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Postby Elvis » Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:21 am

elfismiles wrote:Active-shooter training for office workers used to be about hiding. Not anymore.



Interesting. The "fight back" advice seems to be a standard-issue talking point all over the U.S.
On Dec. 9 I heard the King County (Seattle) Sheriff firmly voice the same advice:

Your third option is to be fierce.

If you can't run and you can't hide, you're going to have to fight,” Urquhart says. “You're going to have to take out that shooter, because otherwise you're probably going to get killed anyway. Get a fire extinguisher, get a chair; get something heavy. Go after him and try to take him out before he takes you out.”

Brazen? Yes. Also totally new advice.

“This is something we’ve never told the public before, but we need to be honest now,” Urquhart said.

http://kuow.org/post/3-ways-save-yourse ... our-office



The likely source, a LE video, apparently from 2012 — before they decided to be "honest" about it?:

The FBI is highlighting an instructional video recently produced by the Houston Mayor's Office of Public Safety and Homeland Security designed to educate the public on what to do in the event of an active shooter situation.

The narrated video depicts an active shooter event unfolding inside an office building in disturbing detail as a man clad in black carrying a backpack removes a shotgun and opens fire inside the premises.

In the ensuing six minutes, the narrator underscores the importance of doing three things that could change the outcome of the shooting and save your live and those of others: Run, Fight, Hide.

RUN. When an active shooter is in your vicinity:

If there is an escape path, attempt to evacuate.
Evacuate whether others agree to or not.
Leave your belongings behind.
Help others escape if possible.
Prevent others from entering the area.
Call 9-1-1 when you are safe.

HIDE. If an evacuation is not possible, find a place to hide:

Lock and/or blockade the door.
Silence your cell phone.
Hide behind large objects.
Remain very quiet.

FIGHT. As a last resort, and only if your life is in danger:

Attempt to incapacitate the shooter.
Act with physical aggression.
Improvise weapons.
Commit to your actions.

You can watch the video below (Viewer discretion is advised):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/new ... /76741270/
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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:49 am

Don't think it was intentional, but for the record Elvis, you have attributed a quote above to me when it is actually from an article on the prior page, and was not at all included in my comment.
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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby Elvis » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:50 am

Quite right, mentalgongfu2, sorry—now fixed.
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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby semper occultus » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:03 pm

Children as young as three told to ‘play dead’ in shocking terror drills

CHILDREN as young as three have been taught to hide from terrorists in terrifying school drills which have left them “deeply traumatised”.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/728109/Shocking-terror-drills-children-play-dead-ISIS

Wed, Nov 2, 2016

Fake assailants have stormed schools pretending to be Islamic State (ISIS) gunmen in the raids on the schools in France, after jihadis announced children were a potential target.

In one petrifying mock attack at a secondary school in Eure-et-Loir, northwest France, the school principal walked around brandishing a fake gun, ignoring the ‘no weapon’ rule imposed by the French government.

Three planned drills were announced in August by interior minister Bernard Cazeneuve and education minister Najat Vallaud-Belkacem, in response to the string of terror attacks in France since January 2015.

But the first security drill – which took place before the October half-term – did not always go as planned, and some children were left deeply traumatised after taking part in the mock attack.

One angry parent told the French daily Le Figaro: “They made children as young as three draw terrorists and told them to lie on the floor and play dead.”

One teacher told the children that a ‘big bad wolf’ had entered the school premises and told them to hide and remain silent, another mother said.

She added: “My children refuse to play outside because they think that they’re about to be attacked by a wolf. I now spend my time telling them that there are no wolves in northern France.”

Another parent said that, during the mock attack, her son told his teacher that there were no terrorists in town and that the drill was useless, to which he replied: “You’ll thank me for this if terrorists do come and if, thanks to me, you know exactly what to do and where to hide.”

The boy now fears terrorists are about to take over the town, she said.

Another mother told Le Figaro that her son had had trouble falling asleep after the anti-terror exercise because he was convinced a terrorist was trying to break into the house.

