John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

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John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby Jeff » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:12 pm

John Pilger 25 Mar 2010

In his latest column for the New Statesman, John Pilger describes the increasing American war front across the world: from Afghanistan to Africa and Latin America. This is the Third World War in all but name, waged by the only aggressive "ism" that denies it is an ideology and threatened not by introverted tribesmen in faraway places but by the anti-war instincts of its own citizens.

Here is news of the Third World War. The United States has invaded Africa. US troops have entered Somalia, extending their war front from Afghanistan and Pakistan to Yemen and now the Horn of Africa. In preparation for an attack on Iran, American missiles have been placed in four Persian Gulf states, and “bunker-buster” bombs are said to be arriving at the US base on the British island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.

In Gaza, the sick and abandoned population, mostly children, is being entombed behind underground American-supplied walls in order to reinforce a criminal siege. In Latin America, the Obama administration has secured seven bases in Colombia, from which to wage a war of attrition against the popular democracies in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Paraguay. Meanwhile, the secretary of “defence” Robert Gates complains that “the general [European] public and the political class” are so opposed to war they are an “impediment” to peace. Remember this is the month of the March Hare.

According to an American general, the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan is not so much a real war as a “war of perception”. Thus, the recent “liberation of the city of Marja” from the Taliban’s “command and control structure” was pure Hollywood. Marja is not a city; there was no Taliban command and control. The heroic liberators killed the usual civilians, poorest of the poor. Otherwise, it was fake. A war of perception is meant to provide fake news for the folks back home, to make a failed colonial adventure seem worthwhile and patriotic, as if The Hurt Locker were real and parades of flag-wrapped coffins through the Wiltshire town of Wooten Basset were not a cynical propaganda exercise.

“War is fun”, the helmets in Vietnam used to say with bleakest irony, meaning that if a war is revealed as having no purpose other than to justify voracious power in the cause of lucrative fanaticisms such as the weapons industry, the danger of truth beckons. This danger can be illustrated by the liberal perception of Tony Blair in 1997 as one “who wants to create a world [where] ideology has surrendered entirely to values” (Hugo Young, the Guardian) compared with today’s public reckoning of a liar and war criminal.

Western war-states such as the US and Britain are not threatened by the Taliban or any other introverted tribesmen in faraway places, but by the anti-war instincts of their own citizens. Consider the draconian sentences handed down in London to scores of young people who protested Israel’s assault on Gaza in January last year. Following demonstrations in which paramilitary police “kettled” (corralled) thousands, first-offenders have received two and a half years in prison for minor offences that would not normally carry custodial sentences. On both sides of the Atlantic, serious dissent exposing illegal war has become a serious crime.

Silence in other high places allows this moral travesty. Across the arts, literature, journalism and the law, liberal elites, having hurried away from the debris of Blair and now Obama, continue to fudge their indifference to the barbarism and aims of western state crimes by promoting retrospectively the evils of their convenient demons, like Saddam Hussein. With Harold Pinter gone, try compiling a list of famous writers, artists and advocates whose principles are not consumed by the “market” or neutered by their celebrity. Who among them have spoken out about the holocaust in Iraq during almost 20 years of lethal blockade and assault? And all of it has been deliberate. On 22 January 1991, the US Defence Intelligence Agency predicted in impressive detail how a blockade would systematically destroy Iraq’s clean water system and lead to “increased incidences, if not epidemics of disease”. So the US set about eliminating clean water for the Iraqi population: one of the causes, noted Unicef, of the deaths of half a million Iraqi infants under the age of five. But this extremism apparently has no name.

Norman Mailer once said he believed the United States, in its endless pursuit of war and domination, had entered a “pre-fascist era”. Mailer seemed tentative, as if trying to warn about something even he could not quite define. “Fascism” is not right, for it invokes lazy historical precedents, conjuring yet again the iconography of German and Italian repression. On the other hand, American authoritarianism, as the cultural critic Henry Giroux pointed out recently, is “more nuance, less theatrical, more cunning, less concerned with repressive modes of control than with manipulative modes of consent.”

This is Americanism, the only predatory ideology to deny that it is an ideology. The rise of tentacular corporations that are dictatorships in their own right and of a military that is now a state with the state, set behind the façade of the best democracy 35,000 Washington lobbyists can buy, and a popular culture programmed to divert and stultify, is without precedent. More nuanced perhaps, but the results are both unambiguous and familiar. Denis Halliday and Hans von Sponeck, the senior United Nations officials in Iraq during the American and British-led blockade, are in no doubt they witnessed genocide. They saw no gas chambers. Insidious, undeclared, even presented wittily as enlightenment on the march, the Third World War and its genocide proceeded, human being by human being.

