The Conspiracy Conspiracy

[yathrib]

I happened to be listening to an old episode of Red Ice Creations (or Rense Lite, as I call it) so I could delete it from my IPod. The interviewee was on Brian Gerrish, who was explaining why an organization called Common Purpose was the worst thing since unsliced bread. Suddenly I realized what was going on, and why the pop conspiracy subculture was annoying me more and more. Brian Gerrish's beef against Common Purpose, other than that it was Eeeevilll, was that they wanted to "change society." So essentially, he was a reactionary in search of a scapegoat for things he didn't like. And what doesn't he like? Uppity women. Men who act like women. People who think they can choose their own spiritual beliefs. All the things we call modernity and the legacy of the Enlightenment. Same with most other figures in conspiratainment. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm all for that stuff, or at least okay with it, and I'm down with any conspiracy that wants to defend it.

The frightening thing is the number of progressive, intelligent people who are open to fascist or "Christian Patriot" ideology if it's wrapped up in a good woo-woo story. So here's my conspiracy theory: conspiracy culture is intended to indoctrinate otherwise progressive, sensible people with right wing thought patterns and the resulting beliefs. I'm sure we can all think of friends or acquaintances who became enmeshed in (for example) Alex Jones, and gradually altered their beliefs to fit the conspiracies.

This is not to say that there isn't valid evidence for conspiratorial phenomena in regard to, say, 9/11, but when you have someone pointing out inconsistencies in the official story and then going into a rant about the Illuminati, whose interests does that serve? Jim Marrs, I'm looking in your general direction...


Thoughts?

[8bitagent]

I happened to be listening to an old episode of Red Ice Creations (or Rense Lite, as I call it) so I could delete it from my IPod. The interviewee was on Brian Gerrish, who was explaining why an organization called Common Purpose was the worst thing since unsliced bread. Suddenly I realized what was going on, and why the pop conspiracy subculture was annoying me more and more. Brian Gerrish's beef against Common Purpose, other than that it was Eeeevilll, was that they wanted to "change society." So essentially, he was a reactionary in search of a scapegoat for things he didn't like. And what doesn't he like? Uppity women. Men who act like women. People who think they can choose their own spiritual beliefs. All the things we call modernity and the legacy of the Enlightenment. Same with most other figures in conspiratainment. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm all for that stuff, or at least okay with it, and I'm down with any conspiracy that wants to defend it.

The frightening thing is the number of progressive, intelligent people who are open to fascist or "Christian Patriot" ideology if it's wrapped up in a good woo-woo story. So here's my conspiracy theory: conspiracy culture is intended to indoctrinate otherwise progressive, sensible people with right wing thought patterns and the resulting beliefs. I'm sure we can all think of friends or acquaintances who became enmeshed in (for example) Alex Jones, and gradually altered their beliefs to fit the conspiracies.

This is not to say that there isn't valid evidence for conspiratorial phenomena in regard to, say, 9/11, but when you have someone pointing out inconsistencies in the official story and then going into a rant about the Illuminati, whose interests does that serve? Jim Marrs, I'm looking in your general direction...


Thoughts?

Everyone has their own agenda, confirmation bias. Hence why 6 years on Jeff's archive stands above the fray, given it has no agenda to point you to this or that scapegoat. Whenever I meet people "soooo convinced" of this or that politician involved in 9/11 or "satanic sacrifice" or how the "black pope jesuit vatican runs the world", I just have to have a face palm moment.
As far as the right wing gun nut Christian patriot "constitutionalist" crowd, aside from the David Icke folks, they seem to be the only ones sometimes who see a bigger picture...however erroneous. Try talking to a typical college edumacated lefty about this stuff, and they'll think you bout' damn lost your mind(I for the record have a disdain for the right and will always consider myself way to the left of the dial)

But yeah, the Jesuit/Illuminati/Zionist/etc meme is just really sad at this point

[freemason9]

. . . The frightening thing is the number of progressive, intelligent people who are open to fascist or "Christian Patriot" ideology if it's wrapped up in a good woo-woo story. So here's my conspiracy theory: conspiracy culture is intended to indoctrinate otherwise progressive, sensible people with right wing thought patterns and the resulting beliefs . . .

