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Now, yesterday I ran away from the TD/JB/DE stuff because I didn't want to touch it, but let me try something here.


To start, it seemed like the thesis Dream's End had was that, generally, our culture was being controlled to go in a specific direction. He suggested that the alien abduction phenomena was a cover story for the MK-ULTRA shenanigans.

Personally, I have trouble understanding the need for a cover story, because the mind-control projects are on the history books. But then again, I might be "misunderestimating" the degree to which people need to be passively informed, 20/20 style, rather than just researching a historical topic themselves. And the general theory of disinformation is such that just this morning that, e.g., someone referred to Mark Ames's expose of Rick Santelli's "Tea Party"--which was coordinated and funded by the Koch family (CNBC has just started a small campaign to remove any link between itself and the "Tea Party" garbage)--but someone called Ames's story, as corroborated by CNBC, a "conspiracy theory"! Catching crooks red-handed is a "conspiracy theory" now. It would be like if you taped OJ Simpson dragging two corpses from his house and the defense objected to the evidence on grounds of it being a conspiracy theory, and the objection was sustained. We all know that even calling something a conspiracy theory is a death-kiss. William F. Buckley started to accuse Noam Chomsky of being a conspiracy theorist, and to his credit Chomsky just kept talking over Buckley since he knew where that exercise would have led.

Now I haven't gotten to my point, but I'm about to.

Now, this is just a theory. Rank speculation, "conspiracy" theory save it's not necessarily a conspiracy. "Hoax or conspiracy theory" for certain, though. So, Dream's End starts looking closely at a topic and comes to a conclusion, that the "alien" craze really covers up the acute part of a campaign of mind control, one that involved all manner of abuse that would be fitting for Jonestown. He also suggests--like HMW, but more calmly and believably--that there's a larger cultural mind control project** that is, in some ways, different from all previous cultures' means of generating consensus. I'm not sure if I agree with that latter bit, but still. And then Dream's End runs into the Theresa Duncan/Jeremy Blake fiasco.

Someone--be they a loan hoaxer, a group of hoaxers, the unintentioned internet "researcher" teams, CIA agents, third-generation SRI interns, etc., is actively monitoring and policing the Theresa Duncan paramaterials and discussion, and leaving bread crumbs out, in a ghoulish manner. Cocoaandtruffles's website, even assuming that "Ana Graham" is her real name, has at least one person showing up making comments like "Looks like Natalee" or posing as "Susan Holloway," referencing the same "missing blonde" syndrome. Can we think of another missing (bottle) blonde? Ms. Duncan, maybe? Whoever is maintaining the strange loop has a literary imagination, that's certain.

Having viewed the header image of the Serpo website, I think there may be something to the abduction cover for the MK.

And as a warning, assuming that the standard Duncan/Blake suicide narrative is accurate, it goes to show that no amount of postmodern glibness can protect you from some pretty simple intimidation and gaslighting techniques.

Which gets me to my point. It's a strange attractor and a strange loop. But how does the attractor stay working? Someone maintains it. But let's take a clue from Info-Security guys: Always assume the worst possible scenario. It's a honey-pot. A piece of fly paper.

Which gets to the next point: Who hung the fly paper? It caught Dream's End. In fact, from what I can gather, he was veritably gas-lighted. It isn't hard to do. So, what did DE do that was so worth catching? And was it anyone's intention to catch him? Or just his own neuroses? Check out a line from DE earlier that goes something like (I'm paraphrasing) "movies, books and even bumper stickers are the greatest conspiracy of all time, our culture is being steered and SRI published the manual."

It may just be that DE got fucked with by the same sort of psychopaths that would fuck with people, like the "MySpace Bullies". And his subject matter touched on child abuse, and if you've known anyone who has been abused, they're seriously fucked up individuals--in part, the type of people who might get involved in such a campaign, either for self-aggrandizement or because--maybe--they're being MC'd. I'm not totally comfortable with that conclusion but I'll throw it out there.



