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The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:26 pm

The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger by Chris Hedges
Posted on June 7, 2010 by dandelionsalad

by Chris Hedges
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June 7, 2010
Tens of millions of Americans, lumped into a diffuse and fractious movement known as the Christian right, have begun to dismantle the intellectual and scientific rigor of the Enlightenment. They are creating a theocratic state based on “biblical law,” and shutting out all those they define as the enemy. This movement, veering closer and closer to traditional fascism, seeks to force a recalcitrant world to submit before an imperial America. It champions the eradication of social deviants, beginning with homosexuals, and moving on to immigrants, secular humanists, feminists, Jews, Muslims and those they dismiss as “nominal Christians”—meaning Christians who do not embrace their perverted and heretical interpretation of the Bible. Those who defy the mass movement are condemned as posing a threat to the health and hygiene of the country and the family. All will be purged.
The followers of deviant faiths, from Judaism to Islam, must be converted or repressed. The deviant media, the deviant public schools, the deviant entertainment industry, the deviant secular humanist government and judiciary and the deviant churches will be reformed or closed. There will be a relentless promotion of Christian “values,” already under way on Christian radio and television and in Christian schools, as information and facts are replaced with overt forms of indoctrination. The march toward this terrifying dystopia has begun. It is taking place on the streets of Arizona, on cable news channels, at tea party rallies, in the Texas public schools, among militia members and within a Republican Party that is being hijacked by this lunatic fringe.
Elizabeth Dilling, who wrote “The Red Network” and was a Nazi sympathizer, is touted as required reading by trash-talk television hosts like Glenn Beck. Thomas Jefferson, who favored separation of church and state, is ignored in Christian schools and soon will be ignored in Texas public school textbooks. The Christian right hails the “significant contributions” of the Confederacy. Sen. Joseph McCarthy, who led the anti-communist witch hunts of the 1950s, has been rehabilitated, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is defined as part of the worldwide battle against Islamic terror. Legislation like the new Jim Crow laws of Arizona is being considered by 17 other states.
The rise of this Christian fascism, a rise we ignore at our peril, is being fueled by an ineffectual and bankrupt liberal class that has proved to be unable to roll back surging unemployment, protect us from speculators on Wall Street, or save our dispossessed working class from foreclosures, bankruptcies and misery. The liberal class has proved useless in combating the largest environmental disaster in our history, ending costly and futile imperial wars or stopping the corporate plundering of the nation. And the gutlessness of the liberal class has left it, and the values it represents, reviled and hated.
The Democrats have refused to repeal the gross violations of international and domestic law codified by the Bush administration. This means that Christian fascists who achieve power will have the “legal” tools to spy on, arrest, deny habeas corpus to, and torture or assassinate American citizens—as does the Obama administration.
Those who remain in a reality-based world often dismiss these malcontents as buffoons and simpletons. They do not take seriously those, like Beck, who pander to the primitive yearnings for vengeance, new glory and moral renewal. Critics of the movement continue to employ the tools of reason, research and fact to challenge the absurdities propagated by creationists who think they will float naked into the heavens when Jesus returns to Earth. The magical thinking, the flagrant distortion in interpreting the Bible, the contradictions that abound within the movement’s belief system and the laughable pseudoscience, however, are impervious to reason. We cannot convince those in the movement to wake up. It is we who are asleep.
Those who embrace this movement see life as an epic battle against forces of evil and Satanism. The world is black and white. They need to feel, even if they are not, that they are victims surrounded by dark and sinister groups bent on their destruction. They need to believe they know the will of God and can fulfill it, especially through violence. They need to sanctify their rage, a rage that lies at the core of the ideology. They seek total cultural and political domination. They are using the space within the open society to destroy it. These movements work within the confining rules of the secular state because they have no choice. The intolerance they promote is muted in the public assurances of their slickest operators. Given enough power, and they are working hard to get it, any such cooperation will vanish. The demand for total control and for a Christian nation and the refusal to permit any dissent are on display within their inner sanctums. These pastors have established within their churches tiny, despotic fiefdoms, and they seek to replicate these little tyrannies on a larger scale.
