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Nordic wrote:To be serious, I agree 100% with you.

There's also all of this coming out:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/ ... ely-untrue

This documents the upcoming release of a book by a 9/11 Commission Report insider, who says (as the url says) that the official story of 9/11 is almost entirely untrue, and that there was, in fact, a conspiracy to lie about it among the Commission members.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/ ... gh-torture

This details the fact that a great deal of the info in the 9/11 Commission report was obtained through torture and is therefore 100% unreliable.

And:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/ ... fghanistan

Petraues slipped up and admitted there's no more Al Queda in Afghanistan.

I wrote these on Dailykos, three in a row, and got banned for them.

But hey, Michael Jackson got injected with a fatal dose of Demarol! Do NOT look away!

Nordic wrote:Hey, shut up, I'm watching Michael Jackson videos on Youtube.

8bitagent wrote:

Nordic wrote:

Nordic wrote:Hey, shut up, I'm watching Michael Jackson videos on Youtube.

I have to admit, I did end up youtubing some of MJ's early-mid 80's videos and concert footage. Crazy stuff

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pepsified thinker wrote:Hey Nordic,

a funny thing--the DKos link still works, so I read your post there, but the link for Farmer's book (via it's ISBN?) give this response:

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--and the link for Farmer's name took me to an Amazon.com page (here: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0151013764) with this message:

Currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.

but at least the Amazon.com page has a pic of the book, so it's not been completely 'erased' (or whatever):



--hey, maybe it's unavailable because it sold out?

Product Description
The story that John Farmer, Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission, tells is one of monumental bureaucratic failure encompassing our entire government. Farmer exposes "the story behind the story", as the false congressional testimony given by an array of agencies and individuals, as well as misleading reports in the media culminated in the Commission staff's dawning recognition that the public had been seriously misled about what occurred during the morning of the attacks. What emerges with painful, stunning clarity is that "at some level of the government, at some point in time...there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened." The implications of this are profound. And Farmer argues that these lies have prevented real and necessary changes that would make our nation more secure and responsive to subsequent threats and catastrophes--domestic, man-made and natural. Farmer pulls no punches in drawing these conclusions, or making explicit what will have to change to make our nation safe. There is a dispassionate beauty in Farmer's writing and the way in which he allows the facts of this story to unfold. He takes the readers through these terrifying events and revelations with calm, impartial and utterly compelling relentlessness. "The Ground Truth" is the definitive account of all the needs to happen following the tragedy of September 11th.

About the Author
John Farmer served as Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission, where his areas of responsibility included assessing the national response to the terrorist attacks and evaluating the current state of national preparedness for terrorist attacks and natural disasters, he also served as attorney general of New Jersey (1999-2002), as chief counsel to Governor Whitman, and as a federal prosecutor. He recently served as a subject matter/rule of law expert on security to the special envoy for Middle East regional security. He is currently a partner of a New Jersey law form and an adjunct professor of national security law at Rutgers University Law School. His editorials and articles have appeared in "The New York Times" and elsewhere.

Investigators for the 9/11 Commission discover that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has withheld a large amount of documents from it about the day of the attacks and falsely claimed it had provided everything the Commission asked for (see August 2003). The discovery is made on a day when the Commission’s investigators begin interviewing air traffic controllers at centers on the East Coast and in the Midwest. John Farmer, the staffer who leads the Commission’s team dealing with this aspect of its work, is only a few minutes into interviews at the FAA’s Indianapolis Center when he realizes, in the words of author Philip Shenon, “just how much evidence the FAA had held back.” His interviewees tell him that there is “extensive information the Commission has not seen, including tape recordings of conversations between the individual air traffic controllers and the hijacked planes.” He also discovers that what the FAA has provided is merely the “accident package,” rather than the much larger “accident file.” Farmer is “furious” and contacts the Commission’s lawyer in Washington. Asked to explain the situation, the FAA rapidly admits there is other material and, within days, several boxes of new material, including the air traffic control tapes, arrive at the Commission’s offices.