She said: “The school asked a local official to dress up as a gun-wielding ISIS soldier and the children had to hide under their desks for more than 20 minutes.

“They even got a police officer to check the classrooms. And when I told one of the teachers that it was all a bit too much, he told me that in real life, a terror attack would have lasted much longer.”

But, despite the high number of complaints and the fact many children were left deeply scarred, the terror drills have been deemed “necessary” by government and local officials, who have point blank refused to let parents know when the second mock attack would be taking place.
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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby divideandconquer » Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:20 pm

Active Shooter Drills At Hayward Primary School Have Some Parents Concerned

Friday, October 28, 2016 | Joe Morey

On Monday, October 24, the Hayward Community School District participated in the A.L.I.C.E. safety response protocol which is an approach that empowers staff and students to make informed decisions to keep them safe in an active shooter situation.

Several primary school parents expressed concern over the third step which instructs children to fight back. The first step is to run or evacuate the building if possible through a door or window. If that’s not possible, the second step instructs them to hide.

A concerned parent said her first-grade student came home Monday and said they had a drill for if someone comes into the school but didn’t specify what kind of person. The parent said she didn’t think her 6-year-old should try to fight back.

“I just don't think someone who is six is mentally able to make life and death decisions. Like fight back,” The concerned parent said. “I asked her when you said fight what did that mean and she said throw things, toys, her chair, and said she wasn't able to lift her chair. I just don't know what they are saying to kids and what the kid’s interpretation of that is.”

Hayward Primary School Principal Wade Reier said they taper down the training with the Primary School students. He said they use more sensitive words, for instance, ‘angry adult’ or ‘a bad guy’ instead of ‘shooter.’

Reier said in previous years the school had a one-step lockdown drill, but over time research has shown that with the three-step approach there is a better chance of less people being harmed.

In response to the Sandy Hook Elementary School tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, there has been an ongoing debate about how to protect school children. Some controversial tactics have been taken. In South Dakota, a law was passed to allow teachers to carry firearms in the classroom.

A high school in suburban Chicago held a drill in which police fired blanks in the halls in order to give staff and students “some familiarity with the sound of gunfire.”

Recently, an Ohio school board approved plans to arm the janitors.

These kinds of measures have had negative reactions, but none so much as the controversial approach instructing children to fight back.

“I find this kind of disturbing they want our kids to go after a person with a gun by throwing things,” The concerned parent said. “I don't think they should be having our 6-year-olds be the hero. I would expect this out of an adult”

The US Department of Homeland Security recommends hiding or fleeing if possible when faced with the threat of a gunman, and fighting back only as a last resort. This approach is exactly what Reier said they are teaching in the Hayward School District.

The school used a more passive approach teaching staff and students to lock their classrooms, turn off the lights and evacuate when possible, through a door or window.

“Our current lockdown technique now provides two more options,” Reier said. “If an intruder enters the building we now go over the PA system and announce a specific location. For example, if the intruder comes in the doors by the office, we’ll announce intruder by the office and then depending on the classroom location, they will act. The office is closer to the first-grade wing, so they may have to lock doors and hide, but the kindergarten wing is far away so they can exit and just get safe. Just get as far away as possible and we can find you after but we don’t want them to be in that room.”

Reier said when the teachers lock doors and hide in the drill, they will spend five or ten minutes talking with the kids about the situation and answer questions.

As a last resort, Reier said, the fight technique would be used. He said it’s uncomfortable but it will increase chances of survival.

“At the kindergarten and first-grade level they would be taught to throw things like pencils, toys, a math book or whatever, in order to distract them,” Reier said. “Anything we can do to get the shooter to aim the gun anywhere else but at the children improves their chance of not getting harmed.”

Reier explained that this would be a situation if the intruder were to kick down the door and enter the classroom.

“It’s not something we want to do but it is a last option,” Reier said. “We don’t teach them to throw punches or anything like that. It’s meant to be a distraction.”