Many of the tens of millions within the Christian right live on the edge of poverty. The Bible, interpreted for them by pastors whose connection with God means they cannot be questioned, is their handbook for daily life. The rigidity and simplicity of their belief are potent weapons in the fight against their own demons and the struggle to keep their lives on track. The reality-based world, one where Satan, miracles, destiny, angels and magic did not exist, battered them like driftwood. It took their jobs and destroyed their future. It rotted their communities. It flooded their lives with alcohol, drugs, physical violence, deprivation and despair. And then they discovered that God has a plan for them. God will save them. God intervenes in their lives to promote and protect them. The emotional distance they have traveled from the real world to the world of Christian fantasy is immense. And the rational, secular forces, those that speak in the language of fact and evidence, are hated and ultimately feared, for they seek to pull believers back into “the culture of death” that nearly destroyed them.
There are wild contradictions within this belief system. Personal independence is celebrated alongside an abject subservience to leaders who claim to speak for God. The movement says it defends the sanctity of life and advocates the death penalty, militarism, war and righteous genocide. It speaks of love and promotes fear of damnation and hate. There is a terrifying cognitive dissonance in every word they utter.
The movement is, for many, an emotional life raft. It is all that holds them together. But the ideology, while it regiments and orders lives, is merciless. Those who deviate from the ideology, including “backsliders” who leave these church organizations, are branded as heretics and subjected to little inquisitions, which are the natural outgrowth of messianic movements. If the Christian right seizes the legislative, executive and judicial branches of government, these little inquisitions will become big inquisitions.
The cult of masculinity pervades the movement. Feminism and homosexuality, believers are told, have rendered the American male physically and spiritually impotent. Jesus, for the Christian right, is a muscular man of action, casting out demons, battling the Antichrist, attacking hypocrites and castigating the corrupt. This cult of masculinity, with its glorification of violence, is deeply appealing to those who feel disempowered and humiliated. It vents the rage that drove many people into the arms of the movement. It encourages them to lash back at those who, they are told, seek to destroy them. The paranoia about the outside world is stoked through bizarre conspiracy theories, many championed in books such as Pat Robertson’s “The New World Order,” a xenophobic rant that includes attacks on liberals and democratic institutions.
The obsession with violence pervades the popular novels by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins. In their apocalyptic novel, “Glorious Appearing,” based on LaHaye’s interpretation of biblical prophecies about the Second Coming, Christ returns and eviscerates the flesh of millions of nonbelievers with the sound of his voice. There are long descriptions of horror and blood, of how “the very words of the Lord had superheated their blood, causing it to burst through their veins and skin.” Eyes disintegrate. Tongues melt. Flesh dissolves. The Left Behind series, of which this novel is a part, contains the best-selling adult novels in the country.
Violence must be used to cleanse the world. These Christian fascists are called to a perpetual state of war. “Any teaching of peace prior to [Christ’s] return is heresy…” says televangelist James Robinson.
Natural disasters, terrorist attacks, instability in Israel and even the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are seen as glorious signposts. The war in Iraq is predicted, believers insist, in the ninth chapter of the Book of Revelations, where four angels “which are bound in the great river Euphrates will be released to slay the third part of men.” The march is inevitable and irreversible and requires everyone to be ready to fight, kill and perhaps die. Global war, even nuclear war, is not to be feared, but welcomed as the harbinger of the Second Coming. And leading the avenging armies is an angry, violent Messiah who dooms hundreds of millions of apostates to a horrible and gruesome death.
The Christian right, while embracing a form of primitivism, seeks the imprint of law and science to legitimate its absurd mythologies. Its members seek this imprint because, despite their protestations to the contrary, they are a distinctly modern, totalitarian movement. They seek to co-opt the pillars of the Enlightenment in order to abolish the Enlightenment. Creationism, or “intelligent design,” like eugenics for the Nazis or “Soviet” science for Stalin, must be introduced into the mainstream as a valid scientific discipline—hence the rewriting of textbooks. The Christian right defends itself in the legal and scientific jargon of modernity. Facts and opinions, once they are used “scientifically” to support the irrational, become interchangeable. Reality is no longer based on the gathering of facts and evidence. It is based on ideology. Facts are altered. Lies become true. Hannah Arendt called it “nihilistic relativism,” although a better phrase might be collective insanity.