Late October 2003: 9/11 Commission’s Tour of NEADS Facility Suspended over Discrepancies
Several months into its investigation, the 9/11 Commission is already dissatisfied with the Department of Defense (see July 7, 2003).
Recorded Conversations Not Provided to Commission - When its staff take a tour of a Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) facility in Rome, New York, which helped coordinate the air defense on the day of 9/11, the staff enter the operations room, which has “more than 20 banks of operators: some weapons controllers and some flight controllers.” The staff find that the operators’ conversations are always tape-recorded, but the tapes for 9/11 have not yet been sent to the Commission. In addition, according to Commission Chairman Tom Kean and Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton, “there were also discrepancies between things NORAD was telling [the Commission] about their performance on the morning of September 11—things that the agency had stated publicly after 9/11—and the story told by the limited tapes and documents the Commission had received.”
'Egregious' Failure - Upon learning of the existence of the tapes, team leader John Farmer immediately suspends the tour and the interviews and flies to meet Kean in New Jersey. [KEAN AND HAMILTON, 2006, PP. 85-88] Farmer will say that the failure to produce the tapes was “egregious,” as, “Those tapes told the story of the air defense better than anything else that anyone could have given us.”
Subpoena Demanded - Farmer demands that a subpoena be issued to the Pentagon for the tapes. He tells Kean: “Listen, we have to subpoena this stuff. We may not get it, but if we don’t try to get it, how can you explain to the public that we have done our job?” Farmer is aware that it will be difficult to get a subpoena on the Pentagon—“When you’re talking about subpoenaing the DOD, the room goes quiet”—but he decides privately: “I would have quit if we didn’t. I felt we were becoming a laughingstock.” [SHENON, 2008, PP. 204]
Lost Time - Despite opposition from its Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton (see (Late October-Early November 2003)) and, allegedly, its Executive Director Philip Zelikow (see November 5, 2003), the Commission will subpoena NORAD for the tapes (see November 6, 2003). However, according to Kean and Hamilton, this means that “the staff had lost so much time that our hearing on the 9/11 story in the skies was postponed for months. Indeed, the delays from NORAD and the FAA made it highly unlikely that the team could complete its work as scheduled.” [KEAN AND HAMILTON, 2006, PP. 85-88] Chapter 1 of the Commission’s final report will draw heavily on the tapes. [9/11 COMMISSION, 7/24/2004, PP. 1-46]
Contrast with Other Aspects of Investigation - However, the Commission does not make the same effort with all day of 9/11 recordings. For example, it does not even find out which person(s) from the Department of Defense participated in a White House video conference chaired by counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke during the attacks (see (9:10 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [9/11 COMMISSION, 7/24/2004, PP. 36]
Entity Tags: Northeast Air Defense Sector, Lee Hamilton, 9/11 Commission, John Farmer, Thomas Kean
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline

a staggering amount of new evidence is pouring in that the US government has been protecting Saudi Arabia's key role in 9/11, "al Qaeda" blamed attacks and the very infrastructure of al Qaeda/bin Laden network.

From the MAK days of the 80's to the Bosnian jihad to 9/11, Saudi Arabia was very busy financing and secretly growing the bin Laden circus, making sure America protected them and kept those plucky FBI agents from getting too wise. Also the myth that "bin Laden and Saudi Arabia were enemies" nonsense.

Nordic wrote:

I hope this guy doesn't like to fly small planes.

AlicetheKurious wrote:8bitagent said:

a staggering amount of new evidence is pouring in that the US government has been protecting Saudi Arabia's key role in 9/11, "al Qaeda" blamed attacks and the very infrastructure of al Qaeda/bin Laden network.

From the MAK days of the 80's to the Bosnian jihad to 9/11, Saudi Arabia was very busy financing and secretly growing the bin Laden circus, making sure America protected them and kept those plucky FBI agents from getting too wise. Also the myth that "bin Laden and Saudi Arabia were enemies" nonsense.

Oh, I know it's just spitting in the wind, but for my own self-respect I just have to repeat:

1) Saudi Arabia "played a key role" in financing and recruiting on behalf of the CIA's "al Qaeda";

2) Far from there being "a staggering amount" of evidence that "Al Qaeda" had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks other than as the designated and clumsily-framed Arab/Muslim patsies, there is...none. None. None.

3) The USG is covering up the Saudis' role in Al Qaeda because that is part of the deal: the Saudis shut up, and use their financial and political clout to suppress any evidence that would discredit the Official Story, and in exchange, the USG protects the Saudis from any fall-out from said Official Story.

You may go back to the regularly scheduled programming now.

8bitagent wrote:I have to ask you(as Im too curious)...
What are your views of the Egyptian government?
So many activists Ive seen online call it a repressive regime.

Nordic wrote:So they're banning this book here, but keeping it available in Canada? That's sure as hell what it looks like.