House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:06 pm

But why would they bother doing that, chig? The seat is securely DeMint's, if Rawl had been the challenger, he just would have gotten the pro-forma party loyalty vote, whatever that is.

And Greene won't even cut into that number on more than a one-time basis, Because the party's made it crystal clear and then some not only that they don't support him, but that they want to get rid of him.


Well, I can't really say, c2w. But what about this? Obama and the Dems have been getting a lot of shit for having tried to influence the Colorado, New York and Pennsylvania elections recently (and those may have come with bribes?). I think it could come to a point that voters might begin to see this as interference in their right to choose. So, can the Republicans be trying to instigate more of it and how many times can the Dems get by with it without it causing them problems?
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Postby dbcooper41 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:07 pm

then served as an intelligence specialist and unit supply specialist with the U.S. Army until last year when he was honorably but involuntarily discharged.


why was he planted? could it be as simple as to embarrass/humiliate a black democratic politician with the porn charge?


"honorably but involuntarily discharged" kinda sounds like they had plans for him.

the washington post story suggests that he was also booted from the air force.
The Pentagon does not confirm whether service members are discharged honorably
or dishonorably. Greene says he "was honorably discharged from the Army, but it
was involuntary. Things weren't working out. . . . Same thing happened in the
Air Force. It's a long story in both services."


why would they put someone who was booted from 1 branch into an intelligence group in another branch, and then boot him out again?
btw, tim mcveigh was executed 9 years ago today.
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Postby IanEye » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:19 pm

i can't wait for the Greene-DeMint debate!

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Greene will say all sorts of loony moonbat things, and then DeMint will chuckle and say 'there you go again' and calmly explain why the good people of SC shouldn't have to reward Welfare Mothers who want free Tarot card readings...
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby bks » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:32 pm

This is the strangest story in, well, at least a week. I have two questions:

1. How exactly do you "plant" a candidate in a public election? He was on the ballot. The winner had to be voted for. He got 100,000 votes in a state-wide primary. In what sense can any candidate be considered a plant?

2. Can someone please plant me as a primary-winning candidate? If nominated, I promise to make fools of the opposing candidates, whichever party they hail from, and to quintuple the hits on RI.
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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:37 pm

bks wrote:This is the strangest story in, well, at least a week. I have two questions:

1. How exactly do you "plant" a candidate in a public election? He was on the ballot. The winner had to be voted for. He got 100,000 votes in a state-wide primary. In what sense can any candidate be considered a plant?

2. Can someone please plant me as a primary-winning candidate? If nominated, I promise to make fools of the opposing candidates, whichever party they hail from, and to quintuple the hits on RI.


Quintuple? Not good enough. I promise a 25-times increase. Jeff will have to hire a staff. In fact, he can hire me now in advance of my primary planting.

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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:28 pm

I think it could come to a point that voters might begin to see this as interference in their right to choose. So, can the Republicans be trying to instigate more of it and how many times can the Dems get by with it without it causing them problems?


Or, maybe it's just more South Carolina racist politics.
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:10 pm

It's "reverse rope" (just made that up). Like rope in which to hang someone with (I don't mean that necessarily racially). However, lo these last too many years, us libs have been saying, probably one instance of it in the comments of every liberal blog since Bush took office -- "Just give them enough rope to hang them with". No republican was ever hung. In fact, they trotted out their fall guys, the republican gay sex scandals etc etc etc etc. Thus allowing no republican, democrat, conservative, liberal, gay activist, family values activist to KEEP THE EYE ON THAT FUCKING PEA! Lakoff admonished us to "reframe the debate". Jesus, I put that book down after probably 7 pages. Then we had the "what's the matter with Kansas" bullshit. All meant to stir divisiveness and make liberals look at themselves in the mirror and say "god, I'm awesome. What say you, Linda Worthiemer?" You can't even turn on the TV anymore without some comment made about obese, rural folk. That's been the topic for at least 7 gawdawful years. Always. Nonstop. HOW TO MAKE AMERICA LOSE WEIGHT. WHY IS AMERICA SO FAT? It's such a ploy.

They are engendering hatred where there really was none 20 years ago or so. Us city folk could drive out to the country, go into a little main steet coffeeshop, family restaurant, just be, enjoy the stop and then carry on up to great grandpa's in Rapid City SD. Now we're all demarcated within the self. Identity politics. Fucking fascist, technocratic finagling all the way. And just then as all this extraneous hatred comes along, out goes the little main street business districts and family farms and in come the CORPORATIONS. The fast food, the frozen food, the big boxes, the violent music, the meth, the crack, the mega churches and etc etc etc.

