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In the major part of the plan, to obtain weapons for the attack, the defendants dealt with an FBI informant who provided the group “with an inactive missile and inert explosives.”
King said he believed ...
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“Thank God for the NYPD"...he said.
DrVolin wrote:It certainly gives "home grown" a whole new meaning. These aren't so much domestic, as fully domesticated cells.
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Timing.
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=23931
(New 7/7 Report: MI5 and the "fraudster" bombers.)
Good time to recharge the memes of 9/11.
Plus, I'll bet that Air Force One fly-over photo op that terrorized NYC was a primer for this to maximize the effect.In the major part of the plan, to obtain weapons for the attack, the defendants dealt with an FBI informant who provided the group “with an inactive missile and inert explosives.”
Funny, I seem to recall a 1993 incident involving an FBI informant at the World Trade Center that played out rather differently. How confusing!King said he believed ...
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“Thank God for the NYPD"...he said.
Isn't Spielberg...? Nevermind.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/21_05_09_complaint.pdf
DrVolin wrote:It certainly gives "home grown" a whole new meaning. These aren't so much domestic, as fully domesticated cells.
justdrew wrote:one of these days some real terrorists are going to kidnap the first idiot that offers to get them explosives. and then be waiting to intercept the rescue team.
Penguin wrote:DrVolin wrote:It certainly gives "home grown" a whole new meaning. These aren't so much domestic, as fully domesticated cells.
At first glance I thought they busted a home grow op ring...justdrew wrote:one of these days some real terrorists are going to kidnap the first idiot that offers to get them explosives. and then be waiting to intercept the rescue team.
Yeah. Funny no one has done that yet.
Or why hasnt anyone done a citizens arrest of the FBI agent provocateur?
"Hi, I need cops, Ive just arrested a man trying to make me buy explosives and suggesting I throw hand grenades in waste baskets!"
seemslikeadream wrote:Will bama send them to GITMO? I hear it is still open
President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a “preventive detention” system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried, two participants in the private session said.
The discussion, in a 90-minute meeting in the Cabinet Room that included Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and other top administration officials, came on the eve of a much-anticipated speech Mr. Obama is to give Thursday on a number of thorny national security matters, including his promise to close the detention center at the naval base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
Human rights advocates are growing deeply uneasy with Mr. Obama’s stance on these issues, especially his recent move to block the release of photographs showing abuse of detainees, and his announcement that he is willing to try terrorism suspects in military commissions — a concept he criticized bitterly as a presidential candidate.
The two participants, outsiders who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the session was intended to be off the record, said they left the meeting dismayed.
They said Mr. Obama told them he was thinking about “the long game” — how to establish a legal system that would endure for future presidents. He raised the issue of preventive detention himself, but made clear that he had not made a decision on it. Several senior White House officials did not respond to requests for comment on the outsiders’ accounts.
“He was almost ruminating over the need for statutory change to the laws so that we can deal with individuals who we can’t charge and detain,” one participant said. “We’ve known this is on the horizon for many years, but we were able to hold it off with George Bush. The idea that we might find ourselves fighting with the Obama administration over these powers is really stunning.”
The other participant said Mr. Obama did not seem to be thinking about preventive detention for terrorism suspects now held at Guantánamo Bay, but rather for those captured in the future, in settings other than a legitimate battlefield like Afghanistan. “The issue is,” the participant said, “What are the options left open to a future president?”
Mr. Obama did not specify how he intended to deal with Guantánamo detainees who posed a threat and could not be tried, nor did he share the contents of Thursday’s speech, the participants said.
He will deliver the speech at a site laden with symbolism — the National Archives, home to the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Across town, his biggest Republican critic, former Vice President Dick Cheney, will deliver a speech at the American Enterprise Institute.
Mr. Cheney and other hawkish critics have sought to portray Mr. Obama as weak on terror, and their argument seems to be catching on with the public. On Tuesday, Senate Democrats, in a clear rebuke to the White House, blocked the $80 million Mr. Obama had requested in financing to close the Guantánamo prison.
The lawmakers say they want a detailed plan before releasing the money; there is deep opposition on Capitol Hill to housing terrorism suspects inside the United States.
