No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

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No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby Project Willow » Wed May 26, 2010 3:46 am

From the comments to his article Albarelli addresses the issue.

http://www.truthout.org/cries-from-past-tortures-ugly-echoes59738

Mon, 05/24/2010 - 13:33 — H.P. Albarelli Jr.

I researched the CIA's programs for over 17 years.
As far as I could see and find, there is/was no Monarch
project. Indeed, I was told by the fellow who first wrote about it that it was a fabricated project on his part and that
he has regretted the creation for years.
It is not necessary to make MKULTRA and Artichoke any worse than they were. They were absolutely horrible programs and the attempts to embellish them with made-up projects is not helpful or needed. In fact, it readily serves the Agency's disinformation objectives to scatter this fabricated disinfo dust over the real story. Ms. Van Bergen is correct: victim accounts are helpful and needed. These are forthcoming in additional articles that will be posted on Truthout. As expected, victims are quite afraid and apprehensive about coming forward. The victim identified as Sally Hartman in my book is the best evidenced account I have seen. The harm done to this woman by the CIA is hard to fathom. Perhaps we will post that section form the book somewhere on the net so that more people can see and read it. HPA/


RIer's who've paid attention to this topic can probably figure out that regretful source, but let us now put to rest finally the question as to whether it's a bonafide project name. Interestingly, it doesn't appear to be deliberate disinfo either. Can one retract a meme?

Project Monarch

Actually, if you listen to the radiation committee testimony, one of the vics quotes Gottlieb telling her she "Is ripe for the big A", Artichoke. So perhaps TBMC activity fell under that project name. Hopefully one day we shall find out for certain what label they used for their horrendous work on kids.
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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby 82_28 » Wed May 26, 2010 4:02 am

Well such a project would be grounds for a non disclosure, anti-disclosure, disclosure of nothing ever having existed yet had, but didn't actually exist. But it's non existence does prove the substance of something, no?

If it didn't exist, why has it taken this long to say it never did? If it never did, it never did. So thus it has existed as a meme that has been used for some purpose. So thus, why?

And this is how they start conspiracy theories that never even existed in the first place. They are beginning to roll them out in a way that mimics the old skool, but provides more information now -- so thus, all us "conspiracy theorists" say "SEE" told you so. They are not reeling in a miasma of "what do we do now" shit. They are taking advantage of the opportunity.

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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby Simulist » Wed May 26, 2010 2:39 pm

Thanks for this, Project Willow.

Project Willow wrote:Can one retract a meme?

I don't think so, not easily.

Remember "Rathergate" (or "Memogate") otherwise known as the Killian Documents Controversy? Somebody faked evidence of something that was essentially real (George W. Bush's record of crappy "service" in the Air National Guard), and now all anybody really thinks about when the subject comes up is the fake documents themselves. And Dan Rather, of course.

In other words, the fake was very useful in concealing the real.

MKULTRA was very real (and almost certainly still is, under whatever name it continues to operate under). But the designation, "Project Monarch," often continues to be a foil to serious discussion about MKULTRA because the designation itself is spurious. Throw in a few now-famous people like Cathy O'Brien making unverifiable and sometimes outlandish claims, and the entire subject starts taking on the air of the fantastic, at least to the average audience.

Nothing is more sacred than an individual's own thoughts. Since the thinking of individuals and the masses can be so highly affected and even managed today, I consider polluting the serious subject of mind control with misinformation to be nothing less than a means of enabling a unique and ongoing crime against humanity.
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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby elfismiles » Wed May 26, 2010 3:47 pm

It should be emphasized that, while Monarch may not have been an actual project name, there were projects associated with MK-Ultra and related programs that dealt with children as documented in TERRIBLE MISTAKE as well as by the, now defunct, SUNSHINE PROJECT:

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Conspiracy Theories: Should We Listen Now?
Saturday October 13th, 2001


...

I have also expressed my concern that the great untold story of CIA cold war abuse involves the use of children in the same sorts of ghastly medical experiments that characterized MK-ULTRA and the Plutonium program.

But I have good reason for this, also, documented reason. It is not some kind of crazy imaginary conspiracy theory that suggests bizarre and impossible things, such as that our current president is evil on a Hitlerian scale, which is what one must conclude if we are to maintain that he intentionally induced the attack on America.

There is a great deal of difference between substituting imagination, belief and theory for facts, and adhering to the facts. Theories and facts are not the same, and the people who are buying into these conspiracy websites need to recognize the difference.

I believe that the CIA?s cold war experiments included the abuse of children, and that this process may still be ongoing. Now, how is that different from believing that Queen Elizabeth is a giant lizard from another planet, and that George W. Bush intentionally caused the attack on America?

The difference is not enormous, but it is very, very crucial. It is why I do not buy indiscriminately into all conspiracy theories. The difference is twofold: witness testimony and documentation.