Make of all this what you will.

Thoughtful and humane pensee, Nathan. I could see things going along these lines.

Deconstruction drove me mad once, but now it's the post-modernist technique that protects me best.

norton ash wrote:Thoughtful and humane pensee, Nathan. I could see things going along these lines.

Deconstruction drove me mad once, but now it's the post-modernist technique that protects me best.

I love your horse.

nathan28 wrote:Now, yesterday I ran away from the TD/JB/DE stuff because I didn't want to touch it, but let me try something here.


To start, it seemed like the thesis Dream's End had was that, generally, our culture was being controlled to go in a specific direction. He suggested that the alien abduction phenomena was a cover story for the MK-ULTRA shenanigans.

Personally, I have trouble understanding the need for a cover story, because the mind-control projects are on the history books. But then again, I might be "misunderestimating" the degree to which people need to be passively informed, 20/20 style, rather than just researching a historical topic themselves. And the general theory of disinformation is such that just this morning that, e.g., someone referred to Mark Ames's expose of Rick Santelli's "Tea Party"--which was coordinated and funded by the Koch family (CNBC has just started a small campaign to remove any link between itself and the "Tea Party" garbage)--but someone called Ames's story, as corroborated by CNBC, a "conspiracy theory"! Catching crooks red-handed is a "conspiracy theory" now. It would be like if you taped OJ Simpson dragging two corpses from his house and the defense objected to the evidence on grounds of it being a conspiracy theory, and the objection was sustained. We all know that even calling something a conspiracy theory is a death-kiss. William F. Buckley started to accuse Noam Chomsky of being a conspiracy theorist, and to his credit Chomsky just kept talking over Buckley since he knew where that exercise would have led.

Now I haven't gotten to my point, but I'm about to.

Now, this is just a theory. Rank speculation, "conspiracy" theory save it's not necessarily a conspiracy. "Hoax or conspiracy theory" for certain, though. So, Dream's End starts looking closely at a topic and comes to a conclusion, that the "alien" craze really covers up the acute part of a campaign of mind control, one that involved all manner of abuse that would be fitting for Jonestown. He also suggests--like HMW, but more calmly and believably--that there's a larger cultural mind control project** that is, in some ways, different from all previous cultures' means of generating consensus. I'm not sure if I agree with that latter bit, but still. And then Dream's End runs into the Theresa Duncan/Jeremy Blake fiasco.

Someone--be they a loan hoaxer, a group of hoaxers, the unintentioned internet "researcher" teams, CIA agents, third-generation SRI interns, etc., is actively monitoring and policing the Theresa Duncan paramaterials and discussion, and leaving bread crumbs out, in a ghoulish manner. Cocoaandtruffles's website, even assuming that "Ana Graham" is her real name, has at least one person showing up making comments like "Looks like Natalee" or posing as "Susan Holloway," referencing the same "missing blonde" syndrome. Can we think of another missing (bottle) blonde? Ms. Duncan, maybe? Whoever is maintaining the strange loop has a literary imagination, that's certain.

Having viewed the header image of the Serpo website, I think there may be something to the abduction cover for the MK.

And as a warning, assuming that the standard Duncan/Blake suicide narrative is accurate, it goes to show that no amount of postmodern glibness can protect you from some pretty simple intimidation and gaslighting techniques.

Which gets me to my point. It's a strange attractor and a strange loop. But how does the attractor stay working? Someone maintains it. But let's take a clue from Info-Security guys: Always assume the worst possible scenario. It's a honey-pot. A piece of fly paper.

Which gets to the next point: Who hung the fly paper? It caught Dream's End. In fact, from what I can gather, he was veritably gas-lighted. It isn't hard to do. So, what did DE do that was so worth catching? And was it anyone's intention to catch him? Or just his own neuroses? Check out a line from DE earlier that goes something like (I'm paraphrasing) "movies, books and even bumper stickers are the greatest conspiracy of all time, our culture is being steered and SRI published the manual."