“He needs to convince people that he’s got a game plan that will protect us as well as be fair to the detainees,” said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, who agrees with Mr. Obama that the prison should be closed. “If he can do that, then we’re back on track. But if he doesn’t make that case, then we’ve lost control of this debate.”
But Mr. Obama will not use the speech to provide the details lawmakers want.
“What it’s not going to be is a prescriptive speech,” said David Axelrod, Mr. Obama’s senior adviser. “The president wants to take some time and put this whole issue in perspective to identify what the challenges are and how he will approach dealing with them.”
NY officials honor agents in temple plot foil
May 22, 2009
NEW YORK - Law enforcement agents who helped thwart a suspected New York City terror plot have received special thanks from the city and state.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg on Friday awarded certificates to more than 100 detectives, officers and agents from the FBI, NYPD and state police.
Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly says the amount of people involved shows the scope of the investigation.
Four men were arrested Wednesday and accused of plotting to blow up synagogues and shoot down military planes. They have pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction within the United States and conspiracy to acquire and use anti-aircraft missiles.
NYPD, FBI heros honored after foiling terror plot to bomb Riverdale synagogues
BY Celeste Katz and Corky Siemaszko
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Friday, May 22nd 2009, 1:44 PM
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Mayor Bloomberg, Police Commissioner Kelly and Governor Paterson (center) honor more than 100 law enforcement personnel who had a hand in foiling the plot to bomb synagogues in the Bronx.
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The cops and G-men who busted a gang of homegrown terrorists before they could blow up two Bronx synagogues got a big pat on the back Friday from a grateful city.
"I feel safer in the city today than ever before," Mayor Bloomberg said at a City Hall ceremony to honor the heroes. "They have prevented what could have been a terrible loss of life."
Gov. Paterson called the plot "one of the most heinous crimes that has been [planned] in this city for a long time."
And Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly called the police and FBI response "a textbook example of how a major investigation should be handled."
The kudos came a day after the suspects were ordered held without bail - and branded anti-Semitic would-be killers who dreamed of basking in the glory of their spectacular attacks.
"It's hard to envision a more chilling plot to bring mass murder to a . . . community," said Eric Snyder, an assistant U.S. attorney. "These are people who are eager to bring death to Jews."
Three of the shackled suspects - James Cromitie, 44; David Williams, 28, and Onta Williams (no relation to David), 32 - barely spoke at their Thursday arraignment in White Plains Federal Court.
The fourth man, Haitian immigrant Laguerre Payen, 27, looked dazed when he appeared later.
Cromitie, who recruited the other plotters, decided to bomb the synagogues because Al Qaeda already had brought down the best target the World Trade Center, court papers said.
"I hate those motherf-----s, those f-----g Jewish bastards," he told the informant, court papers revealed. "I would like to get [bomb] a synagogue."
He was itching to watch the devastation he wrought played out over and over again on TV.
"I'm the one who did that," Cromitie congratulated himself after the planned attacks, an informant told cops. "That's my work."
Even though cops called Cromitie the ringleader, Snyder singled out David Williams as the meanest of the bad-news bunch, saying he bragged he'd shoot anyone who tried to stop him.
The suspects, who are charged with conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction and anti-aircraft missiles, did not ask for bail. A judge ordered them held until a hearing on June 6.
The group's diabolical dream was to create "a fireball that would make the country gasp," a law enforcement source said.
The accused terrorists were busted Wednesday night as they planted what they thought was 37 pounds of explosives outside the Jewish center and the Riverdale Temple, two blocks away.
Within seconds, authorities had closed off the normally tranquil street using 18-wheel trucks. Cops and agents swarmed over the black SUV getaway vehicle, broke the windows and yanked the suspects out.
The four also plotted to blow a plane out of the sky at Stewart Air National Guard Base in Newburgh, Orange County, authorities charge.
"These guys were angry, they had intent and they were searching for capacity," a senior federal law enforcement official told the Daily News. But, the official added, they're "not exactly Al Qaeda."
The suspects met at their Newburgh mosque, Masjid al-Ikhlas, sources said, and at least three were jailhouse converts to Islam.
The mosque's spiritual leader denounced the plot and disowned the suspects. "Their plan was un-Islamic," declared Imam Salahuddin Mustafa Muhammad.
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