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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:21 am

Robert Scheer: On Civil Liberties, Obama’s ‘Probably the Worst President We’ve Had’

On civil liberties and transparency, President Obama “makes George W. Bush and Richard Nixon look good by comparison,” Truthdig Editor-in-Chief Robert Scheer told Salon writer Elias Isquith in an interview about Scheer’s new book, “They Know Everything About You: How Data-Collecting Corporations and Snooping Government Agencies Are Destroying Democracy.”

At one point in the interview, Scheer says of Obama’s record on civil liberties, “He’s probably the worst president that we’ve had in our history. ...”

To Isquith’s question, “What made you want to write this book?” Scheer answered:

I think the Internet is the best and worst of worlds. I love it. I edit an Internet publication and it’s been very liberating, and yet it has the seeds of very vicious surveillance and destruction of privacy. I’ve been concerned about this for some time. I think it was 1999 — I worked on a special issue of Yahoo Internet Life — and this is before 9/11 — which was warning that the government was already in the business of mining this data. It seemed to me we were indeed entering a brave new world that we were barely comprehending.

That has accelerated since 9/11 dramatically, not only because the government had license to grab this material in the name of making us safer, but also because computers are faster and the ability to store data has much expanded and the amount that people turn over freely and easily now is astounding. I think I used my thumbprint about 10 times already this morning just trying to make my iPhone 6 Plus work. If any government anywhere in the world had required you to give your thumbprint every time you did anything it would be considered the most invasive totalitarian society. We’ve accepted as normal a degree of intrusion that would have been astounding any time in history, and we do it because we’re thinking in terms of consumer sovereignty as a main expression of our freedom; we want the convenience of picking that restaurant or what-have-you.

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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Nordic » Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:02 am

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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:07 am

Three days to go until Trump's inauguration. Seems like a good time to pay tribute to the Nobel Peace Laureate and his legacy of peace and justice. I didn't start this thread, but I see no poínt in starting a new one.

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According to a Council on Foreign Relations survey, in 2016 alone Obama dropped 26,171 bombs. That is 72 bombs every day. He bombed the poorest people on earth, in Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan. Every Tuesday – reported the New York Times – he personally selected those who would be murdered by mostly hellfire missiles fired from drones. Weddings, funerals, shepherds were attacked, along with those attempting to collect the body parts festooning the “terrorist target”. A leading Republican senator, Lindsey Graham, estimated, approvingly, that Obama’s drones killed 4,700 people. “Sometimes you hit innocent people and I hate that,” he said, but we’ve taken out some very senior members of Al Qaeda.”

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The sycophancy ran like a polluted babbling brook through page after page. “He was a vulnerable figure in many ways…. But the grace. The all-encompassing grace: in manner and form, in argument and intellect, with humour and cool …. [He] is a blazing tribute to what has been, and what can be again… He seems ready to keep fighting, and remains a formidable champion to have on our side… … The grace … the almost surreal levels of grace….”

Nato – led by Obama and Hillary Clinton – launched 9,700 “strike sorties” against Libya, of which more than a third were aimed at civilian targets. Uranium warheads were used; the cities of Misurata and Sirte were carpet-bombed. The Red Cross identified mass graves, and Unicef reported that “most [of the children killed]were under the age of 10”.

Under Obama, the US has extended secret “special forces” operations to 138 countries, or 70 per cent of the world’s population.

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https://newmatilda.com/2017/01/17/john- ... -it-is-us/


On the positive side, Obama did 1) wear some good suits. 2) not have orange hair. 3) not say "pussy" (in public). 4) ...er, help me here.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:20 am

I forgot, he did shut down Guantanamo Bay, as he had promised to. (Didn't he?)
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Nordic » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:23 am

He made liberals feel good about themselves.

In spite of the horrific and traditionally right wing crimes he was guilty of.

And to liberals, feeling good about yourself is priority #1.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:27 am

To be fair, Nordic, don't you think everyone's #1 priority is to feel good about themselves?
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Nordic » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:29 am

Iamwhomiam » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:27 pm wrote:To be fair, Nordic, don't you think everyone's #1 priority is to feel good about themselves?



No.

Of course not.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby km artlu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:17 am

This feeling good about yourself thing is a topic of more importance than may be casually assumed. It's a concept that I have no personal memory of being in use before sometime in the'80s, although it may have first gained currency as the human potential/new age movements gained prominence in the 70s.