Nobody has ever seen the Queen in her lizard form. Nobody has ever reported the least whiff of a suggestion that the president knew about or caused the attack on America.

MK-ULTRA, wherein the CIA, among other things, fed LSD to the mentally ill without telling them, is a matter of public record, its documentation in the national archives. It was the subject of congressional hearings and extensive news coverage. And the author of the Plutonium Files, who I have been privileged to interview on Dreamland, won the Pulitzer Prize for her work.

There are many witnesses claiming that they were abused as children in something very like MK-ULTRA. Because of the way it relates to the known abuses of that program, this witness testimony is important, and deserving of much more careful scrutiny than it has so far received from journalists.

My own personal memories suggest that I was a victim of cold war experiments on ?bright? children, and I have interviewed other people who believe that they were similarly victimized. There exists documentation to suggest that this may have been going on as recently as the early 1990s, and could still be going on. The documentation is not conclusive, but along with the witness testimony of people like Cheryl Hersha, who has also been on Dreamland, it is very, very troubling.

The documentation I am referring to consists of articles that appeared in the Washington Post on February 7, 1987 and in US News and World Report on December 23, 1993 and January 4, 1994. The Post article discusses a child abuse case involving a group called ?The Finders,? a group that allegedly conducted brainwashing of children and used them in rituals. The investigation grew out of a situation in Tallahassee, Florida where two well-dressed men were discovered with six disheveled children in a park. The children had been let out of a van for exercise.

The two men told police that they were transporting the children to Mexico, where they would be placed in a school for brilliant children. This concerned me greatly, because of my own personal memories of the existence of such a school. I also recalled it being in Mexico, the city of Monterrey.

At first, it appeared that the Tallahassee situation was a police case involving child abuse and possible kidnapping. However, in its articles in 1993 and 1994, US News revealed some very disturbing facts. Charges against the two men had been dropped. None of the allegations were ever proved. The children were eventually returned to their mothers. In 1993, the Justice Department began an investigation into whether or not the case had been dropped improperly. There were allegations that the Finders was somehow linked to the CIA. When the Customs Service sought to examine the evidence gathered by the Washington DC police, they found that the police report on the case had been classified as secret and that the investigation had ?become an internal matter.?

This makes no sense. It also makes no sense that, even after the case got attention from Rep. Charlie Rose (D-NC) and Rep Tom Lewis (R-FL), no progress was made. Marion David Pettie, the head of the Finders, denied all the charges. He claimed that the small organization does research and competitor intelligence for mostly foreign clients. The CIA claims that the only connection between it and the Finders was the fact that a firm that provided computer training to CIA officers also employed some members of the Finders organization.

Nobody ever explained what the children were doing in Tallahassee in a van, or why, if the Finders were not concerned with children in some way, the organization had been identified as being involved during the investigation into this matter.

And nothing more was ever done. What appears to be a possibly atrocious, and certainly very unsatisfactorily explained, case of child abuse simply evaporated. It is difficult to believe that this investigation, given that both congressmen and the Justice Department were demanding answers that they did not get, was not suppressed by some very powerful people.

So, there it stands: an incomplete investigation. But my concern about it is different from what is on the conspiracy theorist websites. I have not only witness testimony, but documentation that suggests that competent and careful people thought that there was a level of CIA involvement, and further evidence that their investigations were thwarted.

Before Eileen Welsome began her research into the Plutonium Files that eventually led not only to a Pulitzer Prize but to a presidential apology to the victims, she actually had a little less of a smoking gun.

...

http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=79




The Boy in the Box
Friday March 14th, 2003


In recent years, I have had a number of childhood memories emerge that disturb me very much. These memories are like the memories of many other people. And I have also found, buried in some old news stories, startling corroboration for one of them.
I have also found, in our society, an institution that was created by two accused child abusers, and has on its board advocates of pedophilia and CIA officers, which exists to discredit anybody who has such memories. This institution is called the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. I will be addressing it later.

I believe that, beginning after World War II, children began to be recruited for various experimental efforts to create 'perfect' spies, and to study the effects of the development of dual and multiple personalities in them.

The idea was that a child would be placed under intense pressure, abused both physically and emotionally, until, as a defense mechanism, the child developed a second personality that the first was not aware of. This second personality would then be used by the child's handlers in all sorts of ways. Some of these children were hypnotically triggered to recruit for CIA on their own when they came of age, and their hidden personalities were then activated and used by informed handlers.

I believe that this program started in 1947 or 1948, and continued on, perhaps into the seventies and even into current times. It involved the abuse and destruction of many thousands of children, and the ruin of many lives. I do not think that it resulted in much long-term success. If that had been the case, the United States would not have seen its covert intelligence operation fail during the seventies and eighties, and would never have had to turn to electronic eavesdropping as its primary means of gathering intelligence.

But a price was paid in ruined lives, and it is high time for the United States to expose the records of this that remain, and offer the victims the restitution and support that they need.

