BBC reported the collapse BEFORE the collapse!
I too have decided to focus on issues apart from WTC collapses. I do agree with Building 7 advocates on the oddness of the BBC report as even firefighters couldn't have known that the entire building would collapse in such a manner. There is no mention of toppling or partial collapse but rather (paraphrased) "the building collapsed." One weird aspect is that the diesel fuel wasn't associated with the collapse by NIST. One wonders why NIST didn't take that route since it meshes with their "fuel weakened the trusses" WTC theory.
Note: My flippant reference to Building 7 is attributable to the whole Bill Maher campaign. At first I found Maher's attitude annoying but after a while I found I agreed with him. The certainty of the Building 7 theorists is unsettling. As if the phrase "Building 7" explains everything one needs to know about 9/11.
Well I realize I've stepped on a lot of researchers toes over the last couple years by referring to 9/11 research("truth") as "the Church of Controlled Demolition".
I'm not saying there's nothing suspicious about the towers. Even bin Laden himself in the infamous "confession" video says how shocked he was that the towers collapsed and that the air defenses were nowhere to be found. Even more ironic is the Saudi BinLaden Group's star architect was the designer of the WTC towers back in the 1960's.
However, it just seems weary that virtually every 9/11 research documentary seems to focus on the collapses. And this seems to be the overall focus in general. I went to the two day "9/11 Truth" conference in Los Angeles back in 2006 and the whole thing seemed like one big WTC tower fetish. Anyways, BBC, CNN, etc absolutely says(with WTC7/Salomon Bldg in plain view) the building has collapsed. We hear personnel saying on the ground "get back", the buildings going to blow up or come down. I believe its possible there was a genuine worry that it would come down. But to this day I cannot say "aha!" one way or another regarding the towers. I do feel whoever was ultimately behind 9/11 ensured that the towers need to collapse one way or another; and obviously jihadists with planes is not a very good way to ensure that.
Bill Maher's disdain regarding "9/11 Truth" reflects the overall liberal hatred of questioning 9/11: the insistence that the towers "absolutely were blown up", and the challenge of the idea that 9/11 was merely "blowback" and "incompetence".
United 23: I found the TV coverage lacking. One of the TV reports stated that the suspicious passengers never boarded the planes at all. They simply aroused the suspicion of the gate agent. Why would they do such a thing? Even if they were intending to hijack the plane and the flight was canceled, why would they get upset? What sort of discipline is that? It's as if the hijackers were not trained to deal with any sort of adversity. Would highly trained al Qaeda operatives call attention to themselves? I don't think so. It appears that some of the news reports (print and TV) were disinfo.
Well for one, why is there such a detailed, wide ranging report of so many planes containing pre planted knives? Is this to mean that the four flights also had preplanted knives where the hijackers seats were?
Also, wasnt this flight in particular grounded before they could get on board? In the early days of 9/11 reporting, there was a clear theme from all over regarding the idea of an "airport employee inside job". I think this is entirely possible.
As for why get upset...well wasnt it Atta and al-Omari(or the Buhkari Brothers?) who got into a near fight with some random guy in the airport
parking lot? Wasnt it Atta and others who got beligerent in strip clubs, bars...and according to some reports, the Oklahoma City Bombing Museum? So many of the hijackers had short fuses, getting pulled over. Going to the cops to report stolen stuff. KSM even was arrested when he visited America. These guys did NOT blend in, and the "takfir" explanation of their obsession with porn, sex toys, drugs, strippers, and hookers absolutely does not fly. As investigators have said, these guys wanted to leave an intentional breadcrumb trail.
"Cool calm and collected" was not an asset that the hijackers always possessed.
Again, if we are to believe actor James Woods, law enforcement, FBI, witnesses, investigators, researchers, etc: then there was a LOT more than just the "19" who were on board flights or preparing for plane hijackings. Why would these guys make big scenes? Either they are that idiotic, or that was what they were intended to do.
My initial point was that we cannot know what truly went down on the 9/11 flights but United 23 (if properly investigated) could explain the MO of the 9/11 flights.
Absolutely. I mean one of these guys(Subash Gurung, who tried to board a Chicago plane) even had the same address as two of the other group of "would be hijackers" So this was clearly not misreporting and "early confusion"...but proof of at least a couple of cells.
My focus in researching 9/11 has primarily been centered on:
* The history of al Qaeda, from Maktab al-Khidamat to al Qaeda and
the al Kifah Center in Brooklyn and Boston.
*The evolution of al Kifah Center to "Care Intl." and its absorbtion into the Ptech/Yasin al Qadi realm of massachusetts/New Jersey companies.
(BMI, Ptech, Logan Furniture, etc) Also the role of Ptech as an al Qaeda front, Qadi and Khalid bin Mahfoud's financing of bin Laden, and most importantly Ptech backdoor risk management architecture software on all high level US government system(including the FAA)
*Choosing of specific flight schools in America by bin Laden corporation SICO
*The evolution of the "al Qaeda" saga, from the Sadat assassination and Afghanistan to Ali
Mohamed to Rabbi Khahane killing, World Trade Center 1993/Al Kifah/Al Farooq mosque/Blind Sheikh, to Ramzi Yousef in the Philippines and Manhattan jail, Khalid Sheikh Mohamed's 1994-2001 movements, to bin Laden and Zawahiri's time in Sudan and Afghanistan, to the 1998 Dar-Es-Salaam/Nairobi and USS Cole bombings, to most importantly "Jihad in Bosnia and Chechnya".