It's a pernicious concept in my view and it has contributed to human suffering in the modern developed world. It matters what a person does; what influence they have on events and on the people to whom they are responsible. It matters fuck-all how they feel about themselves.

I'd love to help that very pregnant woman whose car is broken down on the roadside, but I don't want to be late for my self-esteem workshop.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Sounder » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:45 am

To be fair, Nordic, don't you think everyone's #1 priority is to feel good about themselves?


Well that does at least explain why some people are so easily manipulated.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:20 pm

https://off-guardian.org/2017/01/15/the ... ack-obama/

The Beatification of Barack Obama
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“With Barack Obama’s exit the US is losing a saint.” writes Simon Jenkins in the Guardian, whilst Ann Perkins praises his “grace, decency and defence of democracy”. Lola Okolosie rhapsodises on his legacy of “warmth, love, resilience”.

Already the storyline is set – Obama was a good man, who tried to do great things, but was undone by a Republican senate, and his own “sharp intelligence”.

These people, as much as anybody, reflect the cognitive dissonance of the modern press. “Liberals”, to use their own tortured self-descriptor, now assign the roles of good guy and bad guy based purely on aesthetics, convenience and fuel for their vanity. Actions and consequences are immaterial.

For the sake of balance, here is a list of Saint Obama’s unique achievements:

    Obama is the first President in American history to be at war for every single day of an 8 year presidency.

    Obama has carried out 10x more drone strikes than Bush ever did. Every Tuesday a military aide presents Obama with a “kill list”, and the “decent, gracious” Obama picks a few names off a list…and kills them. And their families. And their neighbours. These illegal acts of state-sanctioned murder have killed hundreds of civilians in 5 different countries in 2016 alone. The only reason that number isn’t higher, is that the Obama administration re-classified all males over 18 as combatants, regardless of occupation.

    After declaring he wanted to build a “nuclear free world”, Obama committed to spending $1 TRILLION dollars on rebuilding America’s nuclear weapons.

    Under Obama, the NSA et al. were able to spy on, essentially, the whole world. When this was revealed, not a single intelligence officer or government official was prosecuted. Instead…

    Obama’s administration declared a “war on whistleblowers”, enacting new laws and initiating what they call the “Insider Threat Program”. Manning was prosecuted, Snowden sent into exile and Assange was set-up, discredited and (they hoped) extradited. It has never been more dangerous to be a government whistle-blower, than under Barack Obama

    In terms of foreign policy, despite his press-created and non-sensical reputation as a non-interventionist, American Special Forces are currently operating in over 70% of the world’s 195 countries. The great lie is that, where Bush was a warmonger, Obama has sought to avoid conflict. The truth is that Obama, in the grand tradition of the CIA and American Imperial power, has simply turned all America’s wars into covert wars.

    Before Obama came into office, Libya was the richest and most developed nation in Africa. It is now a hell-hole. Destroyed by war, hollowed-out by corruption. The “liberal” press allow him to agonise over this as his “greatest mistake”, and then gently pardon him for his good intentions. The truth is that Libya was not a mistake, or a misjudgment, or an unforeseen consequence. Libya is exactly what America wanted it to become. A failed state where everything is for sale, a base to pour illegal CIA weapons south into Africa and east into the ME. When war is your economy, chaos is good for business. When secrecy is your weapon, anarchy is ammunition. Libya went according to plan. A brutal plan that killed 100,000s and destroyed the lives of millions more. Libya, like Iraq, is a neocon success story. Syria on the other hand…

    Syria, probably the word that will follow Obama out of office as “Iraq” did his predecessor, is a total failure. Both of stated intent and covert goals. Where the press will mourn Obama’s “indecisive nature” and wish he’d “used his big stick”, the real story is one of evil incompetence, so great that it would be almost comical…if it hadn’t destroyed an ancient seat of civilisation and killed 100,000s of people. Syria (along with Libya, Iraq, Somalia, Iran and Sudan) was on the list of the 7 countries America intended to destroy, famously “leaked” by General Wesley Clark. After the fall of Libya, Syria was (essentially) surrounded by American military on all sides. Iraq, Israel, Turkey and America operating out of Libya could pour “freedom fighters” into Syria to bring down “the regime”. When that didn’t work they deployed the trusty “WMD” method, to demand “humanitarian intervention”…the Russians saw that off. Then “ISIS” was created by the CIA, as al-Qaida were before them, and their manufactured barbarism was used as a pretext for invasion. The Russians, again, saw to it that this would not happen.