The government has admitted that it methodically abused innocents in the MK-ULTRA mind control program and in the various AEC programs that exposed unwitting victims to radiation. The book the Plutonium Files, for which its author won the Pulitzer Prize, exposed the radiation abuses. The CIA itself admitted the existence of MK-ULTRA under pressure from congress, and released thousands of pages of documents that implicated hundreds of institutions, including many colleges and universities, and many hundreds of individual scientists and doctors, in the most outrageous abuse of their fellow citizens, including the secret dosing of psychiatric patients with LSD.

However, a number of boxes of documents were held back by the CIA, and its refusal to release them was upheld by a court order. I believe that at least these documents contained information about the methodical abuse of children, and I believe that the CIA takes an interest in the False Memory Syndrome Foundation because, like sexual abusers and members of child abuse cabals, it has a vested interest in keeping the lid on.

I do not believe that the current management of the CIA shares the concerns of the officials who are hiding this information. However, it is also true that its disclosure could have unforeseeable effects, which I will discuss when I refer to the way in which this abusive training not only developed alternate personalities, but also ?cracked the cosmic egg? and made some of these children into very unusual beings.

Nevertheless, the unforeseeable are not likely to be devastating, or even particularly dangerous, so it's time for the intelligence community to face up to these abuses, and admit that children were ferociously victimized as well as adults, during and before MK-ULTRA.

I believe that pederasts became involved in these programs, and that they have woven a web of blackmail and intimidation through many areas of government and society in an effort to keep their secrets hidden. So far, I believe that they have been extremely effective, and I wonder if our society will ever have the institutional energy to face this problem and bring it to the surface. There have been a number of past attempts. So far, they have all failed.

Before I continue on, I would like to detail the memories that I have. They are very fragmentary. I would be the last person to say that they represent any sort of a smoking gun. However, one of the problems with dealing with traumatic childhood memories is not present in my recollections. I am aware of the problem of dramatization, and have carefully controlled for it.

Dramatization takes place when a relatively fragmentary memory is elaborated due to the fact that, as the person matures, its emotional content is much more intense than the available memories would seem to justify.

Here's an example: a two year old gets burned on the hand. To a baby, understanding nothing about fire, the pain is inexplicable. And the tender young flesh, filled with new and extremely sensitive nerves, communicates pain vastly more intense than adult care-givers may realize.

A less than sympathetic caregiver, angry at the fact that the child has repeatedly ignored warnings, flies into a rage and beats the child. Initially, the child buries this trauma, largely because the child cannot afford to reject the caregiver upon whom life depends. A few hours later, all appears forgotten.

But, thirty years later, perhaps during a psychotherapy session, the memory emerges, and along with it the volcanic emotions that were evoked at age two. The memory is distorted by time and the baby?s limited understanding that originally captured it. But emotions on this scale couldn't be connected with something so minor as a burned hand, could they? Of course not. So there must be more there. Soon, the nightmares march, as the mind attempts to find events that fit these towering emotions.

Over the course of a few more therapy sessions, mother's moment of weakness becomes a whole childhood of abuse and sadomasochistic torture.

In order to avoid this kind of thing, I am going to confine my description of my memories only to the recollections that came to me spontaneously, suddenly and vividly. I will not include all of the ?filler? that my mind has conjured up to explain the memories, because I simply do not trust it.

However, the memories themselves took place spontaneously and unexpectedly. They were strikingly similar to the memories of buried trauma described in books like Dr. Leonard Shengold?s Soul Murder and Dr. Jennifer Freyd?s Betrayal Trauma.

The first one took place on my first day at a new day camp. It was June of 1948. I was barely three. I had been removed from my very placid kindergarten because the nuns could not control me. This new daycamp had horses, a swimming pool, trampolines and everything a highly active little boy could enjoy. However, on the first day, I was tricked into going naked into a public area during the lunch break. All of the other children, ranging in age from four to twelve, laughed at me. I knew that I was younger than any of them, and now I was being made a fool as well. This agonizing memory has remained burned into my mind since the day it happened.

By itself, it wouldn?t mean much. Perhaps an older child tricked me. Perhaps a teacher misdirected me, or I got lost on my own.

The daycamp has long since been closed down, but a few years ago I went and walked in its ruins. The old concrete bath house where this had happened was still there, and I relived the event again?as well as many other events at the camp, all of them wonderful. I had a terrific time there.

And then, one night thereafter, another memory flashed into my mind. This memory was visual. In it, I am in the living room of a house with one of the teachers from the camp, a woman who I respected and trusted entirely. My relationship with her was very southern. I was raised in an archaic manner with a mammy, and was used to both obeying and controlling adult authority figures who were not my parents. I assumed that this same relationship existed with this woman, so I felt entirely safe and in control of the situation. I would obey her, but she would take me where I wanted to go and let me do as I wished, within limits that she would establish.