Reier said the drill for the primary school is tapered way down compared to the drill for the high school. He said each school is tapered down a level depending on the age of the students.

In a discussion on Facebook, one parent said, “There's a ton of studies on it. The more chaos the kids create, the less chances there are for fatalities. All current training I've taken has fight back as the 3rd option as well, it significantly increases the chances of survival. If they cannot hide or escape, the theory is that they can throw things and create that type of chaos. It, in theory, distracts the shooter making it more difficult for them to take aim if the kids are not all grouped in a corner hiding. I see both sides, and it's super unfortunate that we even have a need to have shooter drills conducted!”

The training program is called A.L.I.C.E. It stands for alert, lockdown, inform, counter, evacuate and it was created by a former SWAT officer and schoolteacher, Greg Crane. He calls them "common sense" strategies for contending with school shootings. For example, students aware of an intruder in the building can build barricades against their classroom doors by stacking chairs and desks.

A.L.i.C.E. training recommends rearranging classroom layouts to create a "minefield" that would make movement more difficult for an assailant once inside. It also instructs students about how to go toe-to-toe with a shooter if it becomes necessary. First students should gain a "tactical advantage” by throwing books, backpacks, desks, or anything they can get their hands on, to disrupt the gunman.

The idea in the training is that as the gunman is busy ducking his head from an air assault, if a small number of the students could become attackers instead of the attacked, they can begin a ground assault.

Critics say A.L.i.C.E presents safety and liability risks for students and schools and that it’s reckless and unrealistic to expect students, especially young ones, to go after a gunman.

Dr. Stephen Brock of the National Association of School Psychologists says teaching such tactics may cause unnecessary anxiety and stress for students, particularly young ones who are more easily traumatized. "It strikes me as an overreaction and potentially dangerous," Brock says. "School shootings are extremely rare. The odds of a student becoming a victim are 1 in 2.5 million. The odds of getting struck by lightning? One in 700,000."

"A.L.i.C.E may be well intended, but it's not well thought-out," says Ken Trump, president of National School Safety and Security Services. "You can't get a group of middle-school kids to simultaneously agree on chicken nuggets or pizza in the cafeteria for lunch, much less make a split-second decision to start throwing items at an armed intruder."

Crane said after the Newtown massacre he received over 2,000 emails about his A.L.I.C.E. training program and the emails have not let up. He said his program has trained hundreds of schools and millions of students.

Reier is in his first year as the assistant principal overseeing the primary school. He served for five years as middle school assistant principal. He is also the school district safety coordinator.

He said in the past the lockdown drills have been done once-per-year but he compared it to fire drills. “There is a fire drill in the school every month and there’s never been a death in a school due to a fire, because they train so often. So, we decided to step up the A.L.I.C.E. training to once-a-quarter instead of once-a-year.” There will be four of these lockdown drills in the school district.

Reier said last year the staff went through the A.L.I.C.E training protocol. He said the city and county each have resource officers and they trained three staff first. The five of them trained the entire staff during a teacher in-service day.

The Hayward School District Superintendent, Craig Olson, sent a letter home to parents stating the program is meant to keep kids safe.

“Please be assured we would never teach or ask our students to confront an armed intruder. We will never conduct unsafe or surprise training or drills with students of any age. We will, however, provide students with the knowledge that if faced with a critical situation, there are methods that can be applied that greatly enhance their chances of not being harmed,” Olson wrote. “Our traditional approach of ‘lockdown’ in case of an active shooter or threat against the school will remain a viable option, especially for students in lower grades.”

Reier explained in the tapering down of the training at the primary school that during the drill, all three grades, K-2nd, were only taught the hide approach this time. He said in the future trainings they may have second graders practice the escape technique.