In the coming election campaign in Britain, the candidates will refer to this war only to laud “our boys”. The candidates are almost identical political mummies shrouded in the Union Jack and the Stars and Stripes. As Blair demonstrated a mite too eagerly, the British elite loves America because America allows it to barrack and bomb the natives and call itself a “partner”. We should interrupt their fun.

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Re: John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby smiths » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:38 pm

This is Americanism, the only predatory ideology to deny that it is an ideology.


spot on, years spent spent trying to name it and there it is, Americanism

brings to mind that line about the devil, the best trick the devil pulled ....
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Re: John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby operator kos » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:47 pm

I concur with the Zapatista analysis that the "Cold" War (including Korea and Vietnam) was WWIII, and that we are currently in the Fourth World War, which the the death cult of corporatocracy versus all humanity.
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Re: John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby smiths » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:50 pm

ah, but what about the analysis that world war one essentially stretched until 1945 with an intermission for restocking,
that would make the korea/vietnam/laos war world war II
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Re: John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:59 pm

deleted...senseless rationalism on a UFO board....
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Re: John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby barracuda » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:07 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Aww, c'mon, Jeff. It's just...the universe winking atcha!

Try some consistency...fascism's rivers of blood or W.O.O.?


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Re: John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:51 am

It may be a trivial point of categorization, but the wars of imperialism, or of the originally European great powers against the rest of the world and amongst themselves, have been global and continuous throughout the last five centuries (and the five thousand years that preceded them weren't peaceful either). The Pax Britannica is a misnomer, the only thing remarkable about it was the relative infrequency of major interstate land wars in Europe itself, but as we know the formula for what constitutes History is supposed to be that Europe + Anglosphere = The World. The 19th C. was a time when they were busy assaulting everywhere else and fearful of revolutions at home. The Cold War is also a misnomer, as it was hot in every year, with tens of millions dead, just again not between states in Europe proper. I'd even call that a nuclear war, with hundreds of thousands of casualties, but waged by the superpowers in controlled fashion on their own territories (and those of their dependencies) in an effort to terrify each other and out of terror of what would happen if they acutally launched into the enemy's territory. But yeah I'd count post-9/11 as the fourth world war; US-UK leading a crusade against the outliers from global corporatocracy, and mounting a desperate, presumably final effort to maintain the Anglo-American empire and keep territorial control of the resource base.
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Re: John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:52 am

John Pilger said:

"Silence in other high places allows this moral travesty.
Across the arts, literature, journalism and the law, liberal elites, having hurried away..."

Hurried away into W.O.O. or evidence-denial or other irrelevancies..."paint chips."
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Postby barracuda » Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:17 am

Pilger seems to believe there were hijackers, Hugh, and as far as I can tell has made no public statements in favor of a controlled demolition hypothesis. So since he doesn't seem to share your personal opinion, I suppose you'd have to lump him in with the war criminals promoting irrelevancy.
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Re: John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:24 am

Jeff wrote:John Pilger 25 Mar 2010

In his latest column for the New Statesman, John Pilger describes the increasing American war front across the world: from Afghanistan to Africa and Latin America. This is the Third World War in all but name, waged by the only aggressive "ism" that denies it is an ideology and threatened not by introverted tribesmen in faraway places but by the anti-war instincts of its own citizens.

Here is news of the Third World War.



war is already opened on four fronts: Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Iran.
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts01082007.html

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Neoconservatives have called for World War IV against Islam. In Commentary magazine Norman Podhoretz called for the cultural genocide of Islamic peoples. The war is already opened on four fronts: Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Iran.

The Bush administration has used its Ethiopian proxies to overthrow the Somalian Muslims who overthrew the warlords who drove the US from Somalia. The US Navy and US intelligence are actively engaged with the Ethiopian troops in efforts to hunt down and capture or kill the Somalian Muslims. US Embasy spokesman Robert Kerr in Nairobi said that the US has the right to pursue Somalia's Islamists as part of the war on terror.