Thoughts?

i agree, and i am regularly thrashed for challenging such behavior and the general absence of intellectual discipline among such critters

[Simulist]

. . . The frightening thing is the number of progressive, intelligent people who are open to fascist or "Christian Patriot" ideology if it's wrapped up in a good woo-woo story. So here's my conspiracy theory: conspiracy culture is intended to indoctrinate otherwise progressive, sensible people with right wing thought patterns and the resulting beliefs . . .

Thoughts?

i agree, and i am regularly thrashed for challenging such behavior and the general absence of intellectual discipline among such critters

No, you're frequently thrashed for claiming to do that — and with a notable absence of intellectual discipline yourself.

[hanshan]

I happened to be listening to an old episode of Red Ice Creations (or Rense Lite, as I call it) so I could delete it from my IPod. The interviewee was on Brian Gerrish, who was explaining why an organization called Common Purpose was the worst thing since unsliced bread. Suddenly I realized what was going on, and why the pop conspiracy subculture was annoying me more and more. Brian Gerrish's beef against Common Purpose, other than that it was Eeeevilll, was that they wanted to "change society." So essentially, he was a reactionary in search of a scapegoat for things he didn't like. And what doesn't he like? Uppity women. Men who act like women. People who think they can choose their own spiritual beliefs. All the things we call modernity and the legacy of the Enlightenment. Same with most other figures in conspiratainment. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm all for that stuff, or at least okay with it, and I'm down with any conspiracy that wants to defend it.

The frightening thing is the number of progressive, intelligent people who are open to fascist or "Christian Patriot" ideology if it's wrapped up in a good woo-woo story. So here's my conspiracy theory: conspiracy culture is intended to indoctrinate otherwise progressive, sensible people with right wing thought patterns and the resulting beliefs. I'm sure we can all think of friends or acquaintances who became enmeshed in (for example) Alex Jones, and gradually altered their beliefs to fit the conspiracies.

This is not to say that there isn't valid evidence for conspiratorial phenomena in regard to, say, 9/11, but when you have someone pointing out inconsistencies in the official story and then going into a rant about the Illuminati, whose interests does that serve? Jim Marrs, I'm looking in your general direction...


Thoughts?

Everyone has their own agenda, confirmation bias. Hence why 6 years on Jeff's archive stands above the fray, given it has no agenda to point you to this or that scapegoat. Whenever I meet people "soooo convinced" of this or that politician involved in 9/11 or "satanic sacrifice" or how the "black pope jesuit vatican runs the world", I just have to have a face palm moment.
As far as the right wing gun nut Christian patriot "constitutionalist" crowd, aside from the David Icke folks, they seem to be the only ones sometimes who see a bigger picture...however erroneous. Try talking to a typical college edumacated lefty about this stuff, and they'll think you bout' damn lost your mind(I for the record have a disdain for the right and will always consider myself way to the left of the dial)

But yeah, the Jesuit/Illuminati/Zionist/etc meme is just really sad at this point

The cryptic underbelly of the American psyche is fascist in nature.
The so-called hidden history of the founding of the US is hidden in plain sight:
patriarchy, religious intolerance, genocide, slavery, & addiction. PDK was on.
Simply beacuse time passes, new generations emerge, the victors write the history;
none of which changes the fundamental genesis/dynamics. These egregores
(if you will) dominate through time/space. If fundamental change happens
at all it will happen at that level, only


& yeah, Jeff, you rock...