It may just be that DE got fucked with by the same sort of psychopaths that would fuck with people, like the "MySpace Bullies". And his subject matter touched on child abuse, and if you've known anyone who has been abused, they're seriously fucked up individuals--in part, the type of people who might get involved in such a campaign, either for self-aggrandizement or because--maybe--they're being MC'd. I'm not totally comfortable with that conclusion but I'll throw it out there.



Make of all this what you will.

Great points.....and to an even bigger point....that includes DE, Jeff, RI and this Forum......

Somewhere within these pages of discussion, or in the pages of Blogs that Jeff has published, a "certain" grain of truth has been established that someone, somewhere does not like one bit and does not like the fact that some here may have become truly informed, maybe not consciously but sub consciously which is the exact same place "they" like to dwell.

I have seen things escalate here in this Forum. From the Private matters that Jeff was encountering in his Life now to obvious subterfuge aimed at not only this Board but Posters within it. Something in here makes people shift in their seat.

If it didn't....this Blog and Forum would just be "another place for tin hat crackpots on the web".....and it's far from that.

Whatever happens......just remember it's not about Jeff, DE, TD, JB, Scientology, RA, SA, MK or anything. It's about becoming informed, your own journey and your own truth.

That's a hard journey to comb the murky depths when others continue to try and muddy the waters.

Penguin wrote

I love your horse.

Kiitos.

Never sell a Finn more than six feet of rope in the springtime. They'll either hang themselves or bring you back a cow.

Zen Northwestern Ontario joke.

nathan28 wrote:

no amount of postmodern glibness can protect you from some pretty simple intimidation and gaslighting techniques.

True enough, but what can help protect you from these dangers?

Understanding the techniques of psychological warfare and information warfare, including the sneakier, more secretive ones, would be helpful.

Knowledge of self, and a clear and centered state of mind are important.

Striking the right balance between openness and paranoia is essential.

Adhering to good principles of discussion and interaction are important also.

Simple techniques of reality-testing, and having some supportive friends who are not immersed in weirdness are invaluable.

I'm sure there's much, much more that can be said on this...

norton ash wrote:Penguin wrote

I love your horse.

Kiitos.

Never sell a Finn more than six feet of rope in the springtime. They'll either hang themselves or bring you back a cow.

Zen Northwestern Ontario joke.

Standing appreciating the rope.
Thanks.

American Dream wrote:nathan28 wrote:

no amount of postmodern glibness can protect you from some pretty simple intimidation and gaslighting techniques.

True enough, but what can help protect you from these dangers?

Understanding the techniques of psychological warfare and information warfare, including the sneakier, more secretive ones, would be helpful.

Knowledge of self, and a clear and centered state of mind are important.

Striking the right balance between openness and paranoia is essential.

Adhering to good principles of discussion and interaction are important also.

Simple techniques of reality-testing, and having some supportive friends who are not immersed in weirdness are invaluable.

I'm sure there's much, much more that can be said on this...

of course. what i'm suggesting is that just the tangential implication that I was involved was enough to get me all worked up, in a low-level way. I was trying to explain it briefly to my fiancee and found that I simply couldn't do so that coherently, not even having written things out--it's meant to be difficult that way--and I don't really give much of a rat's ass about the TD saga.

Part of my frustration, I realized, stemmed from the Ong's Hat-ness of it all, only in this instance, I don't think the Joseph Matheny character is ever going to come out into the open. No win conditions and no clear goals: which are exactly what can keep you spinning in circles.

I think that's part of the program. Whereas with a linear investigation, you amass facts and evaluate them, you evaluate sources and people, etc., and come to a conclusion, someone is literally stringing along the TD saga to sustain it. Returning to Ong's Hat, today, now that Matheny and Hakim Bey aren't running it anymore, you can literally find every single document (save maybe the deleted emails, etc.) about it. It's frozen in time. But someone won't let the TD stuff freeze.