A man was there, who I believe was called Dr. Antonio Krause. I have been unable to find any trace of him. They gave me coffee out of a demi-tasse cup, richly sweet coffee. Then I noticed that my teacher was gone. I did not care for the man, who would not speak to me. I went to look for my teacher. I wanted to tell her that it was time for me to go home.

There followed an extraordinary shock. I went into a bedroom and found her tied hand and foot, with a gag in her mouth. Her eyes were terrible to see. A blast of absolute terror went through me. I saw that my control over this situation was false. I ran back into the living room. I demanded that the man take me home.

He stood between me and the front door, blocking my way. At this point, I can remember no more of this incident. I have been trying to do so for years, but there has never been another spontaneous blast like the one I have just described.

The next memory involves this same teacher, another teacher and, once again, Dr. Krause. We drive through the iron gates of a large estate in the school?s station wagon. We are taken onto a sun porch. There are about six of us children. Unfortunately, I remember nothing of the others, except that they were there. We are given stuffed bears and told that they are a gift from Stalin. We are then regaled with stories about how wonderful Stalin is, and how we should all love and respect Stalin. The other children are delighted with their bears. They?re happy to hear about Stalin. I am shocked. I try to explain that Stalin is evil. I won?t touch my bear. I want nothing to do with Stalin or my teachers or anybody else who likes Stalin.

For a long time, that was all of that memory. But then, one summer about four years ago, there occurred another memory that may be connected to it. I think it is what happened to me after I declared myself to be against Stalin. In this memory, I am looking down on myself from above. I am lying in the lap of a figure who appears a number of times in these memories. He is completely blacked out, as if covered by black paint. He is a portly man, and he is spanking me very harshly. I am suffering so much that I have gone out of my body and am watching this from above.

I believe that this was a clumsy, stupid and sadistic test to determine our level of loyalty. Because nothing would convince me to say that Stalin was good, not even a devastating beating, I ?passed? the test. Too bad for me.

In another memory of this dark figure, I am at the house of a childhood friend. I have been stripped of my clothes and I?m terrified. It?s all wrong. Somebody dreadful is there. I run out of the house into the street, holding my clothes in front of me. My friend, a demonic smile on his face, follows. Hiding in the doorway is the dark figure.

I do remember who this friend was. He seems to have no memory of this incident, but he has never really had much contact with me since we were adults. Once he confessed to me that there were things he had done in childhood that he found extremely painful to remember. Other than that, nothing.

Another memory involved going down to Monterrey, Mexico. I remember flying in a wonderful plane at one point, a great, noisy thing that must have been a Ford Trimotor of the Mexican airline. I recall going to a school that was located in a villa in the foothills above the city. This was described to me as a school for brilliant children, and I was quite proud to go there.

I have very little recollection of what happened there. There is one flash of memory of seeing another child holding a bloody saw. I was told that this child had killed somebody with it. The child appeared absolutely terrified. While this person, whom I still know well, seems to have no memory of this incident, she has lived a ruined, disturbed life. She has never been healthy, either physically or mentally. My wife tells me that I have mentioned seeing Jewish babies there, and that I once said that the school was located in a villa owned by somebody connected with the Pan American Sulphur Company. I have no recollection of saying either of these things. The Pan American Sulphur Company did indeed exist, and was once a powerful influence in Mexico.

In general, I have found very little corroboration for these memories, beyond the mysteriously destroyed lives of the people I recall being with. Of the two who were most involved, one is a physical and mental wreck, and there appears to be no reason for it, unless there was conventional child abuse in this person?s life. The other lived a wasted life, dying in his early fifties after he went to the VA hospital with a back injury, and was injected with a lethal dose of steroids.

However, there is one very telling piece of corroborative evidence. Chilling, actually. A few years ago, and some years after the memories described above, I came across information about the Finders controversy. My memories came to me in 1998 and 1999?after I wrote the Secret School, or I would have included them. I discovered the Finders material in 2000.

My memory of going to Monterrey, Mexico predates the discovery of the Finders material. As you will see, this is an important clue, at least in my research into my own personal past.

The story of the Finders is a strange one indeed. It may be the only place where this hidden process involving children was briefly brought to light. On Saturday, February 7, 1987, the Washington Post published an article about a strange case out of Tallahassee, Florida. It seems that six children were observed in a local park and reported to police because they seemed to be in a dirty and unkempt condition. The police found that they were under the care of two men who identified themselves as Douglas E. Ammerman and Michael Houlihan.

These men told police that they were conducting the children to ?a school for brilliant children in Mexico.? The men were charged with child abuse and the children were taken from them, and attempts were made to identify them. The children were traced to a warehouse in Washington, and to a group called the Finders.

There the story ended, for seven years. Then, on December 27, 1993, there appeared in US News and World Report a follow-up story. The story stated that no allegations of abuse were ever proved against the Finders, the charges against the two men were dropped, and the six children were eventually returned to their mothers.

