JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

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Postby RocketMan » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:42 pm

Mulebone, source...?
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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:47 pm

The excellent book "Dino: Living High in the Dirty Business of Dreams."

I had forgotten about what a powerful book that was, have ordered a replacement.

What a gorgeous fucking closer:

...the American language at last began to fulfill its promise as the world-voice of post-literate mediocrity.
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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby mulebone » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:53 pm

The excellent book "Dino: Living High in the Dirty Business of Dreams."


If I had a Kewpie doll you'd be the winner.

I'm just coming off of a Nick Tosches binge. The Dino book was excellent. Caught me off guard.

If your interested, there's a hell of a lot of Nick Tosches here:

http://wfmuichiban.blogspot.com/2013/05 ... month.html

If you're into early rock n' roll, old r & b, twisted old country, etc., Howie Pyro & crew know their shit.
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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby Elvis » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:25 pm

Carol Newquist » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:19 pm wrote:And, I wonder if Lewis is still a "cunt man" like JFK? Who would lay down with this besides a lonely and blind pet?

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That is really unfair because Jerry Lewis has pulmonary fibrosis and the medicine for it made him bloat up, only temporarily. So, as if it matters, he doesn't look like that any more. Jerry has a wife.


Wombaticus Rex wrote:The excellent book "Dino: Living High in the Dirty Business of Dreams."


Thanks for that!

I've read various bios of Jerry and Dean and will get this one. I have the DVD set of Dean's 1970s TV show, which was/is terrific (have the "Roasts" set too, also fun). Not sure why I'm fascinated by Dean Martin, but he's the real deal. I play his records, too: washing dishes, at parties, etc.
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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:37 pm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsgcXZzu6io

(Why link work but not youtube code? It's Dino singing Sway, what else?)
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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby mulebone » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:38 pm

mulebone, I just got off the horn with Hugh, and he said the whole Camelot thing was keyword hijacking psyops to cover up the fact that JFK Came-A-Lot. I believe it. They knew the word would eventually leak out that JFK was always getting some strange, so they preempted it with Camelot.


I think the bullet to the head was probably the best thing that could have happened to ol' JFK. This way he gets to be a myth instead of just another skeezy president in a long line of skeezy presidents. He gets to be the imaginary catalyst for an imaginary magick ritual instead of a spoiled rich guy who couldn't keep his dick in his pants even though he was married & had little kids. It's funny how the cult that has sprung up around Kennedy's demise rarely discuss the man's total lack of character.

I lost interest years ago. There's just too much BS to wade through & life is too short.

For example, I had read or saw or heard an interview with Noam Chomsky years ago where he mentioned that after the fall of the Soviet Union it was discovered that Kennedy had actually triggered WW3 with his "who's got the bigger pecker" Cuban Missile Crisis standoff with the Soviets.
Evidently the Soviets had given the submarine that was escorting the Soviet ships the order to fire their nuclear missiles. The only thing that prevented nuclear apocalypse was the Soviet sub commander who had refused to carry out the order. So, in Fantasyland, Kennedy is a hero, but in reality, the hero was some nameless sub commander who probably spent his last days buried in some distant Soviet gulag.
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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby Carol Newquist » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:09 pm

That is really unfair because Jerry Lewis has pulmonary fibrosis and the medicine for it made him bloat up, only temporarily. So, as if it matters, he doesn't look like that any more. Jerry has a wife.


Great satire, Elvis. Yeah, he had a wife....and so did JFK. How does that change the fact he was a "cunt man?" If Lewis isn't a "cunt man" any longer because he has pulmonary fibrosis, well, isn't that a crying shame? The book, for which you thanked WR for the title to but not mulebone for the introduction to it with the quote, does not treat Lewis or JFK admirably. Think before you react.
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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby Carol Newquist » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:22 pm

So, in Fantasyland, Kennedy is a hero, but in reality, the hero was some nameless sub commander who probably spent his last days buried in some distant Soviet gulag.


