Psyops is advertising. Social control-based advertising.

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Psyops is advertising. Social control-based advertising.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:35 pm

Psyops is just advertising. It's that simple.

It's the same as Coke vs Pepsi where authority/power is Coke and anything that impedes Coke's market share is Pepsi.
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Postby barracuda » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:48 pm

Your analogy seems flawed, in that the psyop must actually be poised against the general cultural grain - the creativity of individuals, invention, the zeitgeist itself, literary, musical and artistic output, etc., which is orders of magnitude larger in scope than the size any psyop campaign could possibly attain. Maybe it's more like Coke versus water or even all other liquids.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:19 am

barracuda wrote:Your analogy seems flawed, in that the psyop must actually be poised against the general cultural grain - the creativity of individuals, invention, the zeitgeist itself, literary, musical and artistic output, etc., which is orders of magnitude larger in scope than the size any psyop campaign could possibly attain. Maybe it's more like Coke versus water or even all other liquids.


Repeat:
"...anything that impedes Coke's market share is Pepsi."
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Postby barracuda » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:21 am

Yeah, but since in the real market, Pepsi has a smaller share than Coke...

Repeat: it's a shitty analogue. Try again.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:33 am

Psyops is advertising. They are the same damn thing.

People get confused thinking about psyops and don't believe that such things go on or can't imagine how such things are done.

So my point was that power uses the same strategies of advertising visibility to prime the public's brains towards enacting and supporting power's policies.

There are piles of online science articles about reinforcing or interfering with memory recall. That's where the cutting edge cognitive science research is being done.

So look up that stuff instead of echoing Jeff's nonsensical scorn about "rationalist reductionism." As if advertising research didn't exist and wasn't used for national security and not just selling Cheetos.

barracuda wrote:Yeah, but since in the real market, Pepsi has a smaller share than Coke...
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Of course progressive humanists (Pepsi) have a smaller visibility market share than power (Coke)!!

The visibility channels of media have been bought up and co-opted so that both mi-intel and corporations can use them for the same purposes - fleecing the herd.

Commerce and social control are deployed as the same toothpaste - two taste treats on one.
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Re: Psyops is advertising. Social control-based advertising.

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:35 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Psyops is just advertising. It's that simple.

It's the same as Coke vs Pepsi where authority/power is Coke and anything that impedes Coke's market share is Pepsi.




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Postby Perelandra » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:43 am

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Postby barracuda » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:53 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
barracuda wrote:Yeah, but since in the real market, Pepsi has a smaller share than Coke...
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Of course progressive humanists (Pepsi) have a smaller visibility market share than power (Coke)!!

That's entirely accurate. Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck will always have a market share that is much bigger than Peter Dale Scott or Richard Gage.

And you were right about this except from my analogy being flawed and the
"general cultural grain" being "larger". Remember, visibility and mainstream media are entirely different than the real population. That's the point!-
Your analogy seems flawed, in that the psyop must actually be poised against the general cultural grain - the creativity of individuals, invention, the zeitgeist itself, literary, musical and artistic output, etc., which is orders of magnitude larger in scope than the size any psyop campaign could possibly attain.


Play the clown all you want. It just makes your argument look weaker, and you look like a fool.

The psyops you refer to in your writings aren't aimed only at "progressive humanists", or at insignificant cultural figures like Richard Gage. Those just happen to be the figures you find important, but the impact on the world of someone like Peter Dale Scott or Leon Panetta and his entire Langley crew are dwarfed by the cultural contribution of a single individual on the order of Jackson Pollock or Igor Stravinsky.

I know it's painful to you to hear that the core meaning of your years of research is relatively insignificant in a cultural sense outside of the small part of the culture for whom Webster Tarpley or Fletcher Prouty stand as giants, but you know what? It is.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:08 am

barracuda wrote:.....
but the impact on the world of someone like Peter Dale Scott or Leon Panetta and his entire Langley crew are dwarfed by the cultural contribution of a single individual on the order of Jackson Pollock or Igor Stravinsky.

