House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby lupercal » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:46 am

The Consul wrote:If there is a credible investigation the first question to answer is where Greene, who only months before had himself declared indigent, came up with the $10,000 filing fee.


Yes, but Greene didn't file his required financial disclosure, and probably won't be attending the hearing on Thursday, so it won't be easy to follow that money.

Incidentally Brad Friedman just posted a Fox interview with Clyburn (the SC Dem rep) who is now explicitly charging election fraud and calling for an investigation (in the clip, at the link):

GRETCHEN CARLSON: How did [Alvin Green] get enough votes? How did he win? ... Are you saying you believe that there was fraud in the vote counting?

REP. JAMES CLYBURN: I'm saying I believe there was hacking done into that computer. Remember, these are the same machines that the state of Ohio, the state of California, uh, Louisiana, uh and Alabama, I believe --- all outlawed this machine. I think that 49 states have decided that this machine is not reliable, and ought not be used for campaigns.

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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby Nordic » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:58 am

In 25 precincts, Greene received more votes than were actually cast.


http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0613/dems-c ... primaries/

One good thing could possibly come out of this -- and that's that people could finally notice, and finally HAVE to acknowledge, blatant fraud in the e-voting crap that's been foisted upon us the last ten years.

The idealist in me is hoping that someone set this whole thing up in order to show that our elections are now completely meaningless.

Sorta makes sense if you think about it. Pay some loser to run, front him the 10K, then hack the machines so he gets 60 percent of the vote and receives more votes than were actually cast.

Awesome.
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby pepsified thinker » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:13 pm

from the end of the Raw Story piece (http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0613/dems-convinced-voter-fraud-sc-primaries/)

"Alvin Greene is pretending to be an idiot," Creighton writes, noting that Greene holds a college degree and worked as an intelligence specialist in the US military. "He is doing it because someone doesn’t want a strong populist democrat like Vic Rawl running against Jim DeMint in South Carolina for his seat in the United States Senate.
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Don't know if this came up early in this thread--didn't see it mentioned in the last few pages--but does anyone know more about it?

How solid is the connection between Greene and military intel?

What school did Greene go to--sometimes that seems to suggest a connection--and what degree/field of study did he pursue?
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:38 pm

pepsified thinker wrote:from the end of the Raw Story piece (http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0613/dems-convinced-voter-fraud-sc-primaries/)

"Alvin Greene is pretending to be an idiot," Creighton writes, noting that Greene holds a college degree and worked as an intelligence specialist in the US military. "He is doing it because someone doesn’t want a strong populist democrat like Vic Rawl running against Jim DeMint in South Carolina for his seat in the United States Senate.
"

Don't know if this came up early in this thread--didn't see it mentioned in the last few pages--but does anyone know more about it?

How solid is the connection between Greene and military intel?

What school did Greene go to--sometimes that seems to suggest a connection--and what degree/field of study did he pursue?


The only two jobs he held after graduating with a polisci degree from University of South Carolina were intelligence positions in the Army and Air Force.

This lame Gawker article portends to contain an interview with a former colleague of Greene's, but reads like disinfo:
http://gawker.com/5563087/south-carolin ... le-soldier
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:36 pm

So I flip on C-SPAN for breakfast (there's more of a confession in there than I should have to make) and guess what? There's an Al Green already in Congress.

http://www.house.gov/algreen/

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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby Nordic » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:01 pm

And when I see or hear of someone named "RAWL" I think of this guy:

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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby The Consul » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:27 pm

Nordic wrote:

The idealist in me is hoping that someone set this whole thing up in order to show that our elections are now completely meaningless.




Yes, as we struggle to choose between tweedle dee (Inc.) and tweedle dum (LLC).
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby lupercal » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:39 pm

Another spooky twist in the Al Greene story is this obscenity charge of asking a college student to look at porn on a library terminal:

Last fall, Greene had used an old student ID card to get access to the USC [U South Carolina] library where he sat down next to a freshman girl and asked her to look at his computer screen. On it was pornographic material. Greene laughed and asked the girl if the two could go back to her dorm room. Greene has yet to plead to the charge or make much of a comment about it beyond saying “No comment.”

http://www.free-times.com/index.php?cat ... 6100935349

Here's a youtube interview of the victim and her beaming mother:

Now apart from the fact that this is being described as a felony, what's weird is that Seung-Hui Cho, the kid who supposedly shot up 32 people at Virginia Tech in April 2007, had a similar profile:

In 2005, Cho was accused of stalking two female students. After an investigation, a Virginia special justice declared Cho mentally ill and ordered him to attend treatment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre

On top of that Greene seems to believe his own story. In interviews, when he gets asked a question he can't answer, he shakes his head in both directions and repeats the last thing he said:

At first I thought he was just playing along, but after watching a couple of these it looks more like he's had his memory scrambled to think he's a bona fide candidate, meaning he couldn't spill the beans if he wanted to. Chilling.
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby Nordic » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:43 pm

That's a felony?

Were there any witnesses to this?

Any corroborating evidence whatsoever other than some girl saying it's so?

Agreed this whole thing smells spooky as hell.
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:43 pm

lupercal wrote:...