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[tazmic]

Brian Gerrish's beef against Common Purpose, other than that it was Eeeevilll, was that they wanted to "change society." So essentially, he was a reactionary in search of a scapegoat for things he didn't like. And what doesn't he like? Uppity women. Men who act like women. People who think they can choose their own spiritual beliefs. All the things we call modernity and the legacy of the Enlightenment. Same with most other figures in conspiratainment. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm all for that stuff, or at least okay with it, and I'm down with any conspiracy that wants to defend it.

It's not, for many, necessarily conservative or reactionary to rail against cultural conspiracy. You see, some people actually believe that they live in a democracy.

[slomo]

I happened to be listening to an old episode of Red Ice Creations (or Rense Lite, as I call it) so I could delete it from my IPod. The interviewee was on Brian Gerrish, who was explaining why an organization called Common Purpose was the worst thing since unsliced bread. Suddenly I realized what was going on, and why the pop conspiracy subculture was annoying me more and more. Brian Gerrish's beef against Common Purpose, other than that it was Eeeevilll, was that they wanted to "change society." So essentially, he was a reactionary in search of a scapegoat for things he didn't like. And what doesn't he like? Uppity women. Men who act like women. People who think they can choose their own spiritual beliefs. All the things we call modernity and the legacy of the Enlightenment. Same with most other figures in conspiratainment. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm all for that stuff, or at least okay with it, and I'm down with any conspiracy that wants to defend it.

The frightening thing is the number of progressive, intelligent people who are open to fascist or "Christian Patriot" ideology if it's wrapped up in a good woo-woo story. So here's my conspiracy theory: conspiracy culture is intended to indoctrinate otherwise progressive, sensible people with right wing thought patterns and the resulting beliefs. I'm sure we can all think of friends or acquaintances who became enmeshed in (for example) Alex Jones, and gradually altered their beliefs to fit the conspiracies.

This is not to say that there isn't valid evidence for conspiratorial phenomena in regard to, say, 9/11, but when you have someone pointing out inconsistencies in the official story and then going into a rant about the Illuminati, whose interests does that serve? Jim Marrs, I'm looking in your general direction...


Thoughts?

Everyone has their own agenda, confirmation bias. Hence why 6 years on Jeff's archive stands above the fray, given it has no agenda to point you to this or that scapegoat. Whenever I meet people "soooo convinced" of this or that politician involved in 9/11 or "satanic sacrifice" or how the "black pope jesuit vatican runs the world", I just have to have a face palm moment.
As far as the right wing gun nut Christian patriot "constitutionalist" crowd, aside from the David Icke folks, they seem to be the only ones sometimes who see a bigger picture...however erroneous. Try talking to a typical college edumacated lefty about this stuff, and they'll think you bout' damn lost your mind(I for the record have a disdain for the right and will always consider myself way to the left of the dial)

But yeah, the Jesuit/Illuminati/Zionist/etc meme is just really sad at this point

The cryptic underbelly of the American psyche is fascist in nature.
The so-called hidden history of the founding of the US is hidden in plain sight:
patriarchy, religious intolerance, genocide, slavery, & addiction. PDK was on.
Simply beacuse time passes, new generations emerge, the victors write the history;
none of which changes the fundamental genesis/dynamics. These egregores
(if you will) dominate through time/space. If fundamental change happens
at all it will happen at that level, only

Specifics are hard to know. Anybody who claims to tell you exactly who/what/where is most likely trying to sell you something or otherwise deceive you. However, it is relatively easy to detect the egregore. Hidden in plain sight it is. I would go further in claiming that there is a will among certain highly placed individuals (who knows which ones?) to consciously access and channel that egregore. What evidence do I have for this? No direct documented evidence that is 100% reliable - such is the nature of the phenomenon, where the system exists in part precisely to conceal such evidence. However, what I do have is personal experience with "magick" (for lack of a better word). Once one has demonstrated to oneself that it in fact "works", certain questions arise about how others might be using it. And once one gains some experience in intuitively apprehending the world, the evidence is unmistakable. Part of the problem is what I'll call psychic illiteracy, which is on the rise (and I don't think that is an accident).