That would have seemed to be the end of it, except in 1993, the Justice Department reopened the investigation into the Finders, saying that there were ?unresolved matters? relating to the Finders. The Washington D.C. police had termed the case ?secret,? and it appeared to investigators that this had been done at the request of the CIA.

Representative Tom Lewis of Florida elaborated. ?Could our own government have something to do with this Finders organization and turned their backs on these children? That?s what all the evidence points to.? He went on. ?And there is a lot of evidence. I can tell you this: we?ve got a lot of people scrambling, and that wouldn?t be happening if there was nothing here.?

Marion David Pettie, the founder of the Finders, maintained that there was no connection between the group and the government, and that the group had never been involved in child abuse.

US News?s sources, however, said that some of the Finders were listed in the FBI?s classified counterintelligence files. Later, all investigations into the Finders were ordered stopped by the Justice Department, as the case was determined to be a national security matter. It was referred back to the CIA.

Since then, silence.

For a detailed account of an effort to investigate the Finders, click here.

I believe that the school in Mexico existed in 1987, and in the early fifties or late forties when I was there. I think that it was in Monterrey. In 2001, I drove through that city, and spent some time attempting to find it. I was unable to make any progress.

What do I think this was all about? I do not believe that it involved pedophilia and sex slavery. I have no memory of such things, and I do not exhibit the behaviors of a person who has suffered childhood sexual abuse. However, I have a rich lode of fragmentary memories of the most horrendous kind, many of them involving Dr. Antonio Krause.

Dr. Krause used to pick me up and take me to classes at a place called South Gate. I believe that we entered the South Gate of Randolph Air Force Base for these classes. At Randolph in the early fifties, Dr. Hubertus Strughold and many other former Nazi scientists worked on aerospace medicine. Dr. Strughold has been called the father of American aerospace medicine. He also headed the Third Reich?s Institute of Aviation Medicine. At Dachau and other places, this institute carried out cold water experiments in which Jews were slowly frozen to death, and hyperbaric experiments in which they were subjected to lower and lower air pressure until they exploded. In these experiments, people routinely died in hideous agony.

Strughold was named Chief Scientist of the USAF Aerospace Medical Division in 1961. He received the Americanism Medal from the Daughters of the American Revolution. In 1985, the Texas Senate declared June 15, 1985 to be Dr. Hubertus Strughold Day.

The Jewish Anti-Defamation League protested when a library at Randolph AFB was named for Dr. Strughold. "Paying tribute to Dr. Strughold was an obscene mockery of the pain and death suffered by his victims," commented ADL National Chairman Richard Strassler. The Air Force changed the name of the library.

My memories of what happened to me at Randolph are so horrific that I can scarcely credit them. I will not repeat the details here, because I cannot tell the degree to which they have been dramatized via the process described above. However, there are a few of those spontaneous, sudden glimpses that seem undistorted.

In the first of these, I am being dressed by my mother, my hair being carefully combed. Suddenly, I see out the front window of her bedroom that Dr. Krause is coming up the front walk. He is wearing a uniform. I know that I am going to the school. Then I see my sister running down the driveway, trying to save herself by going to the neighbors across the street. I run into my own room and get out onto a single story porch roof that abuts the back of the two-story part of the house. I run across this roof and onto another roof. From this roof, I am able to clamber up onto the highest roof. I go up there. I stand there, expecting the visitors to save me, to take me up into the sky. But Dr. Krause comes up on the roof. There is another recollection, which could be from that or any other time, of sitting in the back of an old Dodge?his car?and wishing that the doors hand handles.

This event must have happened after I was nine. Before that age, I would not have been able to get onto the high roof because I didn?t have enough reach to make the climb between levels.

In another snatch of memory, we are leaving the school. I ask where my friend Mike is. Dr. Krause laughingly says ?he?s getting a fast spanking.? I am filled with fear, because I know what this really means. ?Fast? doesn?t mean quick, it means extremely brutal, ?fast? in the sense that the implement of torture is being struck with great speed.

In October of 1952, my immune system shut down, apparently due to extreme stress. I was aged seven years and four months. Anne and I found my second grade report card. It indicates that I was out of school due to ill-health for six weeks. As I recounted in the Secret School, I again became ill in my ninth year, and it was during this illness that I began to have close encounters.

A psychologist I have worked with tells me that she thinks that the close encounters were real, and that they involved literally breaking through into another level of reality in order to escape the hell I was enduring in this one. Modern research suggests that parallel universes may be very real, and that they may exist all around us. (For a story on this, click here.)

I think that making this very type of breakthrough was the purpose of the school. Probably while interrogating and ?testing? Jewish children during the holocaust, people like Krause found that certain strange things would happen to them. I believe that these children would sometimes develop a second personality that could be used by their captors in various ways. I think that this same effect was induced in children here for the purpose, as I have stated above, of creating adults who would be available as unwitting assets to people who knew how to control them.

