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The True Story of Area 51's UFOs

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:59 pm
by MinM
Keith Thomson: The True Story of Area 51's UFOs

In 1968, 31-year-old hypersonic flight specialist Thornton "T.D." Barnes reported to Groom Lake, the remote Southern Nevada military base also known as Area 51.

He began work on the CIA's top-secret Project OXCART. Over the next seven years, he and many of his colleagues knew one another only by aliases. For additional secrecy, several of them lived in California, commuting to work each day by plane.

Barnes' cover permitted him to go home to nearby Beatty, Nevada, but he couldn't tell his wife, Doris, what he did at work. She only knew that it was top-secret. His children knew even less. "They got used to it," he recalls. "They grew up not expecting me to talk shop when I came home. None of them knew until two years ago, when it was declassified."

He means the CIA's September 2007 declassification of its Groom Lake aircraft testing, new information in spite of which questions remain. To say the least. Area 51 still is heard in the same breath as Roswell, Amityville and Loch Ness.

Why?

Aerospace historian Michael Schratt suspects that extraterrestrial technology was utilized at Area 51 and remains secret "because it will make every man, woman and child on the planet energy independent." Schratt's theories gained some prominence in July 2007 when he produced the following photograph:
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During a recent interview, Schratt told me that the picture in fact is "a computer-generated forensic composite" that he commissioned. [To see the undoctored original photo, click here.]

But there were UFOs at Area 51, according to Barnes.

"We were the UFOs," he says. "We were, to a great extent, the sightings being reported."


The flying objects in question include the family of spy planes known as Blackbirds, technological marvels that could fly at heights of 90,000 feet (or about three times the altitude of DC-9s more commonly seen in that era) and speeds near 2,500 mph (think ten football fields in a second), figures that decimated prior records and enabled U.S. reconnaissance photography that arguably tipped the balance of power in the Cold War. Also of note: Although conceived in the 1950s, the sleek jets would not look out of place in the latest George Lucas offering.

So it's little wonder that they were unidentifiable.

Says Barnes, "This posed a great problem to investigators having to explain a sighting without revealing it to be a super secret CIA or Air Force project."

Barnes and company were forced to conceive all manner of cover stories.

Now, with the declassification, he can tell the truth.

Currently President of the Area 51 alumni group Roadrunners Internationale, Barnes has started a website dedicated to the legacy of OXCART and the ensuing Operation Black Shield. "I am trying to make it possible for a lot of people who never got to tell their stories to do so now that the Oxcart project has been declassified," he told me.

For the same reason, he's spearheading an oral history project at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, enabling his fellow Roadrunners to share their experiences in great detail.

Like Barnes, many Roadrunners have children and grandchildren unaware of what they did for a living, let alone their heroics. When the tape starts to roll, Barnes relates, "A lot of them, on finally getting to share their stories, do so with such pent-up emotion that they literally break down in tears."

To hear the interviews, go to the UNLV digital collections. For more of OXCART and other war stories, check out roadrunnersinternationale.com. Barnes' own site is area51specialprojects.com.

Also, post your Area 51 question in the comments section below. Mr. Barnes will log on and try to provide an answer unless it reveals, as he puts it, "anything that might still be classified or that could be of use to our enemies."
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The SR-71 reconnaissance aircraft, part of the "Blackbird" family begun with OXCART's A-12
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:32 pm
by freemason9
Well, yes, everyone knew of the SR-71's a very long time ago. Why is this news? And what does it have to do with unlimited energy?

Re: The True Story of Area 51's UFOs

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:30 am
by elfismiles
MinM wrote:Keith Thomson


For the record Keith Thompson's book Angels and Aliens is the shiznit!

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http://www.amazon.com/Angels-Aliens-Kei ... 0449908372

Re: The True Story of Area 51's UFOs

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:54 am
by monster
elfismiles wrote:
MinM wrote:Keith Thomson


For the record Keith Thompson's book Angels and Aliens is the shiznit!