The Christian right has, for this reason, its own creationist “scientists” who use the language of science to promote anti-science. It has fought successfully to have creationist books sold in national park bookstores at the Grand Canyon and taught in public schools in states such as Texas, Louisiana and Arkansas. Creationism shapes the worldview of hundreds of thousands of students in Christian schools and colleges. This pseudoscience claims to have proved that all animal species, or at least their progenitors, fit on Noah’s ark. It challenges research in AIDS and pregnancy prevention. It corrupts and discredits the disciplines of biology, astronomy, geology, paleontology and physics.
Once creationists can argue on the same platform as geologists, asserting that the Grand Canyon was not created 6 billion years ago but 6,000 years ago by the great flood that lifted up Noah’s ark, we have lost. The acceptance of mythology as a legitimate alternative to reality is a body blow to the rational, secular state. The destruction of rational and empirically based belief systems is fundamental to the creation of all totalitarian ideologies. Certitude, for those who could not cope with the uncertainty of life, is one of the most powerful appeals of the movement. Dispassionate intellectual inquiry, with its constant readjustments and demand for evidence, threatens certitude. For this reason incertitude must be abolished.
“What convinces masses are not facts,” Arendt wrote in “Origins of Totalitarianism,” “and not even invented facts, but only the consistency of the system which they are presumably part. Repetition, somewhat overrated in importance because of the common belief in the masses’ inferior capacity to grasp and remember, is important because it convinces them of consistency in time.”
Augustine defined the grace of love as Volo ut sis—I want you to be. There is, he wrote, an affirmation of the mystery of the other in relationships based on love, an affirmation of unexplained and unfathomable differences. Relationships based on love recognize that others have a right to be. These relationships accept the sacredness of difference. This acceptance means that no one individual or belief system captures or espouses an absolute truth. All struggle, in their own way, some outside of religious systems and some within them, to interpret mystery and transcendence.
The sacredness of the other is anathema for the Christian right, which cannot acknowledge the legitimacy of other ways of being and believing. If other belief systems, including atheism, have moral validity, the infallibility of the movement’s doctrine, which constitutes its chief appeal, is shattered. There can be no alternative ways to think or to be. All alternatives must be crushed.
Ideological, theological and political debates are useless with the Christian right. It does not respond to a dialogue. It is impervious to rational thought and discussion. The naive attempts to placate a movement bent on our destruction, to prove to it that we too have “values,” only strengthens its legitimacy and weakness our own. If we do not have a right to be, if our very existence is not legitimate in the eyes of God, there can be no dialogue. At this point it is a fight for survival.
Those gathered into the arms of this Christian fascist movement are desperately struggling to survive in an increasingly hostile environment. We failed them; we owe them more: This is their response. The financial dislocations, the struggles with domestic and sexual abuse, the battle against addictions, the poverty and the despair that many in the movement endure are tragic, painful and real. They have a right to their rage and alienation. But they are also being used and manipulated by forces that seek to dismantle what is left of our democracy and abolish the pluralism that was once the hallmark of our society.
The spark that could set this conflagration ablaze could be lying in the hands of a small Islamic terrorist cell. It could be in the hands of greedy Wall Street speculators who gamble with taxpayer money in the elaborate global system of casino capitalism. The next catastrophic attack, or the next economic meltdown, could be our Reichstag fire. It could be the excuse used by these totalitarian forces, this Christian fascism, to extinguish what remains of our open society.
Let us not stand meekly at the open gates of the city waiting passively for the barbarians. They are coming. They are slouching toward Bethlehem. Let us shake off our complacency and cynicism. Let us openly defy the liberal establishment, which will not save us, to demand and fight for economic reparations for our working class. Let us reincorporate these dispossessed into our economy. Let us give them a reality-based hope for the future. Time is running out. If we do not act, American fascists, clutching Christian crosses, waving American flags and orchestrating mass recitations of the Pledge of Allegiance, will use this rage to snuff us out.
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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby josey wales » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:23 pm