A woman I met in London when I lived there in 1968, who had survived two years in Nazi death camps, told me some vivid stories. Among them, that the gas chambers were not soundproof, and workers on the outside could hear the screams of those being gassed. ?It sounded like the wailing of a great wind,? she said. She also said this: ?Sometimes, children would disappear.? These were children who were known to have gone into the chamber. But when it was opened, they were not there. At first, the Nazis accused the Jewish kapos of stealing the corpses. Some of these people were broken to bits with clubs and tortured in other ways, but nobody knew where these children had gone.

Among my worst memories, one that has come back to me again and again and again over the course of my life, is of waking up and finding that I am in a coffin. A box. I wake up when I try to move, and my head bounces against the top of the thing. I cannot get out. I?m trapped. The silence is absolute. The air is heavy. Soon, my breathing is agonizing. I?m in torment. But it doesn?t end. It keeps on and on and on. I remain for what seems like hours at the edge of suffocation. I scream, I see demons staring at me, I see angels, I see my grandfather Strieber there, then I see a long horizon, the sun either rising or setting.

At first in fits and starts, I am walking. Then I am walking down a path. There is foliage around me.

The memory ends.

During the Korean war, it was reported that the Chinese used to torture American POWs by pretending to bury them alive. Just enough oxygen would be fed into the coffin to keep the man at the edge of suffocation, until he went mad with the suffering. When they let him out, sometimes, he would end up totally dependent on them.

In other words, they were using the same technique. Where did they get it? From the Russians, perhaps? And where did they get it? We had Project Paperclip to bring Nazis to work in the US, but the Russians imported them in droves.

I have returned to San Antonio, in part, to explore my lost past. Most of what I remember of my childhood is delightful. But there is this dark side that will not go away. Perhaps it?s all dramatization. I don?t know. My parents were good folks. They weren?t perfect, but they certainly would not have allowed what I am describing to happen to me, not if they had known. In fact, I think that they got me out of it when I was about nine or ten, perhaps after years of trying.

Or maybe it never happened at all. I cannot discount that fact. Looking back, it seems impossible that anything so outlandish could have happened to me. But then there is this: About two months ago, Anne and I were going to meet my brother out near Randolph. I had not been there in years, not since those days, in fact. We did not go onto the base.

Coming home down IH-35, something very odd happened. I was driving along the crowded, eight-lane interstate when I suddenly found myself on an empty two-lane road surrounded by farmer?s fields. For a moment, I was completely disoriented. How had we gotten here? What happened to the interstate? Anne had not even been aware of going off the highway. She was as surprised as me.

Then I realized where I had gone. At the end of this road lay South Gate, the south entrance to Randolph. I was going down a road I had last traveled as a little boy, deep in the mystery of my childhood, in the lost past. I realized that, back in those days, you could have gotten from my daycamp to that place inside of twenty minutes. Or from our house in under half an hour.

I could not continue on, not then. I turned around. But I felt my past calling me, the little boy in the box pleading that by some miracle he will get to enjoy the life God gave him. I looked at the woman beside me. I took her hand.

Added 8 October, 2006: This journal was intended originally to be continued. I never did so, because I just don't know what to make of these memories. Can they be real? If they aren't, then why do I remember being taken to a school in Monterry, Mexico, for super bright children, a school at which horrific things happened, and then seeing this same claim made by the two men who were stopped in Tallahassee with a van load of tattered children in 1985?

I just don't know, honestly. But I strongly suspect that the United States has for years been experimenting on children, among other things subjecting them to extreme trauma in order to split their personalities and create secondary personalities who can be accessed by controllers and used as agents, but without knowledge of the first personality.

There was a book written some years ago, the Plutonium Files, by Eileen Welsome, which won a Pulitzer Prize and led to the United States government apologizing to and compensating people who had been exposed to plutonium in outrageous and extraordinarily cruel experiments.

What has been done to children is even more cruel, and because the people involved have also engaged in pederasty--probably not sanctioned by their official employers--an extreme effort has been made to conceal this abuse behind the usual campaign of disinformation and lies that our government uses whenever it is in trouble.

We urgently need a competent investigative reporter to look into this matter. I am sure that much of the record has been destroyed. But there must be people with better documented stories than my own, who can be found and induced to come forward.

But, above all, our responsible media, such as the New York Times, the Washington Post and all the other important papers, the news magazines and blogs, and the broadcast media, need to stop listening to the blather of cover organizations such as, in all probability, the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, and start looking under this rock in a determined and professional manner.

Our government has fallen off a moral precipice in this matter. It needs to be reminded that it belongs to the people, not the people to it, and that our children are sacred.

http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=255



And Strieber on The Finders...


What About the Children?
Wednesday October 4th, 2006


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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby nathan28 » Wed May 26, 2010 3:55 pm

Simulist wrote:MKULTRA was very real (and almost certainly still is, under whatever name it continues to operate under).