One parent said on Facebook, “This is sad this has to be taught. What would he really nice is if the government could find funding to hire retired vets to help protect our schools and have trainings to help teachers. Heck, we should allow teachers concealed and carry if they so wish. I don't have a kid in school, but we teach children that police officers and teachers are good people and they can go to them, why not let them carry in case a god awful situation happens!”

A Sawyer County Sheriff’s deputy said, “I would hope if someone noticed a person with a weapon 911 would be called asap and we would get there before anyone had to "fight" back! Whether we are on or off duty, you better believe every officer would be at that school and we would have a plan! And even though a lot of people have negative to say about the Sheriff's Department, we have a good SWAT team and also work with Washburn County's team and would make sure every one of those kids stays safe and gets out!”

“Really shows how times are changing. This is absolutely blowing my mind right now,” one parent said.

Another added, “Such a crazy world anymore. I'm glad the teachers are teaching and addressing what to do, but it's sad the kids even have to think about things like that.”

Olson added in his letter to parents, “As part of the ongoing goal to provide the safest school environment for our children, the Hayward Schools have completed projects to upgrade our security in each building by adding an extra set of locking doors at each entrance, training the staff on A.L.I.C.E. protocol, continually upgrading the security camera systems and always working to build relationships with the students and their parents.”

A member of the Parent Advisory Committee (PAC), Layla Beckermann, said they have meetings every 2nd Tuesday of the month at 2:00pm in the primary school conference room for primary school parents.

Beckermann said Reier is at all of the meetings and, “It is often helpful as a parent to have a relationship with staff and an understanding of why they do the things they do. They do have our kid’s safety and best interest in mind. Please come to those meetings and/or meet with Wade Reier to gain an understanding of procedure if you are concerned.”

“It is a scary world and we need to be aware,” Reier said. “Be assured, the teacher is going to lead the charge in the whole thing if ever a situation occurred.”

Reier said any concerned parents should call him or Mr. Olson at the schools.

“Talk to us and communicate, let us know what we can do better.”
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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby elfismiles » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:45 am

Wow! Thank you Semper and DnC.
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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby elfismiles » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:04 pm

So ... keeping the "Crisis Actors" shtick separate from the "Drills / Exercises" confusion issue:

...from the official MSM WPTV CBS5 & CBS News YouTube Channels ...
https://www.youtube.com/user/WPTVnews

Math teacher Jim Gard on protecting his students during school shooting
Published on Feb 15, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU760_PUsf0

Stoneman High student hides from shooter in cabinet
WPTV News | West Palm Beach Florida
Published on Feb 14, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK6SprFPgfU

Student hangs from a shelf and hides in cabinet to stay safe during shooting
WPTV News | West Palm Beach Florida
Published on Feb 14, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un9oPPMHOUE


This little foray to find the original mainstream news clips came after seeing this composite that uses actual footage from previous staged drills which I'd seen previously. Of course this composite doesn't give those details and is thus misleading.

Florida High School Shooting Active Shooter Drill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-LI-CILcYc

... meanwhile ...

Active shooter training company investigates Stoneman Douglas High School shooting (VIDEO)
Amy Lipman, 7:42 PM, Feb 20, 2018 / 5:27 AM, Feb 21, 2018
https://www.wptv.com/news/state/active- ... l-shooting
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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby chump » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:18 pm

elfismiles » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:04 am wrote:So ... keeping the "Crisis Actors" shtick separate from the "Drills / Exercises" confusion issue:

...

Florida High School Shooting Active Shooter Drill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-LI-CILcYc

...


Hey, I checked the channel who hosted that video and, lo and behold, here’s our hero Wolfgang Halbig - helping to hack the official story and to also explain the recently dismissed lengthy lawsuit for supposedly harassing a SH parent - who decided not to show for a deposition.



… Fwiw, here's another official high school security protection expert also posing quite a few questions about the same Florida high school shooting.

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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:41 pm

Wow! Halbig's video's gone already!

This video has been removed for violating YouTube's policy on harassment and bullying.
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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby 82_28 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:30 pm

ACTIVE SHOOTER at youtube HQ right now. No details.

