Ukrainian government should be clear about whom it is arming to fight for Ukraine's democratic cause.

"It is a pressing concern, especially with regards to the anti-terrorist operation," he said. "In my view, the war against pro-Russia separatists is the war for democratic values. Neo-Nazis are as dangerous as pro-Russia extremists in eastern Ukraine."
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby jakell » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:53 am

I said I'd return briefly to this when the death throes of the BNP became a bit more apparent:

jakell » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:08 pm wrote:1.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&p=534778#p534778
2.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=465#p535229
3.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=480#p535369
4.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=495#p535502
5.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=510#p535750
6.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&p=535833#p535833
7.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=660#p536983
8.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=675#p537139
9.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&p=537395#p537395
10) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=690#p537862
11) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&p=538323#p538104
12) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=705#p538427

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Here's the final part of the series I've been doing in this thread. As before I will stick to what I know, the UK situation

I have talked about the subject of British Nationalism, something that, in common with other European Nationalisms, has a degree of incompatability with any global or even pan-European endeavours. For a while, it was definitely something that could have could be used as a foil against the other, but that moment has now passed IMO, there are lessons to be learned from this though, and that is that, in actively combating something, it is not necessary to go to the opposite extremes, in fact it is probably more useful to find things that have similarities.
British nationalism has more or less died with the BNP, and while this party is still gamely struggling on, I would think that it is not long for this world. Now the field is open for white nationalism to take up the slack.

There is still scope for someone to exploit tensions within white nationalism. The contradictions and weaknesses are still there and I've described some of these in detail. From my own perspective in the UK, they seem to have moved their main conversations away from open internet forums and their current strengths and levels of organisation can only be guessed at, unfortunately leaving room for inaccurate speculation. Extrapolating from when they were still fairly open on the BDF, I would say they are still struggling to find a useful centre, and are still relying on societal collapse to provide them with opportunities. As this is a likelihood in the next few decades, this one strategy may pay off for them, even if everything else fails.

One thing I've stressed repeatedly here is not to imagine a monolithic WN culture across different countries and continents. Even though they wish for and project this, not many of their 'intelligencia' see it as a practical avenue in the short to medium term, therefore, anyone who wishes to oppose them would be wise not to buy into this belief. It would be really nice to hear from someone who can report objectively about how this scene plays out in their part of the world (the Vermont thread is a good example), as for me, I'm pretty much done with the endeavour for now. When the BNP finally closes it doors I may find a bit to say, but I can't imagine that there will be much more to add.


On July 21st, Nick Griffin announced his retirement from the position of Chairman of the party. this is not Earth-shaking news as the party is at present insignificant, contrary to careless impressions raised on this thread. It does however represent an end of an era in British Nationalism and raises the question of "where to next?". I expect for the BNP it means further decline and then extinction at some point.

As I've pointed out in the above pieces, the 'future' seems to lie in White Nationalism, the exact trajectory of which, in Britain at least, I've been having trouble tracing of late (also due to a change in focus, so it's partly my fault). I have however picked up some trails on the 'Western spring' website lately which is at least something more concrete than my previous unfounded speculations.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby American Dream » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:22 am

Making Things Worse: The Jewish Defense League’s Strategy

18 JUL

The clashes that erupted following the pro-Palestinian demonstration on July 13 in Paris are the result of the JDL’s – and those supporting them – strategy of making things worse. In the week preceding the demo, members of the JDL had announced on Twitter that they would hold a rally in support of Israel in front of the Synagogue located rue de la Roquette on that same day, just a very short distance from where pro-Palestinians would be marching . The messages that were posted on social media leave no doubt that the JDL was willingly taunting and threatening pro-Palestinian demonstrators.


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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby American Dream » Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:16 pm

http://louisproyect.org/2014/07/25/the- ... sm-canard/

The anti-Semitism canard
— louisproyect

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Israel right-wing protesters attack left-wing activists after they protested in central Tel Aviv against the Israeli attack on Gaza, July 12, 2014.


A Google search on “Gaza”, “protests” and “anti-Semitism” produces a jaw-dropping 5,300,000 results. Among them, you can findthe Daily Mail, a British tabloid, reporting:

Jewish people are being attacked and abused on the streets of Germany as though the country were back in the Nazi era, political and religious leaders warned yesterday.

Escalating violence between Israel and Hamas in Gaza has prompted a disturbing rise in anti-Semitism in Europe in the last few days.

Murderous slogans dating back to the days of Hitler have been chanted at pro-Palestinian rallies in Germany. Jewish-owned shops were attacked and burned in riots in France at the weekend.

