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Dream's End Interviews Jack Sarfatti

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:58 pm
by jingofever

PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:57 am
by Col. Quisp
How very odd. Thanks for the link.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:05 am
by Hugh Manatee Wins
Fascinating. Though corrupt.

Seems to me that CIA experimented with motivating profiled chosen elite youths with variations on a theme to see what would happen.

Some got drugs and hypnosis and some did not.

Mostly experimental but also to see what kind of cults or leadership dynamics developed around their chosen Judas Goats.

This is a win-win for spooks.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:13 pm
by jingofever
The Control of Jack Sarfatti.

Sarfatti is commenting on these posts so you might want to check those out too. Or maybe not.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:00 pm
by Avalon
From one of Sarfatti's footnotes to his Destiny Matrix , quoted by Dream's End:

"My grandfather Murray Jacobson worked for the US Army Quarter Master Corps in lower Manhattan in late 40’s & early 50’s where I used to go and “play” after school and I got to ride around in Army cars talking with officers about my plans to build spaceships to the planets and then to the stars. My grandfather did the driving. This, I speculate, may have a causal connection to my later contact with Breen and the phone calls.

Curiously, John Hersey wrote a novel in the 1950’s called
“The Child Buyer”. “This is a story of an investigation into the activities of Mr. Wissey Jones, a stranger who comes to the town of Pequot on urgent defense His business is to buy for his corporation children of a certain sort, in this case a ten-year-old named Barry Rudd, a budding genius of potentially critical value. A hearing is held and questions are asked: exactly why does Mr. Jones’ company buy children, and will it succeed in buying Barry?”

In another footnote: I mentioned my experience with the alleged conscious computer on the spacecraft from the future in 1953 and Brendan [O’ Regan] said, “Oh yes, I have seen data on several hundred incidents of that kind.” (DM page 46)

Busy little robot!

When I was a kid growing up in a rural area, until about 1958 we were on a party line (5 or 6 phones shared one connection), with a 5 letter/number , this being before we had the 3 number exchanges like BEechwood 4. Were the Sarfattis on a party line too? If so, did anyone ever pick up their phone to see if the line was free, and hear the robot?

Thanks, DE. Guess we can give up any residual slack-jawed/romantic wonder at prophetic robot voices from the future at this point.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:25 pm
by justdrew
back in '92 I was wandering around in San Fransisco... not sure exactly where I was at the time, a fairly large open plaza area, possibly near a university? Anyway, I noticed a payphone ringing near me. Decided to answer it. It was a computer voice! Said it was a computer, I was like, what? why? Who? how?

Here's the weird part, I don't remember what was said or how long we "talked" - I think it was asking some questions, and seemed responsive to my answers, but really, the memory is very hazy. I do know it wasn't trying to sell me anything, it wasn't some kinda early robo-call.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:43 pm
by Wonderflonium
Avalon wrote:...Were the Sarfattis on a party line too? If so, did anyone ever pick up their phone to see if the line was free, and hear the robot?

Sarfatti's mother reportedly took the phone from young Jack at one point when she saw him in a "trancelike" state and told the cold metallic voice to stop calling. It did.

Interestingly, while Jack only remembers one call, his mother recalled him receiving many such calls over a period of weeks.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:04 pm
by justdrew
seems like it could have all been part of some long term longitudinal psych study. Could have been a ring-modulator, they can give a computer sounding voice when it's spoken through

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:53 pm
by chiggerbit
What strikes me about Sarfatti's comments is how immature they sound, as if he had been frozen at age 14, emotionally. Or as if they had, in fact, been written by a 14-year-old.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:58 pm
by chiggerbit
Jesus, did I say 14? I should have said 10. Hey, DE, if you lose him, you could likely hook up with Branton instead.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:11 pm
by jingofever
chiggerbit wrote:Jesus, did I say 14? I should have said 10. Hey, DE, if you lose him, you could likely hook up with Branton instead.

Wow. How do you say 'prima donna' in Italian? Sure, Philip A. Centaur may have killed off Sarfatti's cooperation, but it was almost worth it to see that outburst. And this:

convincingly confusing fake physics gobbledegook

is almost an accurate description of his physics, except for the convincing part. Sarfatti should be flattered. Another description of his physics:

Sarfatti’s paper we regret to say, is unfortunately a potpourri of nonsense Mathematics. The fact that he found endorsers which permitted him to put his article in the arXiv is a preoccupying fact. Indeed, the incident shows that endorsers did not pay attention to what they read, or worse, that there are a lot of people with almost null mathematical knowledge publishing Physics papers replete of nonsense Mathematics…

A careful reading of [Sarfatti's paper] shows that his hypotheses are completely ad hoc assumptions, since in our view no arguments from Physics or Mathematics are given for them. Summing up, we must say that Sarfatti’s claim to have deduced Einstein’s equations as an emergent phenomena is a typical example of self delusion and wishful thinking.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:29 pm
by chiggerbit

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:47 pm
by chiggerbit
I wonder if there's any sort of Mormon thread running through some of these UFO conspiracy theories.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:52 pm
by chiggerbit ... clnk&gl=us

According to Jack Sarfatti, on Friday night, December 6, 2002, "a caller into the Art Bell (radio) show, who claims to have a connection to the military, said a UFO crashed in Iraq in recent years. The U.S. is searching for any public pretext to invade Iraq, but its greatest fear is that Saddam will reverse-engineer the crashed alien spacecraft."

"The craft allegedly crashed during the Gulf War (1990-1991) or more recently (possibly December 1998). This will be Iraq's Roswell. The U.S. is currently reverse-engineering the Roswell craft and fears Saddam's scientists will catch up with or even go beyond the U.S. in one or more areas. These areas of research include zero point, over-ratio or gravimetric tenchology, which would allow for a tremendous advance, allowing Iraq to become a leading power."

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:55 pm
by Bridge It
I hope DE's refusal to remove Philip A. Centaur's comments will not affect his and Jack's facebook relations :roll: