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The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:06 pm
by 23
My daughter catches me reading this article today... peruses its contents... stares at the picture... and asks me:

"Daddy, are we contributing to this situation by using Microsoft products?"


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... awake.html

Showing Chinese sweatshop workers slumped over their desks with exhaustion, it is an image that Microsoft won't want the world to see.

Employed for gruelling 15-hour shifts, in appalling conditions and 86f heat, many fall asleep on their stations during their meagre ten-minute breaks.

For as little as 34p an hour, the men and women work six or seven days a week, making computer mice and web cams for the American multinational computer company.

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This photo and others like it were smuggled out of the KYE Systems factory at Dongguan, China, as part of a three-year investigation by the National Labour Committee, a human rights organisation which campaigns for workers across the globe.

The mostly female workers, aged 18 to 25, work from 7.45am to 10.55pm, sometimes with 1,000 workers crammed into one 105ft by 105ft room.

They are not allowed to talk or listen to music, are forced to eat substandard meals from the factory cafeterias, have no bathroom breaks during their shifts and must clean the toilets as discipline, according to the NLC.

The workers also sleep on site, in factory dormitories, with 14 workers to a room. They must buy their own mattresses and bedding, or else sleep on 28in-wide plywood boards. They 'shower' with a sponge and a bucket.

And many of the workers, because they are young women, are regularly sexually harassed, the NLC claimed.

The organisation said that one worker was even fined for losing his finger while operating a hole punch press.

Microsoft is not the only company to outsource manufacturing to KYE, but it accounts for about 30 per cent of the factory's work, the NLC said. Companies such as Hewlett-Packard, Samsung, Foxconn, Acer, Logitech and Asus also use KYE Systems.

Microsoft, which exports much of the hardware made at the factory to America, Europe and Japan, said that it is taking the claims seriously and has begun an investigation.

One employee told the NLC: 'We are like prisoners. It seems like we live only to work - we do not work to live. We do not live a life, only work.'

The NLC's report included an account from one worker whose job consisted entirely of sticking selfadhesive rubber feet to the bottom of Microsoft computer mice.

But the monotony of sitting or standing for 12 hours, applying foot after foot to mouse after mouse, was not the worst of the worker's testimony.

It was the militaristic management and sleep deprivation that affected the worker most. 'I know I can choose not to work overtime, but if I don't work overtime then I am stuck with only 770 Chinese yuan (£72.77p) per month in basic wages,' the worker said.

'This is not nearly enough to support a family. My parents are farmers without jobs. They also do not have pensions.

'I also need to worry about getting married, which requires a lot of money. Therefore, I still push myself to continue working in spite of my exhaustion.

'When I finish my four hours of overtime, I'm extremely tired. At that time, even if someone offered me an extravagant dinner, I'd probably refuse. I just want to sleep.'

Charles Kernaghan, executive director of the NLC, said: 'It sounded like torture - the frantic pace on the assembly line, same motion over and over for the 12 hours or more of work they did.'

Microsoft said it was committed to the 'fair treatment and safety of workers'. A spokesman added: 'We are aware of the NLC report and we have commenced an investigation.

'We take these claims seriously and we will take appropriate remedial measures in regard to any findings of misconduct.'

Re: The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:32 pm
by apologydue
Microsoft, which exports much of the hardware made at the factory to America, Europe and Japan, said that it is taking the claims seriously and has begun an investigation.

Microsoft said it was committed to the 'fair treatment and safety of workers'. A spokesman added: 'We are aware of the NLC report and we have commenced an investigation.


'We take these claims seriously and we will take appropriate remedial measures in regard to any findings of misconduct.'



What a novel approach. Just as Greenspan saw the U.S. economy as a "conundrum" so does Microsoft see its own business practices. It is impossible that the Microsoft investigations will reveal unknown business doctrine to Microsoft management considering the fact that Microsoft management wrote the doctrine.

"we had no idea we built these sweatshops"

Its like bankrobbers investigating their own crimes. Oh wait, we own the bank too. oooppssss...hope nobody notices...

