JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters

[PufPuf93]

RE: UNSPEAKABLE

RI lost an asset when Alice stopped posting.

[JackRiddler]

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I think that about Alice sometimes, but definitely not for her credulous repostings of historical big lies published in committed fascist outlets.

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The Piper article is among the most blatant uses of "find-the-Jew" technique I've ever seen posted here. All actors in the play fall away as inconsequential, only the ones who can be identified as Jews or somehow "Zionist" have agency. The narrative is already written in advance: if an Israeli interest can be found or fabricated, then that necessarily and always was what it was about. It mutilates the well-established evidentiary history of the 1963 coup d'etat by the CIA and the generals. It's a perfect example of "big tent" or let's give equal credence to "alternatives" regardless of the evidence, with the result that the stink of insane "conspiracy theory" falls on any attempt to say anything about the coup, other than official story.

Above I posted John Judge's one major contribution to the RI board:
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... 1#pr414728

Please note of the 22 Warren Commission staff attorneys, fully nine of them were Jewish. Another was married to a Jewish woman. Additionally, several others had known, intimate connections to the Israeli lobby in America.

Is this the same Michael Collins Piper who's a columnist for David Duke's website, as well as Willis Carto's American Free Press?

Why yes, I believe it is.

Thanks for catching that.

This is an anti-fascist board. Propagation of fascist, neo-Nazi and "white pride" causes, including sympathetically linking to sites which advocate such, will not be permitted.

[PufPuf93]

I think so sometimes, but definitely not for that aspect of her work here.

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The Piper article is among the most blatant uses of "find-the-Jew" technique I've ever seen posted here. All actors in the play fall away as inconsequential, only the ones who can be identified as Jews or somehow "Zionist" have agency. The narrative is already written in advance: if an Israeli interest can be found or fabricated, then that necessarily and always was what it was about. It mutilates the well-established evidentiary history of the 1963 coup d'etat by the CIA and the generals. It's a perfect example of "big tent" or let's give equal credence to "alternatives" regardless of the evidence, with the result that the stink of insane "conspiracy theory" falls on any attempt to say anything about the coup, other than official story.

Above I posted John Judge's one major contribution to the RI board:
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... 1#pr414728

Please note of the 22 Warren Commission staff attorneys, fully nine of them were Jewish. Another was married to a Jewish woman. Additionally, several others had known, intimate connections to the Israeli lobby in America.

Is this the same Michael Collins Piper who's a columnist for David Duke's website, as well as Willis Carto's American Free Press?

Why yes, I believe it is.

Thanks for catching that.

This is an anti-fascist board. Propagation of fascist, neo-Nazi and "white pride" causes, including sympathetically linking to sites which advocate such, will not be permitted.

I didn't read much past AlicetheKurious and agree with you. My reference was more to Alice's intellect and knowledge of the Middle East however tilted, especially during the Arab Spring upset of Egypt. Despite my not posting much, think you are aware where I am on these sorts of issues and sources.

[Cordelia]

Kennedy's funeral was held 56 years ago today, the National Day of Mourning. Pretty incredible, 48 hours to plan a State Funeral and also to bring so many dignitaries from all over the world. Ironic, too, implementing security and protection for foreign heads-of-state (including French President de Gaulle, himself no stranger to an assassination attempt) on such short term notice by a country that couldn’t/didn't even protect its own leader.


^^^Openly walking down main avenues?

I do not recall how many days we were off school but was watching the TV (3 channels then, no cable) when Oswald as shot by Rudy. All quite confusing for a young person who had yet tp question much.

It was all a HUGE event wasn’t it? I remember being released from school early on Friday, a classmate who laughed at the news, the long walk home, being glued to the t.v. while drawing pictures of Mrs. Kennedy, her children, the casket, horses, etc..., everybody shouting in disbelief when Oswald was shot. I also remember my father taking me, my brother and my dad’s friend, who drove some distance, to view the casket in the Capitol Rotunda. My father had met Kennedy before and after the election through his job, had been Jacqueline Kennedy’s assigned “dinner partner” at a pre-election formal dinner party and once took my brother (why not me too?) to meet Kennedy in the Oval Office. He gave me a commemorative book on those four days (one that heavily promoted the Oswald-as-shooter legend, published not long after the assassination), and showed me a long-shot picture of the funeral procession, with himself in view, standing with his hand over his heart as the funeral caisson moved past the Capitol Building.

I just watched JFK again after a long time. It is really quite shocking how well it holds up. Garrison's/Costner/Stone's courtroom speech in the finale is an incredibly powerful piece of oratory, and in retrospect, completely trailblazing in 1991. Unreal listening to the US covert operations apparatus so directly and unashamedly dragged in a major motion picture released by Warner Brothers...

I agree; and Kevin Costner really showed his acting chops (esp. the courtroom closing argument). The film’s near perfect imho. No scene wasn’t riveting, though the circa 1700’s debauched costume party scene was pretty over-the-top (but entertaining) and best left for future ‘deleted scenes’ viewing. Where did that idea even come from--was Stone inspired by this photo, purportedly of Clay Shaw?


Clay Shaw at Mardi Gras in the early 1950s, outside Dixie’s Hall of Music. (Photo credit: Jack Robinson Photo, The Jack Robinson Archive, LLC)
https://gonola.com/lgbt-new-orleans/gui ... -clay-shaw

[thrulookingglass]

That little debauched party they had, admittedly not as bad as their 'day job', actually happened. There's pictures of Ferrie dressed up as some Hermes/Icarus like costume, amyl nitrate, the whole deal. I've heard critics poo-poo Oliver's brave film making in regards to JFK, but there's not much embellished in the entire picture. I tell you one thing, there's not many times I stay dry eyed during any repeated viewing of Oliver's masterpiece. I can't think of anyone so bold as to show US soldiers raping Vietnamese children such as he did in Platoon either. Shows you what war is good for.

[RocketMan]

That little debauched party they had, admittedly not as bad as their 'day job', actually happened. There's pictures of Ferrie dressed up as some Hermes/Icarus like costume, amyl nitrate, the whole deal. I've heard critics poo-poo Oliver's brave film making in regards to JFK, but there's not much embellished in the entire picture. I tell you one thing, there's not many times I stay dry eyed during any repeated viewing of Oliver's masterpiece. I can't think of anyone so bold as to show US soldiers raping Vietnamese children such as he did in Platoon either. Shows you what war is good for.

Back in '91, they of course hit JFK from any angle they could, and charges of homophobia were naturally in the arsenal. On the most recent watch I tried to really concentrate as neutrally as I could on how it was depicted. Clay Shaw in life was gay and obviously a bon vivant at the very least. The whole scene must have been pretty overcooked and weird in reality. As outlandish as it seemed to be, I didn't find there to be stuff that was somehow "anti-gay" or hostile towards gays in general. It is even touched upon in the movie that Garrison himself was accused of homophobic motives in his case against Shaw. David Ferrie is portrayed, finally, as a tragic and sympathetic figure.