Yeah, I read about that. He avoided the gulag, and yes, he was the unheralded hero, and JFK gets the acolades posthumously. I love it when mythical bubbles get burst.

I'm not sure if you saw this, but it further corroborates that JFK was banging the strange every day, any day. He had his staff going out of their way to find it for him and set it up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/jfk-intern-mimi-alford-shares-story-of-her-affair-with-kennedy-in-new-book-relevant-historian-robert-dallek-says-yes/2012/02/06/gIQAFgF1uQ_blog.html

JFK intern Mimi Alford shares story of her affair with Kennedy in new book. Relevant? Historian Robert Dallek says yes

More than you wanted to know? A new book shares explicit details about a 50-year-old presidential sex scandal between JFK and a White House intern.

“Once Upon a Secret: My Affair with President John F. Kennedy and Its Aftermath,” by Mimi Beardsley Alford, chronicles the 18-month relationship that ended when Kennedy died in 1963. The memoir is getting a lot of advance buzz — including a prime-time NBC interview Wednesday with Meredith Vieira — because of Alford’s credibility and her graphic descriptions of encounters with the dazzling Womanizer-in-Chief, whom she always called “Mr. President” and never kissed on the lips.

Why do we need more salacious details about Kennedy’s sex life? Beyond the prurience, it once again raises legitimate questions about the character of our leaders. “If presidents represent the best of America, then there’s quite a gap between that and their behavior,” historian Robert Dallek told us Monday. “Presidents — all of them — hide things.”

Alford, then 19, had just completed her first year at Wheaton College when she started a job in the White House press office in the summer of 1962. Within days of her arrival, the beautiful young blonde was invited to join the president for an afternoon swim — and later that day, lost her virginity to him in the first lady’s bedroom, according to excerpts published in the New York Post, which snagged an early copy. “I wouldn’t describe what happened that night as making love, but I wouldn’t call it nonconsensual either,” she wrote.

More graphic stuff: Drugs with the president, and the sex act she was urged to perform on presidential aide Dave Powers as JFK watched. Alford tells NBC she should have felt guilty, but didn’t because she was swept up in the Kennedy aura. “I’m not going to say he loved me, but I think he did like me a lot.”

As in most books involving private affairs with public officials, most of the principals in the book are dead. Unlike many of JFK’s rumored encounters, this one has grounding in historic records.

In 2003, Dallek included a passing reference to a “tall, slender, beautiful nineteen-year-old college sophomore” in his acclaimed biography, “An Unfinished Life: John F. Kennedy, 1917–1963.” More details about the intern came via an oral history by Barbara Gamarekian, a former press aide to Kennedy. Mimi, she said, had a “sort of a special relationship with the president. . . the sort of thing that legitimate newspaper people don’t write about or don’t even make any implications about.” Alford kept the affair a secret, but confirmed it in 2003 after reporters tracked her down.

Dallek, who has not read Alford’s book yet, finds her “entirely credible” and the Powers incident “disgusting.” The value of her book is not in the dirty details, he said, but in balancing the historical perception of JFK, who’s become some kind of “rock star, a mythological figure — he’s no longer a real person.”

Dallek told us he originally wrote about Mimi — though in a mere 38 words — because he was interested in the changing social mores of the country. Journalists knew about Kennedy’s adultery but never wrote a thing; 35 years later, no detail of Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky went unreported.

Which is why he found Newt Gingrich’s attack on CNN’s John King for asking about alleged affairs so fascinating — and probably unwise.

“You’re not going to put the genie back in the bottle anymore,” said Dallek. “This has become part of the public discourse.”


This could almost be construed as a pseudo rape. When I was on the horn with Hugh, he told me the AMC Orginal hit series, Mad Men, was created to preempt this book that was just an idea at the time. Makes sense.
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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby mulebone » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:15 am

“I’m not going to say he loved me, but I think he did like me a lot.”


Priceless quote.

So Carol, what's your take on the assassination?