    Perhaps in the hope of distracting Russia from the ME, or perhaps merely as a short-sighted punitive measure, the Obama’s administration next foreign policy target was Ukraine. Victoria Nuland’s own voice proves how much that “color revolution” was an American creation. Ukraine is broke, even more broke than it was, its people starve and freeze through the winter. The new “democratic government” has shelled 10,000 people to death in the East of the country….using American weapons.

    In Yemen, the poorest country in the ME is being bombed to shreds by the richest….again, using American (and British) weapons. Obama’s “defense of democracy” doesn’t extend to criticising, or even discussing, the abhorrent Human Rights record of America’s Saudi Arabian allies, and in an act of brazen hypocrisy, even supported their chairing of the Human Rights Council of the UN.

This is the world Saint Obama has created. Guantanamo is still open, and terrorist “suspects” are still held there without trial or charge (they are probably still tortured). Other “suspects” can be simply declared guilty, and unilaterally executed…anywhere in the world. The NSA and CIA are illegally monitoring the communications of half the world. If any other leader in the world claimed even 1% of this power, they would be decried as “autocratic”, and their country denounced as a “pariah state”.

The Middle-East is ablaze from Libya to Afghanistan, and from Yemen to Turkey. Relations with Russia are as precarious as at any time since WWII, thanks to America’s efforts to break Russia economically and shatter their global influence. There is no sign that America intends to back-down (see the recent red-scare style hysteria in the American press). Likewise America has positioned itself to have a massive conflict with China in the South China Sea. Obama is, in terms of influence, nothing more than a used-car salesman. His job is not to create policy, but to sell neocon ideas to the general public, but his lack of agency cannot excuse his lack of vision or morals. Under Obama’s notional leadership the world has moved to the very brink of self-immolation in the name of protecting American hegemony. Domestically America still crumbles.

He had a nice smile, and a good turn of phrase. He was witty, and cool, and looked good in a suit…but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t just more of the same. He could say the right things, and sound like he meant them, but he was still a monster. As he moves out to pasture, the press will try to spit-shine Obama’s tarnished halo, to try to convince us that he was a good man at heart and that, as politicians go, we can’t do any better.

But yes, we can.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Burnt Hill » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:16 pm

Sounder » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:45 am wrote:
To be fair, Nordic, don't you think everyone's #1 priority is to feel good about themselves?


Well that does at least explain why some people are so easily manipulated.


It also explains things like charity and volunteerism.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Burnt Hill » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:17 pm

km artlu » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:17 am wrote:This feeling good about yourself thing is a topic of more importance than may be casually assumed. It's a concept that I have no personal memory of being in use before sometime in the'80s, although it may have first gained currency as the human potential/new age movements gained prominence in the 70s.

It's a pernicious concept in my view and it has contributed to human suffering in the modern developed world. It matters what a person does; what influence they have on events and on the people to whom they are responsible. It matters fuck-all how they feel about themselves.

I'd love to help that very pregnant woman whose car is broken down on the roadside, but I don't want to be late for my self-esteem workshop.

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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Burnt Hill » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:20 pm

Iamwhomiam » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:27 am wrote:To be fair, Nordic, don't you think everyone's #1 priority is to feel good about themselves?

Yes. Of course it is.
Unfortunately some people feel good about hurting others.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:43 pm

Burnt Hill » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:16 pm wrote:
Sounder » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:45 am wrote:
To be fair, Nordic, don't you think everyone's #1 priority is to feel good about themselves?


Well that does at least explain why some people are so easily manipulated.


It also explains things like charity and volunteerism.


No it doesn't. That is a rightwing canard. "Only the narrowest selfishness is real and true, caring for others is the merest self-flattery and self-deception." Cui bono? (rhetorical question)
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Burnt Hill » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:58 pm

MacCruiskeen » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:43 pm wrote:
Burnt Hill » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:16 pm wrote:
Sounder » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:45 am wrote:
To be fair, Nordic, don't you think everyone's #1 priority is to feel good about themselves?


Well that does at least explain why some people are so easily manipulated.


It also explains things like charity and volunteerism.


No it doesn't. That is a rightwing canard. "Only the narrowest selfishness is real and true, caring for others is the merest self-deception."

So what motivates someone to be charitable?
And do you accept the Maslow pyramid as a valid representation of human needs?
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