The Israeli ambassador to Germany, Yakov Hadas-Handelsman, said: ‘They pursue the Jews in the streets of Berlin… as if we were in 1938.’


That this sort of thing can be reported while the death toll in Gaza tops 500 strikes me as obscene New York City has about 4 times as many people as Gaza. Can you imagine if bombs and artillery shells had killed 2000 people here in a month? The Zionists direct a lot of their hasbara to New Yorkers, arguing that they should consider what it would feel like if they were being shelled from New Jersey. Since the rockets from Gaza kill nobody, that seems like a piss-poor analogy but what else would expect from a regime drenched in blood and bullshit?

Even more in the spotlight is France, which has experienced the most massive protests against the Israeli blitzkrieg. Vox.net informed its readers:

France has the third-largest Jewish population in the world, after the United States and Israel. It appears to have seen the worst anti-Semitic violence in recent days.

“Eight synagogues in France have been targeted in the past week,” The New York Times reports. Over the July 19-20th weekend, “a radical fringe among pro-Palestinian protesters in the French capital clashed with police, targeting Jewish shops, lighting smoke bombs, and throwing stones and bottles at riot police,” the Times reported.

“They are not screaming ‘death to the Israelis’ on the streets of Paris, ” Roger Cuikerman, head of French Jewish political group CRIF, said. “They are screaming ‘death to the Jews.’”

According to The Independent, a peaceful protest in the northern Paris suburb Saracelles “degenerated” into anti-Semitic violence. “Several cars were burned,” the Independent reported, and “three shops, including a Kosher grocery, were burned and pillaged. A railway station was severely damaged.”


For an alternative take on France, I recommend this article that appears on the Quartiers Libres blog:

In the hours following the skirmish between protesters and JDL members, more messages were posted by JDL members and supporters saying the JDL had acted out of self-defence using only their bare hands against pro-Palestinian thugs, a version that is fully inconsistent with the many pictures and videos of the scene that were widely circulated by independent media websites and militants.

The JDL is banned in the USA and in Israel on account of its extremism and explicit racism. In France, where it is legal, the organisation is regularly guilty of taunts and attacks, as was the case only the week before, when they targeted a rally in support of Gaza. On July 13, by jeopardizing the safety of people gathered in a Synagogue, the JDL has shown it’s now moving on to a new tactical step. Yet although the street fight outside the Synagogue was all over the media, journalists first failed to so much as mention the JDL’s provocations or even the rally itself, sometimes making it sound as though the pro-Palestinian protesters had intentionally planned to attack a Synagogue.

There was never an attack against a Synagogue in previous pro-Palestinian demonstrations, just like there wasn‘t one on July 13: the skirmish broke out in the street between the JDL and antifascist protesters, and there was never an attack on either the Synagogue or the people inside, which all videos shot on that day bring evidence of.

Why didn’t Jewish authorities and non-extremist organizations such as the UEJF condemn the JDL’s rally and why did the police protect the JDL? Could it be that the French authorities are hoping to criminalize pro-Palestinian support?

Ever since I have been involved with the left, I have heard the charge that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are the same.


Beyond that, there is also a tendency to smear African-Americans as anti-Semitic any time they step out of line. When Jesse Jackson’s campaign was gathering steam, they crucified him for referring to New York as “Hymietown” in an unguarded chat with a Black reporter.

When a limousine carrying a Hasidic rabbi ran over a Black child in Brooklyn in 1991, the protests were routinely labeled as anti-Semitic even though they were primarily directed at Jewish privilege. When a troubled Black youth stabbed a rabbinical student, the press howled at the Black community, treating it as if it were bent on genocide. The hysteria paved the way for Mayor Giuliani’s administration that had the deaths of a number of Black men and the torture of Abner Louima to account for.

Stepping back from the immediate furor over Gaza, it would be worthwhile to examine the question of anti-Semitism in a dispassionate and historical materialist fashion.

When I was in the SWP, I developed an understanding of racism quite different from the one I had absorbed growing up in a relatively liberal household and attending an even more liberal college. The issue was not about “intolerance”; it was about institutions that kept Black people in a subordinate position. This included red-lining that made it impossible to get a mortgage in the Black community, white owned businesses in the ghetto that gouged their customers, police brutality, underfunding of primarily Black public schools, etc. In other words, what might be called institutional racism.