Now we're Dems or we're Republicans. We tried I suppose to start that old green party up. Didn't do jack shit for nothing. Got blamed for seating Bush in office is what happened. Now, we're onto the already planned sequel of "reverse rope". Being drowned in a bathtub filled with tea.

I think I've brought it up here before, but I believe they are creating "flash points" for the unrest in a "wired world" in which to funnel one and all into some technocratic no go zone. Arizona is one. Could be SC is another. God, there was one more I thought of recently, but cannot remember. Anyhow. I'm gonna go BBQ.
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Postby 82_28 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:24 pm

Oh. And my point was.

They are creating reverse "Bush" type scenarios in which to stir up the anger where they want it to go. Not real anger. Manufactured anger. There was REAL anger when Bush "stole" office, but it went no where. We were completely powerless. Nothing we could do. Playing on all the known knowns. Creating a cloud of chaff, occluding what they choose to occlude. Hence the financial hardships, the cheap, sodium and chemical laden foods, then the admonishing by attractive people that they are ugly and on and on, on the TV screen. But they are going whole hog on the "race" thing if you ask me. If it's not Mexicans, it's black people. If it's not the Chinese, it's the Iranians. If it's not the French, it's British Petroleum. If it's not Venezuela then it's Cuba or North Korea or Somalian pirates. I hope people can see where I am going with this. If not, apologies. Long day at work.

It seems they are choosing now where to invent the battles at a much more break neck speed and it is my feeling that it is culminating into something very soon.
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby jingofever » Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:25 pm

'Experts' Eye 100% Unverifiable E-Vote System in 'Win' of SC's Mystery U.S. Senate Nominee:

So, what else, besides or in addition to the "plant" theory, could account for Greene's remarkable "victory"?

South Carolina uses ES&S' 100% unverifiable Direct Recording Electronic (DRE, in this case touch-screen) voting machines at the polling place. The machines, also used in many other states (such as Arkansas, where we recently reported exclusively on the disappearance of thousands of votes on May 18th, which neither state or local officials are able to explain to this day) are both oft-failed and easily manipulated in such a way that it's almost impossible to detect the systems have been gamed...

Today, however, we're delighted to see that actual mainstream media is beginning to note the disparities in the patterns of absentee paper-ballot voting versus the polling place results as cast and recorded on ES&S's 100% faith-based voting machines --- the very same machines which have been decertified in state after state, based on repeated scientific reports on their multiple vulnerabilities.

The disparities being found by "three different teams" of unnamed "national academic experts", in their early comparisons between result patterns in the Election Day DRE-tallied "ballots" and the optically-scanned absentee paper ballots are already startling, and raising serious red flags suggesting electronic vote tampering...even as reported in the corporate mainstream media today.

As reported by Politico this morning (yes, Politico!):

One potential red flag: A significant difference between the results of absentee and election day ballots.

According to [Rawl campaign manager Walter] Ludwig, of the state's 46 counties, half have a disparity of greater than 10 percentage points between the absentee and election day ballots.

"The election day ballots all favor Mr. Greene. We don't know what it means," Ludwig said in an interview. "We did significantly better on absentees than Election Day, which is according to the mathematicians, quite significant. The other reason is, it didn't happen in any other races on the ballot."

In Lancaster County, Rawl won absentee ballots over Greene by a staggering 84 percent to 16 percent margin; but Greene easily led among Election Day voters by 17 percentage points.

In Spartanburg County, Ludwig said there are 25 precincts in which Greene received more votes than were actually cast and 50 other precincts where votes appeared to be missing from the final count.

"In only two of 88 precincts, do the number of votes Greene got plus the number we got equal the total cast," Ludwig said.

Greene also racked up a 75 percent or greater margin in one-seventh of all precincts statewide, a mark that Ludwig notes is even difficult for an incumbent to reach.

Those are some remarkable numbers already, and we even heard them picked up by MSNBC earlier today (yes, MSNBC!) ...
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Parallels to the DC Sniper w/KWH on top???

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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby 82_28 » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:55 pm

OMFG!!!!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?

I know I posted some opinions before just by reading the text in the OP the links and the rest. I just saw the Olbermann video just now. Wow, just wow. This is simply a hall of mirrors! Folds upon folds. A kind of fascist origami. It reminds me of the weird cop killings by extremely strange characters up here in Seattle a number of months ago (both by strangely somehow successful black men). Just a too odd for words feeling from the pit of my stomach. Almost a Jim Jones type feeling. Like MinM brought up (I believe), almost as if it was straight out of the bowels of the DC Sniper pool. So fucking strange. So fucking strange. Creepy. Really, really creepy.