For at least a year the Bush administration has been fomenting and financing terrorist groups within Iran. Seymour Hersh and former CIA officials have exposed the Bush administration's support of ethnic-minority groups within Iran that are on the US State Department's list of terrorist organizations. Last April US Representative Dennis Kucinich wrote a detailed letter to President Bush about US interference in Iran's internal affairs. He received no reply.





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Re: John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby nathan28 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:26 am

Can somebody give me directions to that "dark force" universe tugging on this one?

On edit, that don't involve DXM megadoses or ritual masturbation to open up the "tunnels" to "Universe B"
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Re: John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby compared2what? » Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:37 am

JackRiddler wrote:It may be a trivial point of categorization, but the wars of imperialism, or of the originally European great powers against the rest of the world and amongst themselves, have been global and continuous throughout the last five centuries (and the five thousand years that preceded them weren't peaceful either). The Pax Britannica is a misnomer, the only thing remarkable about it was the relative infrequency of major interstate land wars in Europe itself, but as we know the formula for what constitutes History is supposed to be that Europe + Anglosphere = The World. The 19th C. was a time when they were busy assaulting everywhere else and fearful of revolutions at home. The Cold War is also a misnomer, as it was hot in every year, with tens of millions dead, just again not between states in Europe proper. I'd even call that a nuclear war, with hundreds of thousands of casualties, but waged by the superpowers in controlled fashion on their own territories (and those of their dependencies) in an effort to terrify each other and out of terror of what would happen if they acutally launched into the enemy's territory. But yeah I'd count post-9/11 as the fourth world war; US-UK leading a crusade against the outliers from global corporatocracy, and mounting a desperate, presumably final effort to maintain the Anglo-American empire and keep territorial control of the resource base.


Right on. But for practical purposes, I propose considering the wars we're formally fighting now (plus the Balkan conflicts in the '90s; plus all wars in the near and middle east subsequent to 1918) as direct continuations of WWI. Because that's what they are. They just went quiet for a while.

And another right on to smiths, if he was endorsing the WWI/WWII-as-a-single-conflict-with-an-intermission historical perspective. Because that's true, too.

In neither case is it the only truth. But it's still a truth worth taking the time to contemplate, imo. Because pick 'em from any place or any time, wars never ever really end, once they start. They settle down for a while, then they come right back same as they were before, except escalated, usually. Infinitely.

I guess that every now and again, an entire civilization dies out and its wars get such extreme cosmetic makeovers that it's difficult to recognize them as their former selves. But they're still the same wars. And that doesn't happen very often anyway.

Otherwise, I hold the above to be a universal truth and am now wide open to challenges to it that I won't be able to meet.
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Re: John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:18 am

barracuda wrote:Pilger seems to believe there were hijackers, Hugh, and as far as I can tell has made no public statements in favor of a controlled demolition hypothesis. So since he doesn't seem to share your personal opinion, I suppose you'd have to lump him in with the war criminals promoting irrelevancy.


Pilger has not come up to full speed from LIHOP to MIHOP.

BUT. He has never ever promoted W.O.O. like 'aliens from outer space' or 'synchronicity' or 'universe winking' or 'magic teapot' or 'just a hologram'-type nonsense.

He also doesn't suggest that every viewpoint is mere "personal opinion" with no objective facts.
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Re: John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby Simulist » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:40 am

"Synchronicity" is "w.o.o.," but flights of fancy onboard the Keyword Hijacking Airbus are supposedly well-grounded...

Yeah. Sure.

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:deleted...senseless rationalism on a UFO board....

This cannot fairly be summed up as a "UFO board."

And you cannot fairly be described as a rationalist.
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Re: John Pilger: Have a nice world war, folks

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:20 am

Hugh Manatee Wins,

Why bring up W.O.O. condemnations when "woo" wasn't even brought up in this thread? It feels like you are lecturing to the rest of us now. You have been a part of this board for years and know (or should know) this isn't merely a "UFO board". And if this was a UFO board, then why are you posting here?

Pilger has not come up to full speed from LIHOP to MIHOP.

BUT. He has never ever promoted W.O.O. like 'aliens from outer space' or 'synchronicity' or 'universe winking' or 'magic teapot' or 'just a hologram'-type nonsense.


He probably never will fully embrace LIHOP or MIHOP. I have heard you condemn many who haven't subscribed to that belief, while they also didn't subscribe to the woo. So why are you making excuses for John Pilger now? Where is your typical, "he's a CIA agent because he spews the official 9/11 story" rant?

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