I think the the feminists hired the Mob who subcontracted the CIA who in turn ordered Oswald to ingratiate himself to the Cubans so they'd send some freshly rolled Cuban Magic Bullets that were specially engineered to ejaculate from the very Venus Mound-like grassy knoll thereby avenging the legions of deflowered virgins who were used & abused by President Broken Zipper. I think you'll find, upon careful examination, that this was all encoded into the subtext of every beach movie that featured Eric Von Zipper. Or, as Hugh would say, the Eric Von Zipper character was an early form of keyword hijacking designed to deflect any & all interest away from Kennedy's zipper.
Well Robert Moore went down heavy
With a crash upon the floor
And over to his thrashin' body
Betty Coltrane she did crawl.
She put the gun to the back of his head
And pulled the trigger once more
And blew his brains out
All over the table.
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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby mulebone » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:22 am

BTW Elvis, Jerry also had a wife when he was pronging everything in panties. So did Dean. Carol's right, Tosches book isn't for you. If you found Carol's comment distasteful you'll probably curl into a fetal position when Tosches has Dean referring to Jerry as "that dirty Jew monkey."
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With a crash upon the floor
And over to his thrashin' body
Betty Coltrane she did crawl.
She put the gun to the back of his head
And pulled the trigger once more
And blew his brains out
All over the table.
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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby justdrew » Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:53 am

fyi...

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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby Forgetting2 » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:20 am

Well that Parkland trailer was annoying. Fortunately the movie appears to be tanking, even in it's limited release.
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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby justdrew » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:27 am

Forgetting2 » 19 Oct 2013 01:20 wrote:Well that Parkland trailer was annoying. Fortunately the movie appears to be tanking, even in it's limited release.


yeah, like the SS was really trying hard that day
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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby Carol Newquist » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:00 am

I think the the feminists hired the Mob who subcontracted the CIA who in turn ordered Oswald to ingratiate himself to the Cubans so they'd send some freshly rolled Cuban Magic Bullets that were specially engineered to ejaculate from the very Venus Mound-like grassy knoll thereby avenging the legions of deflowered virgins who were used & abused by President Broken Zipper. I think you'll find, upon careful examination, that this was all encoded into the subtext of every beach movie that featured Eric Von Zipper. Or, as Hugh would say, the Eric Von Zipper character was an early form of keyword hijacking designed to deflect any & all interest away from Kennedy's zipper.


This is priceless. For everything else, there's MasterbationCard.

I think your take is the best explanation I've heard so far. I'll tell you what, a hell of a lot of money's been made off the JFK Assassination Industry that blossomed in the wake of Camealot's demise. I wonder, how many people would have really cared if they received no remuneration for their "valuable" research? I'm betting that the assassination, without the financial rewards of investigating it and creating clever angles, would have been a scantily-explored historical artifact with an insignificant and innocuous cult following. Why must we pay to be disillusioned even more? At least with Hugh, it was free. Not with these JFK Assassination opportunists. Of course, I know, artists have to eat too, therefore we get a former counter-cultural, anti-establishment musician doing Cadillac Commercials. It all falls under the heading of participation in life. We all have to participate until we die, so we might as well go for the gold, and let the best "Man" win.
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Re: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

Postby Elvis » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:27 am

Carol Newquist » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:09 pm wrote:
That is really unfair because Jerry Lewis has pulmonary fibrosis and the medicine for it made him bloat up, only temporarily. So, as if it matters, he doesn't look like that any more. Jerry has a wife.


Great satire, Elvis. Yeah, he had a wife....and so did JFK. How does that change the fact he was a "cunt man?" If Lewis isn't a "cunt man" any longer because he has pulmonary fibrosis, well, isn't that a crying shame? The book, for which you thanked WR for the title to but not mulebone for the introduction to it with the quote, does not treat Lewis or JFK admirably. Think before you react.



Wombat named the book. (Curious remark from someone who usually insists that "it doesn't matter who said it, it's the words that matter.")


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