There was a time when Jews suffered from institutional racism. At the turn of the century, Jews lived in the slums on the Lower East Side and could easily identified by their Yiddish accent. They suffered from discrimination and poverty on a level that matched that of Blacks or other oppressed groups historically. In Germany they were less oppressed despite the specious arguments of Daniel Goldhagen. It was only the Great Depression and the massive influx of Eastern European Jews into Germany that allowed Hitler to make use of the Jews as a scapegoat.

All that changed after WWII when Jews moved out of the tenements and into the mainstream. The second generation (my mom and dad’s) opened small businesses, went to colleges (most often state universities), lost their Yiddish accent, and even changed their last name to fit in. Bernard Schwartz became Tony Curtis and Issur Danielovitch became Kirk Douglas. If you were fortunate enough to make big bucks on Wall Street, you didn’t even have to change your name.

I strongly urge those who have doubts about this to get their hands on Lenni Brenner’s 1986 “Jews in America Today”. I wish some of it was online but unfortunately the only place to go to get a handle on his analysis is a 2003 article he wrote for CounterPunch titled “The Demographics of American Jews”. He writes:

Why then is the Zionist lobby so powerful when their own scholars write endlessly about the alienation of their youth from the movement? The answer is simple: the Jews are the richest ethnic or religious stratum in the US. Because their standard of living is so high, they are the most educated. Because they are the most educated, they are the most scientific oriented, hence most inclined towards atheism or religious skepticism. But the true believer minority still has an unbelievable amount of money to throw at the politicians.

In 1991, I interviewed Harold Seneker, then the editor of the Forbes 400 list of the richest Americans, for an article in The Nation. I told him that I found Jews, 2.2% of the population, to be about 25% of the 400. He told me that he thought this a success story, both for American capitalism and for the Jews, and that he wanted to write a story on it. But Forbes wouldn’t let him. The then publisher had gone thru the Hitler era, when talking about Jewish money was an anti-Semitic specialty.

This mentality is still common on the left as well, and it is wide spread among elderly Jews. Forbes, much of the left, and old Jews share what must be called a ‘folk Marxist’ mentality. Despite the differences in their politics, they all believe that history repeats itself. Someday there is going to be another 1929 Depression. The capitalists will, once again, call up central casting and get another Hitler to smash the left.

This is fantasy. It’s a projection of the past, and Germany’s past at that, into America’s future. In reality, journalists constantly turn out articles for Zionist publications about how Jewish campaign contributors play a major role in funding both parties and, very rarely, the topic is touched on in the mainstream media. “The Political Future of American Jews,” a1985 American Jewish Congress pamphlet by Seymour Martin Lipset and Earl Raab, declared that “While there have been few reliable statistics on the subject — and some reluctance to gather any — the journalistic and anecdotal evidence is overwhelming that more than a majority of Democratic funds on a national level, and as much as a quarter of Republican funds have come from Jewish sources.” They were referring to private contributions, as was an article in the 1/5/93 NY Times announcing that “Jews contributed about 60 percent of Mr. Clinton’s noninstitutional campaign funds.”

My estimate is that 84 of the latest 400 are Jews. The magazine doesn’t list religious affiliations unless the person involved is distinctive in giving to religious charities, etc. And not all of the Jews are pro-Zionists. Some listees are among the educated disaffiliated we are discussing. But Zionist money is prodigious. James Tisch, chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations isn’t on the list, altho he is CEO of Loews Corp., listed on the Fortune 500 list. But daddy, Laurence, is, at $2 billion, and uncle Preston is worth $2.3 billion. His predecessors at the Conference were Ronald Lauder, $1.8 billion, and Mort Zuckerman, who struggles along with a penny ante $1.2 billion. Chaim Sabon, $1.7 billion, is a University of California regent. Mayhaps he got the job because he gave the Democrats the largest campaign contribution in American history?


If you really care about anti-Semitism in Europe, the place to go is where you would expect it, not in the Paris banlieues but in the neo-Nazi movements that are growing rapidly in a period of economic hardship.

To put things into perspective, the Anti-Defamation League issued a report on anti-Semitics attacks in 2013 that covered the entire world. Not a single death was reported. Most of the incidents were of the sort that turns up in New York routinely, a swastika scrawled on a Synagogue wall or a gravestone overturned. Compare that to the fate of Muslims who face racism and murder every where they look, from Burma to Kashmir.