Was that irony? You're pitting Peter Dale Scott's visibility/influence against Rush Limbaugh and Operation Mockingbird and 'Star Wars'? *gasp*
puh-leeze.

And Pollock?!
You do realize that Jackson Pollock's hyped career (CIA-Life Magazine features etc.) was part of a CIA project called the Congress for Cultural Freedom (fueled by Nelson Rockefeller and MOMA) and included displacing socialist realism as exemplified by the anti-fascist Mexican mural movement leaders like David Sequeiros?

That's why the video store shelves have two Pollock decoys to prevent this door to the history of CIA's role as covert Ministry of Culture, one low-brow and one high-brow:
> 'Who the *#% is Jackson Pollock?' and
> 'Who Gets to Call it Art?'
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Postby brainpanhandler » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:14 am

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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:25 am

*A Book Review*
Confessions of an Advertising Man
By David Ogilvy

by Michael C. Gray

October 4, 2006

Confessions of an Advertising Man is included on most "required reading" lists of advertising classics, and has just come back in print.

David Ogilvy is one of the role models of advertising.

A Scotsman, he was expelled from Oxford in 1931. Then he went through a succession of careers – a chef in Paris, a door-to-door salesman, a social worker in the Edinburgh slums, a research associate of Dr. Gallup for the motion picture industry, an assistant to Sir William Stephenson in British Security Co-ordination, and a farmer in Pennsylvania.

Then he founded Ogilvy, Benson & Mather and built it in short order into one of the largest and most respected advertising agencies in the United States.

Confessions of an Advertising Man is the "little red book" of advertising, containing distilled wisdom of years of research, testing and experience.

According to David Ogilvy, new recruits for the agency went through a training program consisting of a "magic lantern" (projected photo slide) show of the basic principles and practices of the agency. Those who weren’t enthusiastically in agreement with the training were invited to leave. The information from those photo slides has been incorporated into this book.

Ogilvy’s philosophy was, "once a salesman, always a salesman." Advertising that doesn’t sell a product or service is worthless. He avoided having company ads submitted for artistic awards. Winning one would be an embarrassment.

He was an able copywriter, and some of his ads became classics. (See reprints in his other book, Ogilvy On Advertising.) Two of his famous headlines were "At 60 miles an hour the loudest noise in this new Rolls-Royce comes from the electric clock" and "The man in the Hathaway shirt".

Ogilvy also emphasized the importance of research in creating effective ads. He felt his experience working with Gallup contributed as much to his success as his selling experience.

Since Ogilvy’s goal was for the agency’s advertising to be effective at selling, he admired and studied direct response advertisers, who test and measure everything and whose companies live or die based on the effectiveness of their ads.

Ogilvy discusses every aspect of the advertising business as it was in 1963 – How to Manage an Agency, How to Get and Keep Clients, How to Build Great Campaigns, How to Write Potent Copy, How to Make Good Television Commercials, How to Work Your Way to the Top. If you don’t care about the other topics, you should definitely read How to Be a Good Client. (Leave our stuff alone!)

David Ogilvy infused this book with his warm character, showing the gentle humor of a true English gentleman. He passed away in 1999 at age 88, and is greatly missed.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:34 am

The role and tactics of psyops is clearly spelled out in:

> US Army Field Manual FM 33-1, Psychological Operations
> US Army Field Manual 100-20 Military Operations in Low Intensity Conflict

If you aren't reading these documents, you're reduced to guessing.
Military culture, national security culture, does...not...fuck...around.

Black propaganda (source misrepresented) has been the purview of CIA since it was created.

This includes many advertising firms like Young & Rubicam which enforced the Hollywood blacklist system until John Henry Faulk legally challenged it in 1962.

Lots of advertising and PR firms have been doing CIA work along with publishing, Hollywood, academia, etc.

When all these assets are managed individually plus sometimes coordinated to support fascism and discredit anti-fascism, it is hard to impossible for a Peter Dale Scott or Richard Gage to compete. Progressive culture has been systematically marginalized for eons. Even Jesus had a rough time and now social science has locked in a critical threshold of social control to both achieve goals and allow enough dissent to validate power with the illusion of balance.