Ok, I like Hedges on a lot of topics but I think he is beginning to lose it. This whole "Christian Right" as a boogey man is over done to say the least. Fascism, yes, and perhaps a very thin and temporary veneer of Christianity to make it more palatable with a larger segment of the population, perhaps but Theocracy, no.

It is obvious that many so-called conservative Christians are simply being used to further the agenda of the PTB. This is only momentary, however. When we (they) are no longer needed they will be dropped like a hot rock. It is common knowledge among people inside the beltway that many of Bush's aides mocked much of what passes for the Christian Right but went along because their boss needed their votes. The proof is in the pudding. The main issues for most of the Christian Right are no further along than they were in 1980 and many have been lost, perhaps for a generation.

This is part and parcel to the oldest game in town which is keep everyone split into two 'controlled' camps. There is a controlled Left and Right and those are portrayed as the only games in town by the controlled media. Anything outside the boundaries is ignored or killed off. My, lord, Rush had Elton John sing at his FOURTH wedding. How in the HELL is that Christian/Family values!

People, including a lot of Christians are beginning to wake up and realize things are not the way Rush and the rest of the gas bags tell them they are. We need more people on the Left to do the same thing and stop attacking anyone that does not agree with them. We can agree to disagree and in the end it may mean we need more than one country to live peaceably but that is a small price to pay for liberty. Frankly, I don't think it is a 'price' at all. I think it would be much better and people could live their lives the way they saw fit and 'tend their own gardens'.
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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby stefano » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:10 pm

I don't know, Josey... Admittedly I'm not there, but that whole movement really frightens me. Keep in mind that the phenomenon of elites rousing popular rage and then being unable to keep a lid on it has precedence, ask Robespierre.
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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby crikkett » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:59 am

josey wales wrote:People, including a lot of Christians are beginning to wake up and realize things are not the way Rush and the rest of the gas bags tell them they are.


You can thank broadband for that, I think. It fosters curiosity.

By the way I don't cross a byline reading "Chris Hedges" anymore. He's a performer.
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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:33 am

I agree with Hedges. It is much worse than you think, Josey, IMO.

Tuesday was the primary election in Iowa to select party nominees for the November ballot.

I was hanging out at the polls, checking in on things in the afternoon, and got into a conversation with a poll worker.

Female, late 30s or early 40s, medium height, average build, blond. Very friendly. We talked about the races on the ballot, why there were more Republican ballots than Democrats this time around. She started offering information on her own political views.

She tells me she's a Republican, but she just loves Democrat Bruce Braley. Her husband is in the army, was getting paid improperly, fought through red tape for months and in desperation called their representative in US House District 1. A call from Braley's office with his name dropped had the problem solved in 15 minutes. She was ecstatic. Just loved the guy. But, she said, she wasn't sure she could vote for him, since he is in the wrong political party.

Then she told me she doesn't like Obama.
No? Why not?

"I don't think he was born in this country."

"Oh," I say, pausing. "I have to ask you, why do you think that? I mean, I've heard that claim. I went on the Internet and looked at what's supposed to be a copy of his birth certificate - why do you think he was born in another country?"

" ... I don't know. I just do. That's what I think."

"But, I mean, is there any evidence that makes you think that? What would it take to convince you he was born here? Hawaii was getting so many requests for copies of his birth certificate they had to pass a special law."

"I don't have any evidence. I just don't think he was born here," she replied, shrugging.

"And," she adds after a silence, "I know they say he converted to Christianity-"

"You think he's a Muslim?" I asked, interrupting.

"Yes."

"What makes you think that?"

"I just think he is."

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The thing that honestly, truly and deeply frightens me about a conversation like this is not that this woman was a poll worker, who ostensibly follows politics a little more than the rest, or that she is forming her conclusions without evidence or logical thought process and is completely aware of that fact, or that I suspect her believing Obama is a foreign-born Muslim likely has something to do with racial animosity at the thought of a black president, or anything else.

What scares me is that this woman is not rare. She is not an oddity. There are HORDES of people who "think," or more accurately, feel, this way. They live all around me. While pleasantly conversational most of the time and full of Midwestern friendliness, they are politically and socially brainwashed by various television and radio personalities.

The only unusual thing about this woman is she is a little younger than most of the otherwise "nice, little old ladies" in the Midwest who have said the same things to me on various occasions for the last 2 years. The males that fall into this category typically argue for dropping nuclear bombs on brown people everywhere and stopping the gay recruitment conspiracy in our schools, when they're not busy blaming the failed economy on "welfare moms" and loans to black people.