In the unlikely event that Jews ever become targets of the ultraright again, I would strongly advise my brethren to think twice about whether to align themselves with the POV expressed in the Daily Mail, the tabloid I quoted at the beginning of this article in light of what Wikipedia reports:

[The publisher] Lord Rothermere was a friend of Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, and directed the Mail’s editorial stance towards them in the early 1930s. Rothermere’s 1933 leader “Youth Triumphant” praised the new Nazi regime’s accomplishments, and was subsequently used as propaganda by them. In it, Rothermere predicted that “The minor misdeeds of individual Nazis would be submerged by the immense benefits the new regime is already bestowing upon Germany”. Journalist John Simpson, in a book on journalism, suggested that Rothermere was referring to the violence against Jews and Communists rather than the detention of political prisoners.

Rothermere and the Mail were also editorially sympathetic to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists. Rothermere wrote an article entitled “Hurrah for the Blackshirts” in January 1934, praising Mosley for his “sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine”, and pointing out that: “Young men may join the British Union of Fascists by writing to the Headquarters, King’s Road, Chelsea, London, S.W.”
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:30 pm

jakell » Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:53 pm wrote:I said I'd return briefly to this when the death throes of the BNP became a bit more apparent:

jakell » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:08 pm wrote:1.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&p=534778#p534778
2.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=465#p535229
3.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=480#p535369
4.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=495#p535502
5.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=510#p535750
6.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&p=535833#p535833
7.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=660#p536983
8.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=675#p537139
9.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&p=537395#p537395
10) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=690#p537862
11) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&p=538323#p538104
12) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=705#p538427

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Here's the final part of the series I've been doing in this thread. As before I will stick to what I know, the UK situation

I have talked about the subject of British Nationalism, something that, in common with other European Nationalisms, has a degree of incompatability with any global or even pan-European endeavours. For a while, it was definitely something that could have could be used as a foil against the other, but that moment has now passed IMO, there are lessons to be learned from this though, and that is that, in actively combating something, it is not necessary to go to the opposite extremes, in fact it is probably more useful to find things that have similarities.
British nationalism has more or less died with the BNP, and while this party is still gamely struggling on, I would think that it is not long for this world. Now the field is open for white nationalism to take up the slack.

There is still scope for someone to exploit tensions within white nationalism. The contradictions and weaknesses are still there and I've described some of these in detail. From my own perspective in the UK, they seem to have moved their main conversations away from open internet forums and their current strengths and levels of organisation can only be guessed at, unfortunately leaving room for inaccurate speculation. Extrapolating from when they were still fairly open on the BDF, I would say they are still struggling to find a useful centre, and are still relying on societal collapse to provide them with opportunities. As this is a likelihood in the next few decades, this one strategy may pay off for them, even if everything else fails.

One thing I've stressed repeatedly here is not to imagine a monolithic WN culture across different countries and continents. Even though they wish for and project this, not many of their 'intelligencia' see it as a practical avenue in the short to medium term, therefore, anyone who wishes to oppose them would be wise not to buy into this belief. It would be really nice to hear from someone who can report objectively about how this scene plays out in their part of the world (the Vermont thread is a good example), as for me, I'm pretty much done with the endeavour for now. When the BNP finally closes it doors I may find a bit to say, but I can't imagine that there will be much more to add.


On July 21st, Nick Griffin announced his retirement from the position of Chairman of the party. this is not Earth-shaking news as the party is at present insignificant, contrary to careless impressions raised on this thread. It does however represent an end of an era in British Nationalism and raises the question of "where to next?". I expect for the BNP it means further decline and then extinction at some point.

As I've pointed out in the above pieces, the 'future' seems to lie in White Nationalism, the exact trajectory of which, in Britain at least, I've been having trouble tracing of late (also due to a change in focus, so it's partly my fault). I have however picked up some trails on the 'Western spring' website lately which is at least something more concrete than my previous unfounded speculations.


The BNP is a busted flush. Griffin has no credibility.
The one thing that HAS surprised me in the last few months has been just how "Israel-first" sections of the NI Loyalists are - they were the ones attacking Pali demonstrators in London.

UKIP is very much on the rise, though the quality control of their candidates seems dreadful. Having a colorful character is fine - most Londoners are much more favourably inclined to BoJo than Cameron. However in the case of UKIP, they were a walking PR disaster zone apart from Farage, who I think is an extremely skilled, classless and down to earth political operator. Cameron is trying to tack the Tories to the Right, but most comments I read indicate a complete disillusionment with all three parties. Trouble is, although I think Farage IS a conviction politician
(Cameron and Clegg are establishment - Clegg was sponsored by Leon Brittain and Cameron goes LALALA around the deep state and ignores it, with Milliband from a New Labour of the most Ivory Tower Islington trendie left set - with several of their top members involved in the PIE scandal)
I think Nigel sees a great future for himself as well.