And I'm wondering if that isn't part of the point, if someone isn't trying to get you to realize that, either. It seems, however, to have a pretty harsh learning curve.

Regarding Ong's Hat, which isn't really your topic, I know... but I discovered that, er, thing independently many years ago, and, intrigued by something that didn't seem right, I spent a couple of days clicking around and came (finally) to a site that indicated that the whole thing was sort of a calling card for someone (I don't remember the name but now I assume it was Metheny) who would do it for hire. The site was pretty much a standard professional services site, as far as I can recall. I remember being puzzled -- I didn't see how it could be "monetized" as the marketing folks say. Of course now, it's pretty obvious how it could be, with Google adwords and whatnot, but this was before they developed any of their advertising services, I believe.

Anyway, it looked to me like he was selling his services to the government, which puzzled me even further at the time. Now, it's just kinda scary, rather than puzzling.

Finally, I'd like to mention that I brought up Ong's Hat right at the gestation of Dream's End's ARG exploration in a thread here on RI. I don't recall if it was directly in relation to the Duncan incident, but it was at the same time or immediately before then. I've always felt a little bad about it, wondering if I planted some seed. Then, too, I did encourage DE's idea a bit at the beginning in the original TD thread (although in a "yeah, sure, it could be -- wouldn't surprise me" way, rather than "you're right! go get 'em, Tiger!" way). Later I thought it seemed like people were picking on him for no good reason, so gave him a few more words of encouragement. I obviously didn't know the whole story.

Oh, plus, I want to apologize for getting Dream's End and Seems Like a Dream confused in my mind back then. Not that they or anybody else cares... I post so rarely and with comments of no real consequence that my contributions to the uproar would have been very minor, but I'm just sorry if they did contribute *at all.*

nathan28 wrote:.....
He also suggests--like HMW, but more calmly and believably--that there's a larger cultural mind control project** that is, in some ways, different from all previous cultures' means of generating consensus.
.....

You have a problem with my focus on widespread spook media strategically using the same tactics as marketing and advertising campaigns with nested neurolinguistic priming?

This today-Disney's new "government guinea pigs" movie. Duh.
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... 606#252606

That's not "believable?" It's so obvious since WWII and practically open-source up to the outing of William Casey's psyops resurgence during Reagan and Clinton signing PDD 68 in 1999-
www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/pdd/pdd-68.htm

Cultural mind-control is layered-

mass media for all - hard copy (slow)
demographic target - hard copy (slow)
daily agenda news cycle management - hard copy + broadcast (fast)
real-time internet (fastest)

When a problematic event pops up or develops, the equivalent of psyops Special Forces is tasked to create countermeasures - like sandbagging DreamsEnd, I'm sure.

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:

nathan28 wrote:.....
He also suggests--like HMW, but more calmly and believably--that there's a larger cultural mind control project** that is, in some ways, different from all previous cultures' means of generating consensus.
.....

You have a problem with my focus on widespread spook media strategically using the same tactics as marketing and advertising campaigns with nested neurolinguistic priming?

That's not "believable?" It's so obvious since WWII.

This today-Disney's new "government guinea pigs" movie. Duh.
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... 606#252606

HMW, I think where we differ is on a few matters of scope and details, not on the basic theory: 1. on the scope of the project including every single press release and Hollywood production 2. on the possibility that many things you identify as being part of the Warfare State could have predated it 3. the fact that you think all woo is W.O.O. 4. the possibility that there's an alternative analysis (like, e.g., the "culture studies"/Marxist deconstruction of culture, or a Jungian/Freudian explantion, etc.).