IIRC it was ARTICHOKE ===> MK-ULTRA ===> MK-SEARCH

My intuition is that the interest in the mind-control milieu waned in the latter years of the Cold War. Michael Aquino, of all people, penned an official (?) memo circa 1981 (?) that ridiculed remote viewing... which is odd for a person who claims to talk in actuality to disembodied Egyptian gods. I would be surprised if there was still something of the experimental nature that ARTICHOKE and MK-ULTRA took going on, as opposed to the more 'applied' mind control they have going on, e.g., with "enhanced interrogation".
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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby Simulist » Wed May 26, 2010 4:03 pm

Children were absolutely and positively subjects of MKULTRA and related programs.

And although Whitley Strieber writes compellingly about this, issues surrounding his own credibility do exist, and make his voice a problematic one.
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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby Project Willow » Wed May 26, 2010 4:34 pm

nathan28 wrote:
Simulist wrote:MKULTRA was very real (and almost certainly still is, under whatever name it continues to operate under).


IIRC it was ARTICHOKE ===> MK-ULTRA ===> MK-SEARCH

My intuition is that the interest in the mind-control milieu waned in the latter years of the Cold War. Michael Aquino, of all people, penned an official (?) memo circa 1981 (?) that ridiculed remote viewing... which is odd for a person who claims to talk in actuality to disembodied Egyptian gods. I would be surprised if there was still something of the experimental nature that ARTICHOKE and MK-ULTRA took going on, as opposed to the more 'applied' mind control they have going on, e.g., with "enhanced interrogation".


No, that is not correct Nathan. You should read Albarelli's article at least.

MK/ULTRA was the research wing of mind control programs, Artichoke ran concurrently and was the operational wing. Albarelli makes a very good case that Artichoke served as source for the "enhanced interrogation" now in use.

I'm not going to bother pitting witness testimony against your intuition, but why you mention remote viewing as emblematic of the mind control milieu, I do not understand.
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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby Project Willow » Wed May 26, 2010 4:41 pm

Simulist wrote:Children were absolutely and positively subjects of MKULTRA and related programs.

And although Whitley Strieber writes compellingly about this, issues surrounding his own credibility do exist, and make his voice a problematic one.


Yes, I appreciate greatly Elfis' reminder that just because the NAME Project Monarch is bogus does not mean that trauma-based conditioning programs and numerous other medical and behavioral experimentation programs involving children did not exist.

However, I agree that links to Strieber could lead folks down some strange and ultimately discrediting trails, even if the initial info might be good and useful.
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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby elfismiles » Wed May 26, 2010 5:49 pm

Project Willow wrote:
Simulist wrote:Children were absolutely and positively subjects of MKULTRA and related programs.

And although Whitley Strieber writes compellingly about this, issues surrounding his own credibility do exist, and make his voice a problematic one.


Yes, I appreciate greatly Elfis' reminder that just because the NAME Project Monarch is bogus does not mean that trauma-based conditioning programs and numerous other medical and behavioral experimentation programs involving children did not exist.

However, I agree that links to Strieber could lead folks down some strange and ultimately discrediting trails, even if the initial info might be good and useful.


Ditto!

I'm just constantly trying to find those refs he made to children used in MK research and I recall it was he who first alerted me to the Sunshine Projects uncovering of such.
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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby nathan28 » Wed May 26, 2010 6:16 pm

Project Willow wrote:
nathan28 wrote:
Simulist wrote:MKULTRA was very real (and almost certainly still is, under whatever name it continues to operate under).


IIRC it was ARTICHOKE ===> MK-ULTRA ===> MK-SEARCH

My intuition is that the interest in the mind-control milieu waned in the latter years of the Cold War. Michael Aquino, of all people, penned an official (?) memo circa 1981 (?) that ridiculed remote viewing... which is odd for a person who claims to talk in actuality to disembodied Egyptian gods. I would be surprised if there was still something of the experimental nature that ARTICHOKE and MK-ULTRA took going on, as opposed to the more 'applied' mind control they have going on, e.g., with "enhanced interrogation".


No, that is not correct Nathan. You should read Albarelli's article at least.

MK/ULTRA was the research wing of mind control programs, Artichoke ran concurrently and was the operational wing. Albarelli makes a very good case that Artichoke served as source for the "enhanced interrogation" now in use.




I'm willing to be wrong on this, hence the couched language. According to the Church Committee (http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/book1/html/ChurchB1_0198a.htm), it was

Project CHATTER 1947-1953
BLUEBIRD/ARTICHOKE 1950-1956

The CIA maintains that [ARTICHOKE] ended in 1956, but evidence suggests that the Office of Security and Office of Medical Services use of "special interrogation" techniques continued for several years thereafter.


