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Trifecta wrote:Nat Geo to air 9/11 conspiracy doc
US cable channel National Geographic is set to air a special that investigates conspiracy theories around the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.
Creative Differences Productions (Discovery Atlas: Mexico Revealed) is behind 9/11: Science and Conspiracy, which will explore a range of theories, including that the Twin Towers collapsed due to explosives that had been planted inside and that the Pentagon was hit by a missile rather than a commercial airliner.
The film will air on Monday August 31 at 21.00 on National Geographic Channel.
Recent polls say that 33% of Americans do not accept the US government's official account of the tragedy, which has also sparked a four-film franchise of conspiracy theory docs, Loose Change.
Searcher08 wrote:I have been wondering about the possible role of the UK in 9/11.
8bitagent wrote:*slams my head on a piano*
Jus in bello
The reason that the 9/11 Truth Movement, specifically, is ignored as thoroughly as possible is that in order actually to debunk its various absurd conclusions, you must engage in a whole troubling, complex, and hidden (if in plain sight) history of post-war American neocolonial policy throughout the Middle East and Islamic world, so that while one one hand one can ultimately conclude that shape-shiftying-Annunaki-stargod-reptilian-alien Dick "Dick" Cheney did not actually fly holographic planes into buildings rigged for controlled demolition in a Reichstag-fire moment preceding the round-up of citizens and their mass relocation to FEMA-run concentration camps, on the other hand your Ward Churchills were basically right when they said that 9/11 represented "chickens coming home to roost." I mean, let's just put it right out there. If we are going to pretend that there is such a thing as just war, legitimate violence in self-defense, etc., then the attacks of 9/11 were more morally defensible than the American invasion of Iraq. Needless to say, these are not the sorts of propositions that nice liberals want to talk about in WaPo online chats.
8bitagent wrote:
Why does EVERY GD "Debunking" special have to 100% focus on "controlled demuhlushun", "flight 77 didnt hit the Pentagon!", and other red herrings?
Searcher08 wrote:I felt exactly the same, 8bit.
It was good to see that list - any one of them should have had a troup of investigative reporters after it.
I have been wondering about the possible role of the UK in 9/11.
Given the very close involvement with Iraq (remember the SAS 'insurgents', a history of 'dark forces' which even the Queen alluded to, the later 7/7 events and the very heavyweight role of the City of London in global finance....
I can see 9/11 as a compartmentalised operation created by a meta group that also contains Saudi / Saudi intel actors.
If this was done in a manner that was an operation that was enacted by independent (but unknown to themselves, interacting) actors, the total number of people with the big picture of the whole operation could be tiny.
Byrne wrote:Searcher08 wrote:I have been wondering about the possible role of the UK in 9/11.
Maybe when the UK finally extradites Khalid Al Fawwaz (reported as 'Bin Laden's London Press Officer', arrested in Summer 1998) to the US, he can provide some of the details of the UK involvement/facilitation in 911.
Fawwaz, an Egyptian, who had been arrested on an extradition warrant to the US, is the longest serving foreign national detainee in the UK, and is still in UK detention. 'Caged Prisoners tells us that " Al-Fawwaz made no secret of his support for the overthrow of the Saudi regime, or his support for Bin Laden, which he publicly renounced in 1996 following the latter's fatwa against the US.
Al-Fawwaz's lawyers have shown that from the time their client came to Britain in 1994 until his arrest four years later, he was in regular contact with the security services. Coincidence, shurely!
From a 2002 UK legal document (Paragraph 209): "central to the case against Al Fawwaz, who had been re-arrested on an extradition warrant to the US, was a participating informant who, it was certainly plausible, had received benefits from the US Attorney"... A figure of $1,000,000 is then mentioned... but the (Crown) Witness B was unable to confirm this ......as he was also unable to confirm/deny that the same (participating informant) "man had previously been rejected as unreliable by a number of governments".
No-one seems in a rush to extradite Al Fawwaz to the US...
There is also the puported London connection with the facilitation of Visas for the alleged assassins of Ahmed Shah Massoud, in Afghanistan on September 9th 2001. These allegations of visa facilitations centred on another Egyptian Yasser al-Siri, who, in a UK Court of Appeal hearing of March 2009, allegedly had 'contact with and knowledge of a man known as Osman' (Paragraph 69).
Curiouser & Curiouser...
n0x23 wrote:One last thing, the so-called debunkers seem to be suffering from acute necrotizing myopathy, since they are incapable of seeing and comprehending that the "U.S." powers-that-be, can and have slaughtered and destroyed millions of innocent lives for their own benefit and gain.....morons!
One last thing; Indira Singh, Sibel Edmonds and Ptech Inc.
thatsmystory wrote:In the al Qaeda operatives did it conception of the attacks, there are still all sorts of confusing details. One would think it would be rather straightforward yet to this day it is hard to pin down what happened on the 9/11 planes.