It's simply not possible that EVERY cultural artifact since 1945/1933/1918/whenever is a "CIA" project. You simply refuse to acknowledge that someone like John Wanye is just a pussy (real name "Maryanne" turned to "Marion") living out his masculinity fantasies on film (rhymes with "Mronald Mreagan"), or that his jingoistic chauvanism could have pre-dated WWII. "Jingoism," e.g., is from a British public hall song, "We've got the guns, by jingo," that predates both the CIA and OSS.

Does that mean that millions of dollars aren't being poured into "programming"? Absolutely not. You can actually read memos about "programming values" at the major ad agencies. Who do you think writes those? The CIA, or the million-dollar seneshals of the capitalist overclass? What about both?

And it's also simply not possible that every Grey alien experience is a CIA MK-ULTRA kidnapping by men in gas masks, because there are people who run into the Greys in dreams, etc., without getting probed and don't come to any harm at all. Does that mean it isn't happening that way, too? Of course not. In the 1890s, was MI6 running "fairy abductions?"

I've said it once, I'll say it again, pick up a copy of Finnegan's Wake and read aloud for a little bit.

In fact, your response here shows your own blindness--the OP largely agrees with your theory that the "abduction" thing is a cover for "mind control"!

Finnegans Wake is a work of comic fiction by Irish author James Joyce, which is recognised for its difficulty for the reader and its experimental style.[1][2] Joyce's final work, it was written in Paris over a period of 17 years, and published in 1939, two years before the author's death. The entire book is written in an idiosyncratic language, consisting of multilingual puns and portmanteau words, which attempts to recreate the experience of sleep and dreams.[3] Due to its expansive linguistic experiments, stream of consciousness writing style, literary allusions, free dream associations, and its abandonment of conventions of plot and character construction, Finnegans Wake remains largely unread by the general public.[4]

Im sad to say, that includes me.
Ill read it I swear.

nathan28 wrote:.....
HMW, I think where we differ is on a few matters of scope and details, not on the basic theory:
1. on the scope of the project including every single press release and Hollywood production

The scope? The 60 year history of CIA has been about shaping culture.
THAT is what the Ivy League civilians did better than the War Department force technology.

CIA was outed in 1967 for being a secret Ministry of Safe Culture in Europe. What do you think they do here in the US?
More ex-CIA whistleblowers in the 70s and 80s told us even more about the CIA Ministry of Culture.

Look at the level of control/cooperation during WWII, the Cold War, and the exponential increase from mega-media monopoly...all multiplied by the increased military NEED for recruits post-1973 (draft ended) and preventing anything like 'the sixties.'

COINTELPRO is intentionally embedded in CIA media to sustain divisive stereotypes.
I've also found the W.O.O. industry to be tied to CIA media news cycle management. Very useful for viral marketing and eating up bandwith.

2. on the possibility that many things you identify as being part of the Warfare State could have predated it

"Predated?" So what? That's a significant tool for plausible deniability and social affirmation and marketing.

CIA promotes what it wants to continue/grow and applies vaccimes to what it wants to stop/wither.

Human culture has continuity but elite methods retool with technology.
Post-WWI America totally rejected the Warfare State as an expensive atrocity which is why Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen when propaganda failed to gain support for war. The USG had been trying to convince the public war was inevitable since 1935 to no avail.

This total rejection of war almost set-in again during the late Vietnam War and social movements were decapitated as being threats to National Security. This is why the USG killed Martin Luther King Jr. and many others.

So USG's social engineers who manage culture as a NATIONAL SECURITY project - and you know how National Security trumps all else -
keep retooling and increasing media control to sustain economic war, social cohesion, and prevent awareness/organization to resist.

3. the fact that you think all woo is W.O.O.

Clarification-I think all W.O.O is misspent bandwith since
I've linked lots of it to CIA-Pentagon counterpropaganda campaigns meant to divert or discredit attention at key times or even cloak general topics, like psyops media.

We have HUMAN fascism to deal, not 'ghosts' or 'aliens.'