I wonder to what extent the BNP replacement is being discussed and designed in the halls of the Security Services as we speak?
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby American Dream » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:03 pm

Résumé

posted by Richard Seymour


The realpolitik.

Israel will never accept a sovereign Palestinian state in "Judea and Samaria", and opposes the Palestinian unity government.

Israel blamed Hamas for the murder of three Israeli teenagers. It waged war on Hamas in the West Bank on this pretext. Hamas did not murder the three teenagers. Israel stands by its claim.

Hamas fired rockets in reply. Israel waged war by air and then land on Gaza, on this pretext.

Part of Israel's stated mission is to destroy Hamas's military capability. It isn't working.

The other part of Israel's mission is to "downgrade" Hamas's political support. Popular support is the infrastructure of any political movement.

As such, Israel is destroying Gaza's life-support systems. Hospitals, oil depots, the only power station, refugee centres, schools. War on the civilian population. This is the Dahiya doctrine in action.

Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the two regional bulwarks of counter-revolution at the moment, are deep into the planning of this war. By burying Gaza, Israel, the major regional ally of Egypt's dictatorship, might finally bury the remaining embers of the 'Arab Spring'. This is a nexus of power that is full of peril for all democratic and radical forces in the Middle East.

Israel's global allies are rattled by Netanyahu's adventurism, but firm in their fundamental strategic alignment toward the apartheid state.

The EU, as such, condemns deaths on 'both sides', but does not condemn 'both sides'. As ever, only Israel has the right to self-defence. Israel thanked its foreign ministry staff for achieving this result.

But Israel remains concerned about the other side of Europe, the protests and their echo in a growing murmur of official criticism. There is antisemitism, they point out. And certainly, there is. Even with the inventions and bogey men and bad faith invocations of Kristallnacht and the Holocaust, it is hard to miss. But, invoking this threat, Israel demands strict regulations on the format and content of future demonstrations. They want to make up what they're losing in 'soft power' with coercion. Some EU states are already way ahead of them.


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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby elfismiles » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:54 pm

Mika Brzezinski: ‘Keep it Right Here on Morning Jew’
BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff, July 30, 2014 8:47 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA1F8ZhZIxY
MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski is having a tough Wednesday.

After interviewing Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Ron Dermer, Brzezinski said “keep it right here on Morning Jew.”

http://freebeacon.com/culture/mika-brze ... rning-jew/
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby jakell » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:42 pm

Searcher08 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:30 pm wrote:
jakell » Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:53 pm wrote:I said I'd return briefly to this when the death throes of the BNP became a bit more apparent:

jakell » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:08 pm wrote:1.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&p=534778#p534778
2.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=465#p535229
3.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=480#p535369
4.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=495#p535502
5.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=510#p535750
6.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&p=535833#p535833
7.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=660#p536983
8.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=675#p537139
9.) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&p=537395#p537395
10) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=690#p537862
11) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&p=538323#p538104
12) http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22490&start=705#p538427

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13)...

Here's the final part of the series I've been doing in this thread. As before I will stick to what I know, the UK situation

I have talked about the subject of British Nationalism, something that, in common with other European Nationalisms, has a degree of incompatability with any global or even pan-European endeavours. For a while, it was definitely something that could have could be used as a foil against the other, but that moment has now passed IMO, there are lessons to be learned from this though, and that is that, in actively combating something, it is not necessary to go to the opposite extremes, in fact it is probably more useful to find things that have similarities.
British nationalism has more or less died with the BNP, and while this party is still gamely struggling on, I would think that it is not long for this world. Now the field is open for white nationalism to take up the slack.

There is still scope for someone to exploit tensions within white nationalism. The contradictions and weaknesses are still there and I've described some of these in detail. From my own perspective in the UK, they seem to have moved their main conversations away from open internet forums and their current strengths and levels of organisation can only be guessed at, unfortunately leaving room for inaccurate speculation. Extrapolating from when they were still fairly open on the BDF, I would say they are still struggling to find a useful centre, and are still relying on societal collapse to provide them with opportunities. As this is a likelihood in the next few decades, this one strategy may pay off for them, even if everything else fails.