And they are mobilizing a political will that will have more force than the Democratic Party or the barely-existent American left has shown in my current incarnation on this Earth (approximately 3 decades).
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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby 82_28 » Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:47 am

I just heard this on NPR(!). It was quite good. Too bad one must purchase the download in order to hear it. I'll see if I can dig it up somewhere else.

http://alternativeradio.org/programs/GUPA002.shtml
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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby Simulist » Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:19 am

The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Well, some of 'em have been working out!

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(And seriously, thanks for your post, Mentalgongfu2. I think you're right.)
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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby Sounder » Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:22 am

If I remember correctly I have liked Hedges in the past, but this sounds more like flame bait. (So the article was not closely read.)
(And maybe they are growing stronger, but it's a cyclical thing and will be its own undoing.)

Josey Wales wrote…
It is obvious that many so-called conservative Christians are simply being used to further the agenda of the PTB.

Well I gotta give props to the PTMB, because George Bush is no more conservative than Mr. Obama is liberal. Yet both of them effectively neutered the thinking element and enabled the non-thinking element of their respective ‘parties’.


We can agree to disagree and in the end it may mean we need more than one country to live peaceably but that is a small price to pay for liberty. Frankly, I don't think it is a 'price' at all. I think it would be much better and people could live their lives the way they saw fit and 'tend their own gardens'.

I feel like the different styles of mentality will more likely become reconciled by living together rather than apart. My own daughter is both religious and conservative and we get along just fine. (I know, it's still a scandal.)

(we ought to go into the liberty issue some time.)
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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby Simulist » Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:00 pm

Sounder wrote:If I remember correctly I have liked Hedges in the past, but this sounds more like flame bait. (So the article was not closely read.)
(And maybe they are growing stronger, but it's a cyclical thing and will be its own undoing.)

I agree that this has been a cyclical thing. It will probably also remain a cyclical thing — just as long as nothing interrupts the cycle.

But if an even worse economic downturn happens, and intractable misery becomes widespread, then watch out.
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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby Sounder » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:56 pm

Simulist wrote...
I agree that this has been a cyclical thing. It will probably also remain a cyclical thing — just as long as nothing interrupts the cycle.

Right, but what people do on both sides is to maintain the cycles in the name of ‘interrupting’ the cycles. Actually interrupting rather than perpetuating would require some serious reorientation of personal identity,-and who wants to do that? Instead we live with our split psyches, so cleanly marketed by the Jesuits’. Conservatives sneer at liberals that ‘think they can design some perfect world’ while liberals sneer back in wonderment at the lack of care for the suffering of others. I relate to the sentiments going both ways but don’t much care for sneering in either direction.

Conservatives have their pretensions played to by religion as it assures the people about the true source of ‘order’. Foundation (banker) money in turn shapes the secular pretence that order abides in the material only.

Because ones psyche needs some kind of balance conservative’s value liberty in the physical while liberals find their liberty in the spiritual. But that is all a crock up if the spiritual and the material are the same thing. (That may be a formal materialism.)

Meanwhile corp/con backroom operations denigrate bankers and govt. while the bankers and old foundation money establish more need for govt. money.

If we became conscious about how our buttons are pushed, we might learn to develop better defenses.
But if an even worse economic downturn happens, and intractable misery becomes widespread, then watch out.

First off and only slightly kidding, unless you are a part of a fairly narrow group, history has never exactly been a bed of roses. Sure we western parasites are soft so things may quickly appear as intractable misery. But hell, who knows what great developments might grow out of that misery.

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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby Simulist » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:21 am

Sounder wrote:Simulist wrote...
I agree that this has been a cyclical thing. It will probably also remain a cyclical thing — just as long as nothing interrupts the cycle.

Right, but what people do on both sides is to maintain the cycles in the name of ‘interrupting’ the cycles. Actually interrupting rather than perpetuating would require some serious reorientation of personal identity,-and who wants to do that? Instead we live with our split psyches, so cleanly marketed by the Jesuits’.

I respect your opinion, and it may even turn out that you're right (and I hope that it does), but I have to confess serious skepticism. I think the tendency is to overestimate just how "oriented" personal identity really is on the spiritual level in many, many people. It takes surprisingly less discomfort to "reorient" many of those identities back to their default, childlike forms than perhaps many people may realize.

What follows is not true for everyone of course — but it is true for enough people (too many, perhaps) that it causes me concern for many of the reasons Hedges writes about.