MKNAOMI 1950-1970 (appears to be strictly poison/biological weapon research)
MKULTRA 1953-late '60s

MK-ULTRA and ARTICHOKE were both formally ended prior to that 1975 conference Albarelli mentions. That doesn't mean the "mind control"--i.e., torture--research programs ended. But a family resemblance, even a project lineage, doesn't mean we can slapdash throw them all under the heading of one specific project. The Dormouse meeting, the way I read it, was to discuss a limited hang-out on programs that had ended but would regardless present serious issues. This was before Iran-Contra proved that Americans actually don't give a shit about treasonous sabotage of hostage negotiations on the part of unelected presidential candidates or about the gov't destroying the inner cities with crack cocaine, so they'd be reason in the halls of power to worry, I speculate. But back to the projects, even "the Artichoke family of projects" would do better. What I mean to say is that if it comes to light at some point that present-day torture "interrogations" are in fact part of formal and coordinated effort, it's not going to be called "Project Artichoke" in any of the documents that reveal as much. I don't think this is nitpicking.

EDIT: That's wrong. See memo here (PDF). http://thememewar.com/CIA/artichokememorandum.pdf

I'm going to speculate that if I was going to, e.g., kidnap a pacifist of Mediterranean descent from the Rosicrucians, torture him to total nervous breakdown and hypnotize him to assassinate a presidential candidate, I'd make sure it happened outside of any program with a discrete project name. Compartmentalization and all that.

I'm not going to bother pitting witness testimony against your intuition, but why you mention remote viewing as emblematic of the mind control milieu, I do not understand.


The latest date I see mentioned in the 1995 testimony, which is the only testimony I'm familiar with, is 1984. I understand that there has been some testimony in open courts but it would be behind PACER's paywall so it's not really publicly available, and the last time I asked about that, someone accused me of fishing for information for the forces of evil, despite the fact that you can walk into most courtrooms today without much of a hassle. Regardless, if you include the SRA cases--notwithstanding what appear to be more 'isolated' incidents like the recent Texas or Missouri cases--then it's the late '80s/early '90s. I'm willing to acknowledge that the silence since then is predicated on the discrediting that followed the McMartin case. At the same time I'm wary to associate SRA closely with gov't "experiments"--i.e., torture--for reasons that should be obvious.

It is, however, clear that children were involved in the earlier "experimentation"--i.e., torture--so there would be no reason to assume it ended then. I'm just not aware of anything that falls on the 'indisputable' side of the clear, bright line.

The reason I associate mind control with remote viewing (and Aquino) is because both are attempts to unlock some "secret of the mind" while completely ignoring the obvious. It is the same turn to the occult. Hypnosis? There isn't even a clear understanding of what hypnosis is, just mutually-exclusive theories, so resorting to it in a supposedly scientific program shows that it isn't. With "mind control" this is especially pernicious because it is nothing more than torture, and like torture always does, it pretends to be something else.
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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby operator kos » Wed May 26, 2010 6:59 pm

Nobody has ever seen the Queen in her lizard form. Nobody has ever reported the least whiff of a suggestion that the president knew about or caused the attack on America.


What in the FLYING LOVE OF FUCK is (s)he talking about? There have been numerous highly credible insiders from the U.S. intelligence circle who have said point blank that 9/11 was intentionally allowed to happen, and have the first hand knowledge to back it up. Although this, and the conflation of 9/11 research with Ickeian lizard people, makes me think the author is a moron or a shill, I'm still going to read the rest of the article for the supposed MK info. Does the author just feel a need to distance him/herself from conspiracy theories in general to establish their own credibility and skepticism? I am HIGHLY suspicious of this source.

On EDIT: On following the link, I see that Whitley Strieber himself is the source of this dreck, which only further confirms my opinion of him.
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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby operator kos » Wed May 26, 2010 9:46 pm

The Boy in a Box article is much better, though. I've heard it summarized before, but it was interesting to read the whole thing. I'm not sure what his back-up is for assertions like this:

I do not think that it resulted in much long-term success. If that had been the case, the United States would not have seen its covert intelligence operation fail during the seventies and eighties, and would never have had to turn to electronic eavesdropping as its primary means of gathering intelligence.


but nevertheless, it seems like a cautious and reasoned accounting of confusing memories.
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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby Nordic » Thu May 27, 2010 2:18 am

I just want to know what this means in regards to Miley Cyrus.
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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu May 27, 2010 2:39 am

Nordic wrote:I just want to know what this means in regards to Miley Cyrus.

Miley Cyrus is a creature of CIA-Disney.
Her role is to glamorize dual identity to girls and thus make being a spook seem fun.
See 'honeypot.'

There's been heavy spook recruiting of women over the last ten years to take advantage of their more sophisticated brains and co-opt the gender gap on militarism.
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Re: No evidence of a project named "Project Monarch"

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu May 27, 2010 2:42 am

Dr. Colin Ross documented the use of children in mind control experiments in his 2000 book, 'Bluebird: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality.'

And the spook media has been putting out decoys for decades on this topic to keep us from taking it seriously.
That's quite a confirmation.
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