Shortly after the attacks Seymour Hersh reported that ramp employees put guns on the planes.
Peg Ogonowski mentioned the courage of a flight attendant to make a phone call knowing she could have been shot by a hijacker. The use of guns always rang true but it doesn't seem remotely possible that airline employees would have agreed to keep that secret. Then again why on earth would al Qaeda rely on knives? After all one air marshal= four or five dead hijackers.
Another odd story was that Ogonowski was in control of the plane after the hijacking. It was reported he kept pressing the push to talk button on the yoke and his voice and that of presumably Atta could be heard. I tried to get more detail on this as it suggests quite a different MO but I couldn't get any answers. One would think that would be a conversation worth hearing! Then again, it could have been early disinfo intended to keep the public confused.
Journalistically, there were many odd things about 9/11. Initial reports of reporters that they heard "explosions" in the towers – which could well have been the beams cracking – are easy to dismiss. Less so the report that the body of a female air crew member was found in a Manhattan street with her hands bound.
n0x23 wrote:There are alot of anomalies on both sides of the fence, but things like the "Harley Hat Guy", for example, are just far too much for me to ignore.
The first time I saw this guy, I was like..."What?! No way. C'mon, give me a break! You can't be serious?!"
If this guy in his brand new Harley hat and matching t-shirt, speaking just so eloquently scripted, isn't a shill and/or a plant, I need to get out of the game.
Why did we even waste our time hiring NIST, this guy knew exactly what happened moments after the collapse. F'n amazing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0wHeekgPqk
http://www.NewsAndOpinion.com -- THE six-month anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks is upon us. Here are a half-dozen unsolved mysteries still on my mind:
What really happened on United Airlines Flight 93? As the Philadelphia Daily News reported back in November, many folks in Shanksville, Pa., where the hijacked Boeing 757 crashed, believe the plane was shot down. Eyewitnesses reported seeing a small, unmarked jet flying overhead immediately after impact; others are convinced they heard the piercing sound of a missile. A federal flight controller told The Telegraph of Nashua, N.H., that an F-16 had indeed been in "hot pursuit" of Flight 93 until it hit the ground. One of the 911calls from a passenger on the flight indicated that there was an explosion aboard the plane. The FBI immediately confiscated the tape.
The eight-mile-wide debris field seems to bolster claims of an on-board explosion. So did the discovery of a one-ton chunk of the plane's engine far from the rest of the crash site - which some say points to evidence that a heat-seeking missile targeted the flight. Then there's the eight-minute gap from the time all cell phone calls from the plane ceased and the time it crashed.
Although both the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder were recovered, not a single scrap about what was on the black boxes has been officially released. This despite the government's otherwise routine release of such information. (Recall that after American Airlines Flight 587 crashed in New York last November, the feds released detailed information from one of the black boxes within less than two days.)
The feds insist on keeping all the Flight 11 data secret because disclosing such information might "interfere with enforcement proceedings." Against whom? All the hijack culprits are dead.
What really happened on American Airlines Flight 11? Did one of the hijackers have a gun on board? Was it planted before the flight took off, or was it smuggled on? Either way, shouldn't someone be held accountable if such an egregious security breach did in fact take place? Investigative reporter Paul Sperry, formerly of Investor's Business Daily and now with Worldnetdaily.com, scooped the mainstream press by exposing a high-level, internal report from the Federal Aviation Administration. It detailed the alleged shooting of Flight 11 passenger Daniel Lewin by hijacker Satam Al Suqami.
According to the document, which was later obtained by the Washington Post, USA Today, and others, an onboard flight attendant reported in a phone call that "one bullet was reported to have been fired" during the flight, killing Lewin before the plane crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center. FAA officials dismissed the leaked memo as a draft and claimed that the very specific report of gunfire - including the names of the victim, shooter, and their precise seat numbers -- was an editing error.
Just a typo, huh?
Who murdered Katherine Smith, and why? Smith was the Tennessee state license examiner who had been implicated last month in a phony ID scam involving a group of shady Middle Eastern men from New York City. Investigators say there are "connections" between the ring and the Sept. 11 terrorists; one of them had a repair pass in his possession that gave him access to the lower levels of the World Trade Center basement. It was dated Sept. 5.
A day before Smith was to appear in court over the matter, she died in a bizarre and fiery crash inside a car registered to one of her Middle Eastern co-defendants. Smith was burned beyond recognition; her arms and legs disintegrated in the flames. Yet, her car was traveling barely over 20 mph when it hit a utility pole and damage to the vehicle was minimal. This week, the Tennessee Highway Patrol concluded definitively that her "death was not the result of the crash itself. Her death was by other means." Is this the vengeful work of al Qaeda killers still on the loose?
Finally: Why does Norm Mineta still have a job? Who's responsible for the anthrax attacks? And the most nagging unresolved question of all:
So where the he-l is Osama bin Laden, anyway?
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