Possible active shooter at YouTube HQ in San Bruno
SAN BRUNO (KRON) - KRON4 is hearing reports of an active shooter at YouTube's headquarters in San Bruno.

The City Manager says they've received multiple 9-1-1 calls from YouTube, however, they did not disclose the reasons why.

A witness told KRON4's Gabe Slate that they heard 20 shots fired.

The headquarters is located at 901 Cherry Avenue.

San Bruno Police tweeted at 1 p.m. to avoid the area due to police activity.

Employees can be seen walking out of the building with their hands up.

Further details are unavailable at this time.

Check back for updates

Police activity at 901 Cherry Ave, please stay out of the area. pic.twitter.com/H6iAj0g7ra
— San Bruno Police (@SanBrunoPolice) April 3, 2018


http://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/poss ... 1098585330
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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby norton ash » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:32 pm

This would go in a Breaking News thread. Just saying.
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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby 82_28 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:38 pm

norton ash » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:32 pm wrote:This would go in a Breaking News thread. Just saying.


Totally my thoughts when I posted. Eventually probably.
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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby norton ash » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:46 pm

From Gizmodo, because I'm a terrible person.

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4/03/18 4:22pm
The YouTube videos of the YouTube employees hiding out at YouTube HQ during the YouTube shooting are gonna be meta as hell.
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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby chump » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:23 pm

Iamwhomiam » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:41 pm wrote:Wow! Halbig's video's gone already!

This video has been removed for violating YouTube's policy on harassment and bullying.


I don’t know whether or not Wolfgang Halbig is hanging out, but he offers some sensible observations of the official story - seemingly contrived for various reasons.





I’ve been an administrator. When you have a major incident - an emergency, every principal needs to have a team around him that he trust with his life, that when he goes and calls a “Code Red”, that he knows he’s got the right people in the right places to help him manage the event.

Well guess what? That did not happen on February the 14th, Valentine’s Day.

Why?? How in the world, after all this training, after all the policies, after all the procedures, how in the world could they do what they did on that day?

… This school has 3,500 students! It’s massive!! It’s a 60 acre campus!!! It’s huge!!!! I’ve been on that campus two different times. I did a safety assessment. I know where all the cameras are. I know how they should function, how they should work! And the biggest thing that bothers me about this: The process and procedures…



Why was the Secret Service of the United States three weeks ago go in the… Douglas High School and do a workshop on active shooters? Tell me [why] the Secret Service would… go into that high school and train the teachers on active shooters? When has that ever been done anywhere in this country?

Nobody’s asking the question, and nobody’s holding people accountable… You can call me a conspiracy theorist… Go ahead, because guess what? I worked for the Broward County School Board. I developed it, I understand it, I know it, and let me tell you, go ahead and question me, you pick up the phone, (he gives out his number): Call me! I’ll explain everything to you.




When you see EMTs, tarps, ambulances, loading kids into an ambulance, [and] it’s further off… [Do] you know they were over 500 yards from the entrance of the school? That’s where they were setting up! How do the injured people get to the car? How do they get to the ambulance if they were shot in the school? They gotta walk 500 yards to get to the ambulance??!!


He also adds that there should be some lawsuits, but the fact that the defendant has already pled guilty will limit discovery of the facts in the case. Speaking of a lawsuit:

Sandy Hook? We are doing good… Countersuit is coming… and I’m gonna tell you what: The only difference is, instead of being the defendant, I am going to be the plaintiff. I am going to chase that… [Posneur] down, and I am going to find him, and we are going to bring this thing to closure…
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Re: Active Shooter Drills Thread

Postby elfismiles » Wed May 02, 2018 9:37 am

‘I Feel Like My Heart Has Stopped Beating:’ Kids Open Up About The Frightening New Reality Of Regular Lockdown Drills < CBS New York (VIDEO) April 30, 2018 at 11:23 pm
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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/04/30/ ... iscussion/
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