Thanks, definitely ordering this.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:59 am
by exojuridik
I still can't see how cases of UFO high strangeness can be explained away by disc shaped convential craft and SR-71's. Whatever it was that I witnessed might've been a crypto-terrestial sky-fish or a multi-dimensional cthonic beast but it wasn't anything resembling a nut-and-bolt military craft. Unless, of course, they can make them appear as shimmering toroidal fields of non-color.

I don't think that the significant indicators of an alien presence resemble the conventional 50's "space invader" model, however, stories attributing flying saucers to experimental craft only seem to redirect our attention to the newtonian and euclidian manifestations of the other. These accounts also beg the witnesses to place even the most otherwordly sightings under the rubric of US military aegis. This perceptual framing serves as a well-tested foundation for tertiary level conceptual manipulation.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:33 am
by 8bitagent
exojuridik wrote:I still can't see how cases of UFO high strangeness can be explained away by disc shaped convential craft and SR-71's. Whatever it was that I witnessed might've been a crypto-terrestial sky-fish or a multi-dimensional cthonic beast but it wasn't anything resembling a nut-and-bolt military craft. Unless, of course, they can make them appear as shimmering toroidal fields of non-color.

I don't think that the significant indicators of an alien presence resemble the conventional 50's "space invader" model, however, stories attributing flying saucers to experimental craft only seem to redirect our attention to the newtonian and euclidian manifestations of the other. These accounts also beg the witnesses to place even the most otherwordly sightings under the rubric of US military aegis. This perceptual framing serves as a well-tested foundation for tertiary level conceptual manipulation.


Don't you know? Every strange high weirdness or UFO encounter
is all just "high level Pentagon military CIA psyops"!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Those mile long triangles, flying humanoid creatures over Mexico Romania and Serbia, and all Forteana...all the CIA!

I think it's funny how desperately how half the conspiracy crowd is hellbent on "proving" all forms of high weirdness and UFOs are all government psyops...
How do they explain the little men seen at many of these events?

In my mind the Mothman flap, late 70's Brazil encounters, and 1994 Zimbabwe school event are all genuine...though I can *see* why people would want to discredit everything as "psyops"...makes the world much less frightening and strange.

From my guess, the US government was frightened/unnerved by all the UFO stuff(especially the 1941-1950's period)

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:19 pm
by LilyPatToo
For me that "Hey, it's all intel/psy-ops" stage was just that--a stage. Since I'd started out in True Believer Alien Abductee Land, it was a huge thing to read Cannon's The Controllers and finally be able to clearly see the all-too-human meddling in many people's lives--my own included.

But then I read Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State (book 1) and had to once again revise my opinion to a degree. There have been too many solid reports by reliable witnesses for too many years to all be accounted for by US black ops aviation projects.

I suspect that a lot of people who've never experienced any high-strangeness events in their lives find it infinitely easier to go with denial and to put it all down to the machinations of the psy-ops folks. That way, fewer people will ridicule them (though of course some still will, since psy-ops isn't "believed in" by most folks) and they can wear smug smirks and feel superior each time there's a UFO sighting or someone "loses some time" and concludes they've been abducted by aliens.

The UFO I saw back in the mid-60's during a "flap" in my hometown could have been either--a psy-op or the real thing. I'll probably never know for certain which it was, which annoys the heck out of me. I currently think that the US government is not monolithic and suspect that there are pockets of people within it who know a heck of a lot more about what's really going on than most.

I also know individuals whose word I trust who've had definitely non-human/non-governmental/intel abduction events and UFO sightings. But the majority of cases I've run into online and locally here in the Bay Area of California reek of human intel exploitation. So I guess the most rational stance I can come up with is to be as informed as possible and to be flexible/willing to change your opinion. RI is a real help in staying informed and providing a variety of opinions. But, as in so many other areas where the intel boys have meddled, the waters are horrifically muddied. Hate that.

LilyPat

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:26 pm
by barracuda
8bitagent wrote:Mothman flap


That's pretty funny.