*The saga of Khalid al Midhar and Nawaf al Hazmi
*Involvement of Saudi GID, Jeddah embassy, Royals and Officials regarding both financial and material support
*Role of Able Danger, Hamburg cell, Brooklyn cell, Darkazanli, NSA eavesdropping, 1996-1998 role of American Aukai Collins as informant in Bosnia/Chechnya/Afghanistan/Phoenix AZ.
*Role of Dubai's banking system
*Role of Pakistani Intelligence, Omar Saeed Sheikh, RG Abbas, etc
*Role of Israeli spies in spying the hijackers
*Role of Muwafaq Foundation, WAMY, Holy Land, Care Intl, Benevolence International, SICO, Tatex Trading, Infocom, Infocus, and other al Qaeda linked front companies and terror financing charities.
*Trail of the hijackers in Southern California, Florida, Oklahoma, Virginia, etc.
*Role of unknown and known hijacker accomplices inside of America from 1999-2001
Do I feel I'm anymore closer to "the truth" than those who focus more on the physical anomalies of the day itself? Well, not entirely...but I definitely am convinced the 9/11 operation, to the chagrin of KSM and Zawahiri, is a very complex deep state event. The "Atef and Zawahiri" computers and raid of the Kabul al Qaeda office to me shows that the "main core" of al Qaeda were in a very small bubble unaware of the real agenda they were playing too. Zawahiri, Atef, bin Laden, KSM, etc might have felt like they were putting one over the "powers that be"...in reality al Qaeda was the one being played.
United 23 also raises some questions about the configuration of Flight 93. Why were only four hijackers on board? Al-Quatani's failed entry didn't make sense. Neither did Moussaoui's conduct for that matter. If al Qaeda was the terrrorist juggernaut as we have been told then why didn't al-Quatani have a better back story prepared? Why did Moussaoui attract so much attention that he got arrested? Is this indicative of a sophisticated terrorist outfit? I don't think so.
Oh, Zacharius Moussaoui IS KEY to unlocking many aspects of 9/11. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2091676.stm
Zacarias Moussaoui claims that he, and the suspected hijackers, were under surveillance by the FBI before September, and that the US intelligence agencies allowed the attacks to happen.
This was the latest in a series of handwritten motions from Mr Moussaoui to the judge overseeing his case.
In it, he says he has "relevant information and proof" relating to the conduct of the FBI before September.
Who was Zacharious Moussaoui hanging out with in Norman Oklahoma at the University of Oklahoma?
Nick Berg, WTC 1993/OKC 1995 operative Melvin Lattimore(roomate),
Hussein al Attas(roomate, and friend of al Midhar/al Hazmi),
as well as Moussaoui was seen with Mohamed Atta, alShehi, and several other hijackers. Moussaoui and Atta were taken to the same dusty
"Dreamland Motel" in August of 2001 by Lattimore, that Lattimore had taken Mcveigh, Nichols and others to just a few weeks before the OKC bombing.
Moussaoui matters, because it directly connects the Kuala Lampar apartment where Moussaoui stayed, to the Nick Berg case(both Berg and Moussaoui trained at Airman Aviation in 2001), to the Oklahoma City Bombing case, and to the rest of the hijackers. Bin Laden and KSM might call Moussaoui a "wannabe", but even Moussaoui's ties to Richard Reid and the London mosque are very significant in my mind.
Al-Quatani's blocking from getting in of course revealed a weakness in al Qaeda. Because this goes straight into the central question you've been asking lately: "Did al Qaeda have backup cells and or operatives just in case something went wrong?"
Its my belief that there were extra hijacker teams and sleeper cells that al Qaeda was completely unaware of. Including the United 23 stuff,
and the white Israeli connected vans in NYC and NJ. Perhaps their job was either to create further chaos...or to obfuscate.
Why did Moussaoui make such a scene? Well, we know for a fact that
Hussein al Attas drove him to MN, where he was in contact with Blackwater(according to whom he was emailing and calling) We also know Ziad Jarrah was being trained by "Men Who Stare At Goats" alumni and occult military trainer Bert Rodriguez in Florida, and had the email "email@example.com"(a military subcontractor email)
Melvin(Mujahid Menepta) Lattimore would have to then drive to pick up Al Attas in MN shortly after 9/11 where both were then arrested.
We know over 75 times FBI agents pleaded to get Moussaoui and search his laptop, where al Qaeda information and Nick Berg's emails were found.
In total, I believe that there is direct prima facie evidence that the same operatives were used in the World Trade Center Bombing of 1993 and the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995, and some of these guys end up within the 9/11 framework.
What connects all this is Moussaoui. At the Dreamland motel where authorities believe the OKC conspirators and plot swirled around is the exact same motel that Mousaoui, Marwan alShehi and Atta were taken too. Both involved Melvin Lattimore, who was said to have always been loitering around the motel by the owners:
http://www.laweekly.com/2002-08-01/news ... rist-motel
Fox News Special: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIZUlAN-E_E
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