Confirmation bias? Perhaps. However, empirically, the cognitive tools I've developed have served me well enough that I don't doubt their efficacy or regret going down the path I have. It would of course be foolish for you to take my word for any of it, without verifying for yourself. This is why I have insisted in another thread that communicating these ideas has to be done with some awareness of the level of understanding possessed by the intended audience. There are many veils, and not everybody sees beyond even the closest one of these.

[anothershamus]

yathrib wrote:

This is not to say that there isn't valid evidence for conspiratorial phenomena in regard to, say, 9/11, but when you have someone pointing out inconsistencies in the official story and then going into a rant about the Illuminati, whose interests does that serve? Jim Marrs, I'm looking in your general direction...

Yeah, It gets me when people try to tie too many theories into one. That dilutes the whole process of discovery and makes one look like a kook.

One theory at a time, are there aliens, Y/N? Don't go off into the 8th dimension but do we have proof hidden in the Mil/Gov?
Did more than one gunman kill JFK. NOT the why's or who's even, just was there more than one?

Then, after that question is answered, go into the numerology of the date and how it sends a message to a secret society, (or whatever).

I do love conspirtainment but I have to agree, they lose me if too much stuff gets piled on.


Count the gunmen in this picture!

[anothershamus]

[JackRiddler]

"Dear God"? Now there's a bug in the human program! If you want believers with absolute certainties uncorrelated to the evidence for or against a hypothesis, start with God. (Or, alternatively, the Official Conspiracy Theory of the 9/11 events.) It's a disappointment to see him pinning the preventive woo (Moon hoax) on the business as usual (9/11). But it's also predictable. We're all parts of cultures, right?

I wonder if one of my favorite cartoonists realized the irony of this piece? If there's something less likely than the Moon hoax, then it's the idea that the disembodied voice of the Creator of Man and the Universe would answer his prayer.

[bks]

I don't think he gets, it Jack. What belief has produced the greatest confirmation bias in human history? Belief in God, and second place isn't close.

In that sense, the cartoon is perfect. Perfectly expressive of the blindness in the position being espoused.

[Wombaticus Rex]

To me the real value has been in the undoing.

There is tremendous value here at RI, but it's not contained in any of the positive assertions, it's contained in the doubt. Maintenance of agnostic and wide-open intellectual stances is insanely challenging yoga. I really appreciate all the help RI has provided over the years...and jesus it has been years now huh?

I say this in emails like 4x a week to total strangers who want to talk about their awakening -- I remind them that the new belief system they're forming and building now, out of all this intellectual turmoil and spiritual growth, that will also be bullshit.

I'm thinking more and more that the real judo is to get into that crisis/turmoil stage and just surf it.

Which is a useless way to put it, so: what if, rather than being spit out naked and bleeding by Chapel Perilous, there were a means of actually staying inside and percieving the world from there?

[Penguin]

Which is a useless way to put it, so: what if, rather than being spit out naked and bleeding by Chapel Perilous, there were a means of actually staying inside and percieving the world from there?

It is at least worth the try!

Specifics are hard to know. Anybody who claims to tell you exactly who/what/where is most likely trying to sell you something or otherwise deceive you. However, it is relatively easy to detect the egregore. Hidden in plain sight it is. I would go further in claiming that there is a will among certain highly placed individuals (who knows which ones?) to consciously access and channel that egregore. What evidence do I have for this? No direct documented evidence that is 100% reliable - such is the nature of the phenomenon, where the system exists in part precisely to conceal such evidence. However, what I do have is personal experience with "magick" (for lack of a better word). Once one has demonstrated to oneself that it in fact "works", certain questions arise about how others might be using it. And once one gains some experience in intuitively apprehending the world, the evidence is unmistakable. Part of the problem is what I'll call psychic illiteracy, which is on the rise (and I don't think that is an accident).

