Tasered mom: ‘I posed no threat’

[Naked Wizard]

Mom Tasered in front of kids ‘posed no threat’

Article and Video at link

[StarmanSkye]

Man, that story and video really disturbed me. But then I reflected how 'natural' it is, as the US has become the world's leading purveyor of violence and weapons, that its own citizens are now becoming an under-utilized pool of state-policy violence to terrorize us and make us fearful of our own officials. What goes around and all that.

Tragic.

I don't think police should use tazers with as ready an inclination as they do. Tazers CAN and DO kill.

[Sounder]

StarmanSkye wrote...

Man, that story and video really disturbed me.

I found the comments more disturbing than the story and video. They are either pro-cop therefore pro tazer use or anti cop anti-tazer. The woman herself is treating the cop as if he is a judge. I.e. getting out of her car to ‘view the video’. If the woman established to the cop that she did not have a cell phone, thereby nullifying the reason for the first charge, and then the cop produces the second false charge, one can understand her choice to continue to establish her innocence, right then and there. But I would submit that this was a bad tactic when it included ignoring the direct command of a cop. Observant people see that the number one training imperative for cops is to be in control of the situation. Folk need to deal with reality rather than trying to impose some idealism on their surroundings.

I am sickened by the strength of the prison complex system in the US, and by the free use of tazers. But this has more to do with politicians making laws, lobbyists writing laws and Judges and their support staff dipping into the money stream that the laws create. Also don’t forget the insecure population that pays to abuse and criminalize more and more elements of the population with drug laws, anti-rave ordinances etc. The Law has been corrupted by law. Cops and their corruption are way down the list of corruptions.

What’s funny and sad is folk seeing corruption in others simply for what they are, while not seeing corruption in oneself even though ones whole life is spent observing ‘oneself’, or at least the personal identity associated with said self.

To get back to practical reality, here is a tip. Engagements with cops will go better if an attitude of acceptance is projected rather than one of resentment. Why would a thinking person give a cop a reason or need to impose the number-one imperative on you.

(small aside) I was given a courtesy warning for going 24 mph over posted speed, early in the morning in an area known to produce a lot of tickets. (No I’m not stupid, just new to the area.) Anyway, I have had ridiculous good fortune with cops all my life. So much so that I asked a ’friend’ to ask a state police dispatcher friend if they had code designations for various types of people. I did not get any detail from my friend beyond yes, and will try to find out more.

[beeline]

Posted on Tue, Aug. 18, 2009


Man Tasered in stop by state cops dies
By STEPHANIE FARR
Philadelphia Daily News

farrs@phillynews.com 215-854-4225

A Philadelphia man who was Tasered during a traffic stop Friday after he and his female companion allegedly assaulted state troopers, died from unknown causes Sunday morning at Crozer-Chester Medical Center.

The circumstances of Hakim Jackson's death are being investigated by the state police.

The Delaware County Medical Examiner's Office, which was to conduct an autopsy yesterday, did not answer phone calls or return messages.

Jackson, 31, was the passenger in a car driven by Ashley McDaniel, 21, of Elkton, Md., that was pulled over about 5:20 p.m. on Interstate 95 South, in Tinicum Township, for tinted window and other violations, police said.

When the car was stopped, both occupants appeared nervous and gave false identification, police said.

McDaniel was asked to step out of the car. While Trooper Joseph Yingling was speaking with Jackson through the passenger window, Jackson climbed in the driver's seat and put the vehicle in gear, court documents said.

In response, Yingling reached through the passenger window and pulled the keys out of the ignition. But while he was doing that, Jackson punched him repeatedly in the head, leading Yingling to Taser him, court documents said.

The second officer on the scene, Trooper Michael McKeon, then tried to remove Jackson through the driver side door of the car, but Jackson, who had just been Tasered, jumped into the back seat, fled out a rear door and ran into the John Heinz Wildlife Refuge, the affidavit said.

During Jackson's escape, McDaniel allegedly jumped on McKeon's back and began to assault him.

When back-up officers arrived, three troopers, including McKeon and Yingling, chased Jackson into the Wildlife Refuge and after about a mile, arrested him in a "thick swamp," police said.

Both troopers were treated at Crozer-Chester - McKeon for heat exhaustion and a cut to his hand, and Yingling for facial wounds and a cut on his hand that required seven stitches.

Jackson also was taken to Crozer-Chester, though the extent of his injuries was unclear, police said.

McDaniel was charged with aggravated assault on police, hindering apprehension, resisting arrest, driving under a suspended license and related offenses. She remains in the Delaware County Prison on $50,000 bail.

Investigations revealed that Jackson had drug distribution warrants out for his arrest from the state parole board, West Chester and Philadelphia, police said.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/53537187.html

[nathan28]

It's a good thing she wasn't naked and on E, then it would have taken three cops with tasers.