Even Bush supporters were mislead into thinking that he supported policies they did but he didn't really. That's psyops power, the ability to mislead your own supporters with calculated lies.
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Semantic Priming is the game.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:45 am

Semantic priming is the root of most psyops.

Very recently the spooks were able to get a woo-woo disinfo search result into the top ten searches. Number one even. This must've been done using some SEO - search engine optimization trickery.

This only underscores how much they do not want us to know about semantic priming.

Semantic priming is subtle and allow plausible deniability when it is embedded in entertainment - television and movies.

Study it. This is what is behind the keyword hijacking and memetic engineering campaigns designed to get competing uses of words and themes into our brains to compete with politically dangerous information.

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http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs ... lCode=jocn



Abstract

Research examining the relation between explicit and implicit forms of memory has generated a great deal of evidence concerning the issue of multiple memory systems. This article focuses on an extensively studied implicit memory phenomenon, known as direct or repetition priming, and examines the hypothesis that priming effects on various tasks reflect the operation of a perceptual representation system (PRS)—a class of cortically based subsystems that operate at a presemantic level and support non conscious expressions of memory. Three PRS subsystems are examined: visual word form, structural description, and auditory word form. Pertinent cognitive, neuropsychological, and neurobiological evidence is reviewed, alternative classificatory schemes are discussed, and important conceptual and terminological issues are considered.
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Postby StarmanSkye » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:47 am

To continue the example -- Because its not like Pollack was actually used to advertise and 'sell' anything, like corn flakes, Amtrak, Coke and toothpaste, to the Washington Concensus, Radio Free Europe, The Monroe Doctrine, Mutually Assured Destruction, General Motors and the S&P 500, right?

I used to really enjoy postmodern art and even was well-informed & pretty good at art criticism, but I sure see it all in a different context today, against a backdrop of wholesale cultural manipulation and realparapolitic powermongering between aspiring global-feudalists and a corporate-technocracy. Pollack's significance has been mediated and exploited as a product of advertising/psyops.

The question is: How big IS the rigged game?
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Postby barracuda » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:49 am

Again, Hugh, you're responding to me like a clownish oaf. But go ahead, if you feel it suits you.

Now you are talking about something well outside the scope of your limited and claustrophobic knowledge base. It matters not at all in this context how Pollacks career was marketed, or even if Clement Greenberg was a spook (which is highly debatable). The painting itself transcended all that, and continues to, manifesting on canvas the very shape of culture itself, and changing how the world could actually be thought of for generations of individuals well outside the care of the small reaches of Mockingbird. You'll be hard pressed to make the same boring argument about de Chirico, or Nijinsky, or Beardsley, or Poulenc, or Lennon, or Beckett, or Joyce, or any of hundreds of other artists or writers I could name whose influence as single individuals cast shadows across man's thinking that make the CIA's scrawny efforts resemble those of a flea. When the CIA promoted Pollack as a imager of the modern world, they played with the fire of true inspiration and genius, and got burned.

I know people here are always criticizing you for your lack of appreciation of art, and they have a point. This little painting alone, not withstanding the entirety of the artist's output, much less the import of the art movements he was allied with, has shaped culture and thought across the globe in ways that the CIA could only dream of:

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Have you ever seen it before? How many times?

That you would contrast Pollack's work with the provicialism of Siqueiros or Diego Rivera, whose own output is immensely overshadowed by the work of his wife, just underlines the limits of your thought otuside of the narrow boundries apparently available to you. Pollack did social realism himself under the WPA before he outgrew the limitations it afforded his genius. Comapre his work sometime with your little file of movie posters.

Get over yourself. There's a whole world of culture outside of tee vee and movies and magazines, massively larger and more pervasive in terms of ideas and power. The sheer beauty of a field of blooming lilies seen from a train window makes all of Mockingbird a gimping sham. The world's breathtaking beauty will tear you a new pineal gland. Try it sometime.

Art does not fuck around, and has proven throughout the ages time and again its ability to surpass the small minds of history's nameless bureaucrats attempting to control it. Good luck with that.
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