One thing I've stressed repeatedly here is not to imagine a monolithic WN culture across different countries and continents. Even though they wish for and project this, not many of their 'intelligencia' see it as a practical avenue in the short to medium term, therefore, anyone who wishes to oppose them would be wise not to buy into this belief. It would be really nice to hear from someone who can report objectively about how this scene plays out in their part of the world (the Vermont thread is a good example), as for me, I'm pretty much done with the endeavour for now. When the BNP finally closes it doors I may find a bit to say, but I can't imagine that there will be much more to add.


On July 21st, Nick Griffin announced his retirement from the position of Chairman of the party. this is not Earth-shaking news as the party is at present insignificant, contrary to careless impressions raised on this thread. It does however represent an end of an era in British Nationalism and raises the question of "where to next?". I expect for the BNP it means further decline and then extinction at some point.

As I've pointed out in the above pieces, the 'future' seems to lie in White Nationalism, the exact trajectory of which, in Britain at least, I've been having trouble tracing of late (also due to a change in focus, so it's partly my fault). I have however picked up some trails on the 'Western spring' website lately which is at least something more concrete than my previous unfounded speculations.


The BNP is a busted flush. Griffin has no credibility.
The one thing that HAS surprised me in the last few months has been just how "Israel-first" sections of the NI Loyalists are - they were the ones attacking Pali demonstrators in London.

UKIP is very much on the rise, though the quality control of their candidates seems dreadful. Having a colorful character is fine - most Londoners are much more favourably inclined to BoJo than Cameron. However in the case of UKIP, they were a walking PR disaster zone apart from Farage, who I think is an extremely skilled, classless and down to earth political operator. Cameron is trying to tack the Tories to the Right, but most comments I read indicate a complete disillusionment with all three parties. Trouble is, although I think Farage IS a conviction politician
(Cameron and Clegg are establishment - Clegg was sponsored by Leon Brittain and Cameron goes LALALA around the deep state and ignores it, with Milliband from a New Labour of the most Ivory Tower Islington trendie left set - with several of their top members involved in the PIE scandal)
I think Nigel sees a great future for himself as well.


I wonder to what extent the BNP replacement is being discussed and designed in the halls of the Security Services as we speak?


I can't really see there being a BNP replacement as such, they collapsed in such a steady manner that they haven't really left a 'hole', just a number of disillusioned adherents who have divided their energies between various small dysfunctional groups. UKIP may absorb the more moderate of their members but I don't think they will even approach being BNP lite.

I would say that the real and potentially dangerous energies that lay within the NF/BNP have moved away from traditional expressions of British Nationalism and towards their more natural centre of White Nationalism. This seems to have caught up with the times and from what I can see is not really interested in conventional party-style politics for the time being, but in building less centralised movements, with the longer view in mind.
This sort of thing is much harder to follow on a casual basis (as I have been doing) and is really more within the remit of the spooks. Most of the (often vague) noises I've heard connected with this are to found on the 'Western spring' website, and to a lesser degree on 'Majority Rights'.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby American Dream » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:27 am

Jakell, you seem like a model anti-fascist.

There are a few scholarships available for worthy individuals such as yourself to go to the TORCH Antifascist Network’s First Annual Conference in Chicago, the weekend of September 13-14.

Do you want to go?
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby jakell » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:15 am

Only the Americans could talk about such an event (assuming it's for real) without a hint of irony**. either that or it's super-irony that even a Brit can't detect. Admittedly though, my impression of the AF term has become coloured of late by it's risible usage on here.

That's a 'no' BTW.

**Apologies to any who are genuine and worthy in this field, but I've become very cynical.
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby American Dream » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:30 am

Jakell, you are being offered a free visit to the TORCH Antifascist Network’s First Annual Conference in Chicago, the weekend of September 13-14.

You don't want to go?
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Re: A New Europe: Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Nation-State

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:51 am

American Dream » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:30 pm wrote:Jakell, you are being offered a free visit to the TORCH Antifascist Network’s First Annual Conference in Chicago, the weekend of September 13-14.

You don't want to go?


I'm sure the thought of attending NHD2 ("non-hierarchically-designed-and-delivered") interaction-spaces like

"How I CopyPasta'ed more than 200 articles from libcom and no-one noticed except Marcuse"

was hard to resist. :eeyaa

Typical that when a couple of people who live in different parts of the UK add something to the conversation, AD, you just engage in snark.


@jakell
One thing that has surprised me about UKIP is the degree of anti-Muslim and vociferously pro-Israel sentiment I have seen coming from some of the people involved with it. They would be in the same category as the typical US Fox news fan.
UKIP is a strange beast as Farage is very anti-EU and pretty pro-Putin - but also very pro-Israel.
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