[justdrew]

"I posed no threat"

wrong, "failure to comply" is the greatest threat of all, but they can't tase everyone.

[marmot]

I have had ridiculous good fortune with cops all my life. So much so that I asked a ’friend’ to ask a state police dispatcher friend if they had code designations for various types of people. I did not get any detail from my friend beyond yes, and will try to find out more.

I think it breaks down like this> Ultimately, if you're respectful and polite, and cooperate with the police as they are doing their job - you'll get the same kind of courtesy - and maybe even an extra measure of grace back. This especially works with highly temperamental cops: grace begets grace, and anger begets anger. It is never a good idea to challenge a cop in anger.

Also, if you're overly obsequious - this causes suspicion. And cops are usually pretty good at reading people, at judging character. They have to assess someone in the matter of seconds, and everything factors into their assessment - from the type and condition of the vehicle (including bumper stickers) to a person's clothing and haircut; From the lines on a persons face and their immediate behavior, to observing eye contact and listening to how they speak - the sounds and tones in one's voice carries volumes of information.

A clean-cut, well-mannered character usually finds good fortune in a police encounter. I don't think it really matters how much money, authority or status a person has in the world - I think it breaks down to grace being offered to the humble, and the insolent get broken.

[marmot]

Man Tasered in stop by state cops dies

"Jackson punched him repeatedly in the head, leading Yingling to Taser him, court documents said."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/53537187.html

From a quick reading of this story it sounds like if the "non-lethal" taser hadn't been employed, Jackson - for assaulting the officer - might have otherwise been shot with a potentially leathal gun. Blam! And it looks like the taser didn't even serve to subdue him, or cause him much injury - because he then somehow ran off into the Wildlife Refuge.

My guess is that after being chased a mile into the swamp, after being caught, he might have been beat up a bit by the adrenaline-charged police, to further subdue him. It doesn't look like the initial tasering was the cause of Jackson's death.

[Naked Wizard]

COPS TASER MENTALLY CHALLENGED DEAF MAN, WHILE USING TOILET

if this doesn't make you angry...

[nathan28]

COPS TASER MENTALLY CHALLENGED DEAF MAN, WHILE USING TOILET

if this doesn't make you angry...

He obviously should have responded with a clean-cut appearance and more grace.

[marmot]

COPS TASER MENTALLY CHALLENGED DEAF MAN, WHILE USING TOILET

if this doesn't make you angry...

He obviously should have responded with a clean-cut appearance and more grace.

Yes, nathan. As this incident demonstrates - appearances don't always correspond to reality.

I'm absolutely outraged by this!


The deaf man, btw, was a clean-cut individual. The combination of him being deaf and mentally impaired and probably even angry that he was being harassed, maybe scared that he was being attacked by maybe the devil himself as he was minding to his own business on the toilet, exacerbated the situation. Maybe he didn't have the presence of mind to yell out something in his defense, like - "I'm deaf!" Maybe he was mute.

What's so utterly fucked-up with this is that for the sake of the police spotting an umbrella and deeming it a weapon they went in with pepper spray and a taser! The police who did this should be punished and made an example of!

[compared2what?]

I'm absolutely outraged by this!

Just in case you need a phrase for insincerely expressing your distress over some case in which the utterly predictable harm done to an innocent person as a result of the act-first think-later, no-strikes-and-you're-out, presumed-guilty standard you constantly preach wasn't severe enough to merit outrage, I suggest:

It's a disgrace!

See? You can totally work that look.

[barracuda]

The deaf man, btw, was a clean-cut individual.

This is now the standard by which we assess the viability of police torture of citizens? That's a pretty low bar.

[OP ED]

From a quick reading of this story it sounds like if the "non-lethal" taser hadn't been employed, Jackson - for assaulting the officer - might have otherwise been shot with a potentially leathal gun. Blam! And it looks like the taser didn't even serve to subdue him, or cause him much injury - because he then somehow ran off into the Wildlife Refuge.

i've seen animals run for miles with lethal bullet wounds. but you do know that there are truly ancient methods for the nonlethal subduing of perps that do not involve electricity or gunpowder, right?

My guess is that after being chased a mile into the swamp, after being caught, he might have been beat up a bit by the adrenaline-charged police, to further subdue him. It doesn't look like the initial tasering was the cause of Jackson's death.

hard to say. it might be easier if we had information coming from somewhere other than the police who killed him.
[an unarmed man]

[OP ED]

And cops are usually pretty good at reading people, at judging character. They have to assess someone in the matter of seconds, and everything factors into their assessment - from the type and condition of the vehicle (including bumper stickers) to a person's clothing and haircut; From the lines on a persons face and their immediate behavior, to observing eye contact and listening to how they speak - the sounds and tones in one's voice carries volumes of information.

COPS TASER MENTALLY CHALLENGED DEAF MAN, WHILE USING TOILET