4. the possibility that there's an alternative analysis (like, e.g., the "culture studies"/Marxist deconstruction of culture, or a Jungian/Freudian explantion, etc.).

But military-intelligence programs of social control are REAL and can't be dismissed just for "an alternative analysis." Add to, don't replace.

It's simply not possible that EVERY cultural artifact since 1945/1933/1918/whenever is a "CIA" project.

Ugh. Totalistic straw man.

You simply refuse to acknowledge that someone like John Wanye is just a pussy (real name "Maryanne" turned to "Marion") living out his masculinity fantasies on film (rhymes with "Mronald Mreagan"), or that his jingoistic chauvanism could have pre-dated WWII.

Do your homework.

John Wayne (and many others) were part of a 1950s Pentagon program to make films that promoted the theme of "Militant Liberty." CIA ran the TV networks and kept the cowboys'n'indians theme going to intentionally condition kidz as Cold Warriors.

In interviews with lots of Vietnam vets who signed up they cite the influence of John Wayne. It worked.

People like John Wayne and Reagan and Spielberg and Lucas and Milius and Hanks...have real attitudes and images that make them willingly participate in psyops media.

You can actually read memos about "programming values" at the major ad agencies. Who do you think writes those? The CIA, or the million-dollar seneshals of the capitalist overclass? What about both?

Yes, both in fascist alliance since WWII.
CIA/USG has been in advertising firms ever since.
Same goals, methods, and perps using synthesis to get a sum greater than the parts.

During the Hollywood Black List years, all hires had to be submitted to Young & Rubicam. Subliminal psyops is in ads all the time.

In fact, your response here shows your own blindness--the OP largely agrees with your theory that the "abduction" thing is a cover for "mind control"!

You didn't know that John Wayne was in a Pentagon psyops program.

Lots of history missing from your viewpoint I'm pointing at to show how previously existing cultural has been shaped more and more by spook culture over the decades in a self-regenerative process.

When you control the lead car, the rest of the train tends to follow.
And the town settles around it and sets their watches to it.
And each generation of kidz learns which side of the tracks to play on.

Another analogy about culture control-
Cows tend to graze with their head down and stay in the pasture and follow beaten paths.
But cowboys put up fences around them and enforce the rules to keep the herd in that pasture and on those paths.

nathan28 wrote:

He also suggests--like HMW, but more calmly and believably--that there's a larger cultural mind control project** that is, in some ways, different from all previous cultures' means of generating consensus.

At risk of stating the obvious once again, it seems to be a question of degree.

The CIA has clearly been engaged in the project of social engineering, and the media is filled with ideas and images deliberately planted there by: corporations, the military, the CIA...and others.

To see this is not to endorse the ubiquity of "keyword hijacking", nor to use some kind of coincidence of images to "prove" the conspiracy in a kind of pretzel logic.

Where's the rigor and nuance?

Now, back to our topic, which is already in progress...

Hugh, will you cite anything? Please. No personal speculation about the latest keyword. I want to see at least a secondary source. Not because I don't believe you, but because as you present it it reads like a third-grade library primer.

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:COINTELPRO is intentionally embedded in CIA media to sustain divisive stereotypes.

COINTELPRO was also created to kill Black leaders (especially when, god forbid, they started setting up ad hoc government in the abandoned parts of the cities) and shatter the Left in America. I'd go so far as to say that was its primary function.

2. on the possibility that many things you identify as being part of the Warfare State could have predated it

"Predated?" So what? That's a significant tool for plausible deniability and social affirmation and marketing.[/quote]

That doesn't mean you get to deny it being the root cause! Some of your ranting about the CIA you should lay at the feet of the Kurgan tribes' fondness for horses and invasions.

Human culture has continuity but elite methods retool with technology.
Post-WWI America totally rejected the Warfare State as an expensive atrocity which is why Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen when propaganda failed to gain support for war. The USG had been trying to convince the public war was inevitable since 1935 to no avail.