When life is manageable, personas can be easily manageable too — and maintainable. (Often these personas are even convincing to the very people who are maintaining them.) Such personal, spiritual identities as have evolved from childhood, through adolescence, and on into adulthood can seem perfectly operative and dominant. But when tragedy suddenly strikes — especially when it causes the fabric of life to begin unexpectedly unraveling, cracks and fissures in personal identity can also suddenly begin to reveal themselves in places where they have existed all along, but had remained unseen.

And that's when any latent disorientation can begin to affect spiritual identity — which is of course what I was alluding to in my earlier post.

The Christian religion has, unfortunately, done a notably masterful job in many, many cases of breaking spirits very early on in life, convincing children that they are inherently flawed creatures in critical need of repentance — and that if they do not repent and remain manipulable and "faithful," they face personal destruction. As people grow into adulthood and away from that kind of thinking, it is easy to suppose that this early programming is only an artifact of the past. It often isn't, as many people come to realize.

So when external conditions suddenly take over, interrupting established and carefully maintained lives, even people who might never have imagined themselves regressing sometimes begin to suppose that their misfortunes really are due to that "wrathful deity" they had supposed had been well put behind them. At these critical moments, a surprising number of people become also surprisingly manipulable as they desperately scramble for answers and a ready means of alleviating the suffering that has fallen so suddenly upon them.

The Christian fascists Hedges refers to have laid the groundwork for conditions like this quite unlike many other groups in America (maybe there is no other comparable group). I do not underestimate the potency of desperate conditions and several other factors alluded to above in "reorienting" all sorts of people into the former, childlike stages of themselves that predatory religion counts upon to follow its lead.
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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby Sounder » Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:57 am

I think the tendency is to overestimate just how "oriented" personal identity really is on the spiritual level in many, many people.

Right, very few are oriented on the spiritual level, but there is a counterfeit orientation for both Salvationist and self-abdignationist thinking.

They are fake because they are self centered rather than being in service to Source, or what brought us to the dance. A third group of folk, driven by fellowship, are far larger but they are not validated within our split picture of reality, so they languish while the megaphones are grabbed by extremists.

This situation will only change when we change the basis for the processing of our perceptions. That is, when we create or adopt a new psychical conditioning system that does not split reality, then the heroic effort trying to stuff the gap that is an artificial construct to begin with can be saved and put to productive use.

The big inhibition here though is that both the Salvationists and self-abdignationists have shaped their identity around a split reality.
So these types, while appearing as enemies on the surface, are allies underneath.

And I dare say this is more worthy of examination than the donkey that we are determined to pin the tail on, -while blind.
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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby Sounder » Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:33 am

Simulist I apologize as my words did nothing to engage the points you are trying to make.
Simulist wrote...
It takes surprisingly less discomfort to "reorient" many of those identities back to their default, childlike forms than perhaps many people may realize.

I’m not sure about the going back to their default childlike form, because it doesn’t seem like many people get far past it anyway. Along with that, I would say that people don’t become, but in fact, have always been very impressionable and prone to communal fashions.

At these critical moments, a surprising number of people become also surprisingly manipulable as they desperately scramble for answers and a ready means of alleviating the suffering that has fallen so suddenly upon them.

I agree and share concerns about trauma being used to reset ones mode of expressions into a proxy funnel that will then be used to further manipulate the masses. The reset will happen and no doubt interested parties want the reset to further entrench rather than displace existing pretences. But it’s our beliefs and pretences that splits reality and creates the need for the reset.

Maybe we move forward, maybe we regress on the reset, but options for the former will not be presented by currently empowered institutions. It will not come from Peter Singer or Chris Hedges any more than it will come from Pat Robertson.

Unconsciously people want to pull away from this shallow pool of either/or, but resisting the pull will require new foundations to tie our ropes to.

This seems like work that only outsiders can do.

Also our options are not as narrow as either ‘side’ of our cultural debates would have us believe, and a sophisticated analysis will do more than lay blame for ignorance at the feet of religion or secularism alone.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby Sounder » Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:34 am

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Re: The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

Postby Simulist » Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:39 pm

Sounder wrote:Simulist I apologize as my words did nothing to engage the points you are trying to make.

I wouldn't say that. It's a vast subject, and much deeper than any single person's point of view.

Your observations are another valid look at the equation.
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