Re: The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:40 pm
by 82_28
From simple first hand, second hand and third hand experiences -- never EVER believe anything anybody from MSFT says when they are talking about the company or it's projects. It's a very simple rule of thumb, but I cannot stress enough how true it is.

Re: The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:06 pm
by Sepka
Yes, far better to refuse to buy anything made in such conditions. If these jobs are taken away, that provides the workers with an incentive to go find one with better pay and conditions. Obviously they're unable to think of such a simple solution on their own, since they continue to work there. It's almost like, I dunno, like they need these jobs to survive, or something.

Re: The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:43 pm
by apologydue
Yes, far better to refuse to buy anything made in such conditions. If these jobs are taken away, that provides the workers with an incentive to go find one with better pay and conditions. Obviously they're unable to think of such a simple solution on their own, since they continue to work there. It's almost like, I dunno, like they need these jobs to survive, or something.



I'm sort of thinking that Microsoft could afford to buy mattresses for those beds at the very least. If they did it would make Bill's job easier too. He would have less money to count that he is not using.

Re: The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:47 am
by tazmic
Sepka wrote:Yes, far better to refuse to buy anything made in such conditions. If these jobs are taken away, that provides the workers with an incentive to go find one with better pay and conditions. Obviously they're unable to think of such a simple solution on their own, since they continue to work there. It's almost like, I dunno, like they need these jobs to survive, or something.

Thanks for pointing this out Sepka. (And about time.) Anybody considered boycotting Chinese products as a response to this?

Re: The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:25 am
by Metric Pringle
tazmic wrote:
Sepka wrote:Yes, far better to refuse to buy anything made in such conditions. If these jobs are taken away, that provides the workers with an incentive to go find one with better pay and conditions. Obviously they're unable to think of such a simple solution on their own, since they continue to work there. It's almost like, I dunno, like they need these jobs to survive, or something.

Thanks for pointing this out Sepka. (And about time.) Anybody considered boycotting Chinese products as a response to this?


It's something I think many consider, but almost impossible? It would be interesting to see some kind of database online whereby you can punch in a product name you are planning to buy, and it highlighting the non sweatshop equivalent. But a non Chinese equivalent would be scraping an empty barrel.

Re: The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:18 am
by 23
While a boycott of products made in China is, undoubtedly, both difficult and imperfect, I don't think that that should deter us from making the best effort possible.

Things shouldn't be tried only if they possess a likelihood for a perfect outcome.

They should be tried because they deserve the trying.

We're trying, albeit imperfectly.

Nonetheless, we're trying.

Re: The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:24 am
by Metric Pringle
keep keeping on... yup

Re: The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:27 pm
by Wilbur Whatley
I'm a small business owner (law firm) and I've operated as a Microsoft-free zone for 15 years.

It's possible.

Re: The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:31 pm
by barracuda
Sepka wrote:Yes, far better to refuse to buy anything made in such conditions. If these jobs are taken away, that provides the workers with an incentive to go find one with better pay and conditions. Obviously they're unable to think of such a simple solution on their own, since they continue to work there. It's almost like, I dunno, like they need these jobs to survive, or something.


It appears that many posters here are unaware of Sepka's sense of the sarcastic.

Re: The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:47 pm
by 23
Wilbur Whatley wrote:I'm a small business owner (law firm) and I've operated as a Microsoft-free zone for 15 years.

It's possible.


Glad to hear that.

I'm currently field testing both Ubuntu and Linux Mint?

Have a preferred dis?
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Re: The image Microsoft doesn't want you to see.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:21 am
by Nordic
A few years ago I had to buy a new coffeepot and figured i'd buy American.

It was extremely difficult. To the point where it's almost not worth the bother! Although if you have unlimited time to research and shop and order from distant suppliers I suppose it might work out, IF you could actually find one ....... And this was five or six years ago, it's only gotten worse since.

But if you need something fairly quickly, forget about it.