You missed out about that whole Hoover memo about the need to establish a consumer society of desire, or on Edward Bernays's militarism-free view that most humans were "stupid" and needed to be told what they wanted

This total rejection of war almost set-in again during the late Vietnam War and social movements were decapitated as being threats to National Security. This is why the USG killed Martin Luther King Jr. and many others.

No disagreement, but again, it was more than just "rejection of war." Watch some of the new clips of the Chicago Riots, and then fast forward to the Scaife funding of the far Right. Society was shaking at its core. SRI penned Changing Images of Man largely in response to this.

So USG's social engineers who manage culture as a NATIONAL SECURITY project - and you know how National Security trumps all else -
keep retooling and increasing media control to sustain economic war, social cohesion, and prevent awareness/organization to resist.

But how much of it is NATIONAL SECURITY and USG and how much of it is simply class struggle? I hate to flog the old Marxist horse but goddamn, you're missing out on the fact that it might not be just "war" and might be our entire economic model which involves war but other things as well.

3. the fact that you think all woo is W.O.O.

Clarification-I think all W.O.O is misspent bandwith since
I've linked lots of it to CIA-Pentagon counterpropaganda campaigns meant to divert or discredit attention at key times or even cloak general topics, like psyops media.

We have HUMAN fascism to deal, not 'ghosts' or 'aliens.'

Fair enough, and again, I don't disagree, but I also don't have a problem with people discussing it when they're level-headed about it. For fuck's sake, if someone wants to talk about a mushroom trip, let them.

4. the possibility that there's an alternative analysis (like, e.g., the "culture studies"/Marxist deconstruction of culture, or a Jungian/Freudian explantion, etc.).

But military-intelligence programs of social control are REAL and can't be dismissed just for "an alternative analysis." Add to, don't replace.

You are on a reification trip. Are they "real"? They don't have a physical nexus for existence, so you can't attack them; instead you form categories based on patterns of action and attack these. Which is acceptable, but those aren't any less real than, e.g., psychoanalytic motives. You gloss over the fact that Wilhelm Reich himself railed against fascism, or that Erich Fromm did as well, or that Adorno tried (and IMO failed) to understand the constellation that lead to the appeal of fascism. Focusing on surface causes doesn't help.

And that's what's at issue. Why is it called a "mindfuck"? Why not just harass DE the old-fashioned way? Why create a a creepy-ass mythology when you could just as well target him with mundane techniques and get the same effect? I'd suggest there is something more than just what you've defined as "REAL" going on.

It's simply not possible that EVERY cultural artifact since 1945/1933/1918/whenever is a "CIA" project.

Ugh. Totalistic straw man.

pot calling the kettle black

You simply refuse to acknowledge that someone like John Wanye is just a pussy (real name "Maryanne" turned to "Marion") living out his masculinity fantasies on film (rhymes with "Mronald Mreagan"), or that his jingoistic chauvanism could have pre-dated WWII.

Do your homework.

John Wayne... make them willingly participate in psyops media.

Fair enough, I thought Wayne would have been on a payroll. We're making progress, though, in that you consider individual agency!

Another analogy about culture control-
Cows tend to graze with their head down and stay in the pasture and follow beaten paths.
But cowboys put up fences around them and enforce the rules to keep the herd in that pasture and on those paths.

I'll kindly submit--WHY do something like what was done to DE, **IF** there was a THEY doing it? I can't find the link right now, but IIRC the Barnum & Bailey Circus, which served in part as a CIA front, for years had their agent connections harassing a historian for the sole reason that he had published the pretty unshocking fact that their founder was bisexual.

Did they dress up as space aliens? No. They read her mail and threw it out, deleted her phone accounts, kept her checks from clearing, etc. So I'll submit: why just gaslight DE when they could actually be damaging him? Nothing he's writing is all that dissimilar from dozens of others.

What makes him so special?