Confirmation bias? Perhaps. However, empirically, the cognitive tools I've developed have served me well enough that I don't doubt their efficacy or regret going down the path I have. It would of course be foolish for you to take my word for any of it, without verifying for yourself. This is why I have insisted in another thread that communicating these ideas has to be done with some awareness of the level of understanding possessed by the intended audience. There are many veils, and not everybody sees beyond even the closest one of these.

Yes.
The necessary communication is also the sort that cannot be achieved without unified purpose of the participants.

[8bitagent]

Yeah, It gets me when people try to tie too many theories into one. That dilutes the whole process of discovery and makes one look like a kook.

One theory at a time, are there aliens, Y/N? Don't go off into the 8th dimension but do we have proof hidden in the Mil/Gov?
Did more than one gunman kill JFK. NOT the why's or who's even, just was there more than one?

Then, after that question is answered, go into the numerology of the date and how it sends a message to a secret society, (or whatever).

I do love conspirtainment but I have to agree, they lose me if too much stuff gets piled on.

One could say it's all mental tinkering, conspiratainment...unless its people out there actively trying to shut down School of Americas, doing the good work Jeremy Schahill does, etc. Often the line between leftist anti war/pro worker rights awareness/anti globalization/corrupt corporate practices and the "anti NWO/Alex Jones/truther/etc" stuff is blurred. I've straddled both aisles for awhile, as much as the right leaning rubs me the wrong way

Is it bad that I've read a lot of Jim Marr's books or even some David Icke? I've also read Medical Apartheid and a number of other books that really blows the lid off some of the darker things the American establishment has done. Marrs does seem to be all over the map, as much as his main theme is JFK. But how is Marrs a fascist? He seems more like the eccentric grand father than someone promoting a "Christian Patriot agenda". Yes, conspiracy theories of scapegoat boogeymen are often used by Nazis. Hitler of course, that famous American radio preacher in the 1930's.
But I speaking out against a perceived fascist hidden hand does not make one a quasi fascist

As for numerology...I used to roll my eyes at the idea of that being mixed with historical events...

But then...you look at:

9/11, the Princess Diana crash, the dates of most the post 9/11 terror attacks by "al Qaeda", the end of WW1, the trinity oppenheimer test, the location and year of the Roswell incident,
the death of JFK/MLK/RFK, and on and on and on. Maybe it's just the "cosmic giggle" as Jake Kotze says...

"Dear God"? Now there's a bug in the human program! If you want believers with absolute certainties uncorrelated to the evidence for or against a hypothesis, start with God. (Or, alternatively, the Official Conspiracy Theory of the 9/11 events.) It's a disappointment to see him pinning the preventive woo (Moon hoax) on the business as usual (9/11). But it's also predictable. We're all parts of cultures, right?

I wonder if one of my favorite cartoonists realized the irony of this piece? If there's something less likely than the Moon hoax, then it's the idea that the disembodied voice of the Creator of Man and the Universe would answer his prayer.

It's what I tell people who call me nuts for my views "You're trying to tell me you believe in God, Christ or whatever...but Im the one who has no proof?"
Belief in things that are not scientifically provable, like "God" or "Christ" or any of that pretty much makes most the planet conspiracy theorists. Of course I'm not saying there is no this or that, we all believe in the *possibility* of oddball stuff. But my point is at face value, all beliefs and religions are silly, yet so much argument and fighting over it in the world. "You guys realize you are quibbling over which lineage and interpretation of invisible bearded flying men is more correct right?"

Then again I also believe 100% the Ruwa school 1994 event and Mothman series of events occurred, so who knows

[Elvis]

Maintenance of agnostic and wide-open intellectual stances is insanely challenging yoga.

Well put!

Like everyone, I have my 'models' of reality, but I want them to be challenged and tested because I know they can never be quite 100% correct.
(Details here and there can be held with fair certainty, but 'big pictures' are usually more elusive.)