John Allen Muhammad apparently got "his start" very much so near the crazy weird assassination of those five cops last winter. Hmm, hmm, hmm. . .
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby 82_28 » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:21 pm

Something is up and it seems like, with this Alvin (Malvo) situation, someone wants us to very much so think something is up. They're using a reverse conspiracy knowledge tactic -- whatever the fuck that is. Could be the connection of the whole Hussein Obama/Osama alliteration trick. I really wanna just look at it as the pure stupidity of America. Yet, I know it is not that. Somebody is fucking with our heads as never before. I think there is going on, as of now, a series of manufactured, simulated flashpoints of racial, classist, technocratically fueled "flash points" from which to call on at the given time. Chaos is being intentionally created. It's a double bind for the public and then a "double release" for the manipulators as they can go any which way with the polar opposite directions they have manufactured insofar only in "politics". They are making it more absurd by the day -- C'mon, Bush? A stolen election? A messianic Democratic savior who happens to be the first black man to become president, last name rhymes with our "arch enemy" Osama, middle name the same as another arch enemy, hails from the same state as the man who "released the slaves", who's image (Lincoln) happens to appear on the back of the most useless unit of currency (the penny), then extends bailouts to the richest of the rich while the country goes to hell and loses their collective shirt. Everything is too symbolic to not be taken as symbolism.

I always said that it beggars belief that two of the most underwhelming men could be prez within the span of a decade and also be from the same family.

By simulating the erasing of racism within the minds of educationally self-contained idealists they are conjuring up a racism again, this time in a wholly much more complex way. Seeds are no longer being planted -- these are starter plants, with whole root systems ready to grow once they put it in the soil. The foundations, the media, the players are all ready to go.

Are they watering this plant with a nice big oil spill?
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby lupercal » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:47 pm

^ maybe not so strange, except for the national reporting. Planting candidates and rigging polls appears to be business as usual in SC:

Chris Good, Atlantic blogger, June 11 2010, wrote:
There is precedent of "planted" candidates in South Carolina: in 2007, Ken Silverstein wrote in Harper's about Rod Shealy, a South Carolina political strategist who has actually done with someone else what is being suggested was done with Greene:

Shealy gained a bit of national notoriety in 1990, when he was running the campaign of his sister, Sherry Martschink, a candidate for Lieutenant Governor. Shealy was looking to increase the turnout of racially conservative low-country voters, a group largely sympathetic to Martschink, in the overall Republican primary. To do so, he recruited Benjamin Hunt, Jr., an unemployed black fisherman, to run for congress in the Republican primary against incumbent Arthur Ravenel, Jr., even paying Hunt's filing fee. When the ploy was revealed, Shealy was convicted and fined for violating campaign laws.

[link to this Oct. 2007 Harper's article: http://harpers.org/archive/2007/10/hbc-90001427 ]

Greene's victory, however, wasn't the only surprise result in the Palmetto State this past Tuesday, and it is suspected that much broader mischief was afoot in the primary elections. Businessman Gregory Brown challenged Clyburn in his primary, earning 10% of the vote. He did so with the help of the former campaign manager to Rep. Joe Wilson (the Republican congressman who yelled "You lie!" at President Obama), having paid Preston Grisham's firm $24,000 according to TPM's Christina Bellantoni. But Brown didn't file any financial disclosures with the Federal Election Commission until after the race, according to receipts, Bellantoni reports.

And Ben Frasier, who was not endorsed by the Democratic establishment, won the first-congressional-district primary without filing any Federal Election Commission reports, either.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ina/58073/

So it looks like at least 3 candidates were planted, and Greene was there to make sure the serious candidate, Vic Rawl, didn't get a chance to challenge the GOP incumbent, DeMint. Someone on a DU thread says Rawl was within 7 points of DeMint, but no link.
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:49 pm

In Lancaster County, Rawl won absentee ballots over Greene by a staggering 84 percent to 16 percent margin; but Greene easily led among Election Day voters by 17 percentage points.


Couldn't that be explained by one of my speculations that this is Republicans crossing over? Absentee Republicans might not be available to know that this is the game, so they would vote the usual Republican way, not cross over (and I don't mean in the Ghost Whisperer way of "crossing over").
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby lupercal » Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:11 pm

chiggerbit wrote:
In Lancaster County, Rawl won absentee ballots over Greene by a staggering 84 percent to 16 percent margin; but Greene easily led among Election Day voters by 17 percentage points.


Couldn't that be explained by one of my speculations that this is Republicans crossing over? Absentee Republicans might not be available to know that this is the game, so they would vote the usual Republican way, not cross over (and I don't mean in the Ghost Whisperer way of "crossing over").

But if Republicans bypassed DeMint to vote for Rawl, the only known Dem candidate and thus DeMint's only real challenger, wouldn't that suggest that DeMint was in serious trouble with his own base -- serious enough to pull a hamhanded stunt like this one?
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