Last fall, Greene had used an old student ID card to get access to the USC [U South Carolina] library where he sat down next to a freshman girl and asked her to look at his computer screen. On it was pornographic material. Greene laughed and asked the girl if the two could go back to her dorm room. Greene has yet to plead to the charge or make much of a comment about it beyond saying “No comment.”



Okay, that is very fucked up behavior, but under what statute could it possibly be prosecutable as a crime?
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby Nordic » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:46 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
lupercal wrote:...

Last fall, Greene had used an old student ID card to get access to the USC [U South Carolina] library where he sat down next to a freshman girl and asked her to look at his computer screen. On it was pornographic material. Greene laughed and asked the girl if the two could go back to her dorm room. Greene has yet to plead to the charge or make much of a comment about it beyond saying “No comment.”



Okay, that is very fucked up behavior, but under what statute could it possibly be prosecutable as a crime?


Why are you assuming it actually happened?
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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:18 pm

Nordic wrote:Why are you assuming it actually happened?


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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:43 pm

JackRiddler wrote:.....
...guess what? There's an Al Green already in Congress.

http://www.house.gov/algreen/

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Classic propaganda-of-the-event designed using mirror semantics or KH.

1) Two days ago, on Monday June 14, Acorn was exonerated of any election fraud by the GAO in Congress. Acorn has been a primary target of CIA-Republicans to neutralize their ability to mobilize the poor and people of color.
"No, Virginia, black people are not the perpetrators or benefactors of fraudulant elections in the USA, despite what Fox TV and Rush Limbaugh have a majority of Republicans believing."

2) The OTHER Al Green's win, a Texas Democrat, set off scrutiny of GOP election fraud involving the 2000 US Census, bogus redistricting, and Republican capo Tom Delay when Green won his Texas seat. Oh, here come the results of the 2010 Census.

3) Rev. Manning, a black Baptist with a strong online presence and who is nothing like Rev. Wright, is putting the spotlight on Obama's CIA career leading up to a mid-May 2010 expose.

So this Alvin Greene's predicament is no doubt a case of coercion-by-blackmail (or Black Male) to enable GOP election fraud cover-up AND a CIA-groomed President-of-Color cover-up in November, 2010.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Al_Green
After a heated primary race, Green defeated Republican Arlette Molina in the 2004 general election to represent the 9th district in the U.S. House.

Green's defeat of Congressman Chris Bell in the 2004 Democratic primary for the re-districted 9th, triggered the Bell's ethics complaint against House Majority Leader Tom DeLay.


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On Wednesday, the Supreme Court will hear a case that brings together three simmering Republican scandals. The GOP's unprecedented Congressional gerrymandering, Tom Delay's ethical failings and the Department of Justice's gutting of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 will be among the story lines as the Roberts Court takes on the 2003 Texas redistricting cases.

On its face, the Texas cases concern the constitutionality of a new Congressional district map put in place by Texas Republicans in 2003. Coming only two years after a federal judge in 2001 ruled on a new district map reflecting the results of the 2000 U.S. Census, Tom Delay and the GOP-controlled Texas legislature took the unprecedented step of redrawing the boundaries to ensure a solid Republican Congressional delegation. The new map produced a 21-11 Republican majority in 2004, a sweeping change from the 17-15 Democratic edge previously.

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The Republican intrigue in the Texas redistricting controversy does not end there. As with the Georgia voter ID card program, the Attorney General overruled career Justice Department staffers who had concluded that the Texas map violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by diminishing minority representation. While DOJ's Civil Rights Division would not grant the necessary "pre-clearance" required for electoral changes in key southern states, the White House had no such qualms.

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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby lupercal » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:46 pm

SC Dem Party rejects Rawl's challenge, upholds Greene's election:

8:28pm ET: BREAKING: SC Dem Party Exec Board rejects protest to Sen Election despite NO evidence presented that results were accurate! Alvin Greene's election upheld by SC Dem Party Exec Board 38.5 to 7.5.

Report Q: Will you appeal?

Rawl: No. Thank you very much. I have nothing more to say.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7900#more-7900

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Gee who could have seen that coming? Still I have a feeling this scene wasn't in the script, and now that's it's on record, some drastic rewriting will be in order. Doesn't look good for candidate Greene.
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Re: House Whip Alleging Conspiracy (and Shenanigans) in S.C.

Postby barracuda » Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:47 pm

South Carolina Candidate Is Indicted

Alvin Greene, who came out of nowhere to win the Democratic Senate primary in South Carolina, was indicted today on two obscenity counts by a Richland County grand jury, according to the state solicitor’s office.

The charges stem from accusations by a female student at the University of South Carolina that he had showed her pornography and will almost certainly complicate his already longshot race against Republican Senator James DeMint in November.

Mr. Greene has not entered a plea in the case and did not answer any questions in a brief phone call today.

“My lawyer is dealing with that, okay, that’s all,” he said before hanging up. There was no answer at his lawyer’s office.

The first charge, of disseminating, procuring or promoting obscenity, is a felony and carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum fine of $10,000. The second charge, communicating an obscene message to another person without consent, is a misdemeanor and carries a maximum of three years and a maximum fine of $10,000.
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