WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

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WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

Postby jingofever » Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:57 pm

Link:

In an interview with the ABC's Foreign Correspondent, Mr Assange said cryptically of WikiLeaks' current project:

"I can give an analogy. If there had been mass spying that had affected many, many people and organisations and the details of that mass spying were released then that is something that would reveal that the interests of many people had been abused."

He agreed it would be of the "calibre" of publishing information about the way the top secret Echelon system - the US-UK electronic spying network which eavesdrops on worldwide communications traffic - had been used.
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Re: WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

Postby Elvis » Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:56 pm

I've always thought that a chief aim of all this detailed spying on everyone and everything was to get access to business secrets.

Already a couple of FBI agents were convicted of insider trading based on intercepts. That's just the small-time end of it.
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Re: WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

Postby Simulist » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:33 pm

A couple of years ago, I read that the Pentagon would be spending about $30 billion dollars to "dominate cyberspace."

Not only are the spies surely "spying" (both human and computer algorithmic varieties), but it really doesn't sound like too much of a stretch to suppose that human spies are also actively working to influence certain targeted online groups — perhaps with tactics specially tailored to each targeted community. (Think COINTELPRO for the internet age — and thirty billion bucks can buy a lot of online creeps.)

This certainly does not seem beyond the realm of possibility to me; in fact, I often wonder just how deep and far-reaching this might be.
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Re: WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

Postby norton ash » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:00 pm

Foreknowledge of all situations... the kind that lets you grab all the bishops and rooks you need, line up useful pawns for slaughter, and de-activate the opponent's pieces as you begin.

Business, politics, power struggles, international relations. Rigged and played underground, now more than ever.
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Re: WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

Postby crikkett » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:18 pm

norton ash wrote:Business, politics, power struggles, international relations. Rigged and played underground, now more than ever.

And keywords. Keywords to hijack.
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Re: WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

Postby anothershamus » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:00 am

This dude is turning into "My Hero". On the run, with loads of information, hanging out with Icelandic Parliamentarians who are hot, he could be the next 'James Bond'!

He has been on the run since he was a kid, so he knows the ropes, that New Yorker article was really good.

Run Julian Run!
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Re: WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

Postby The Hundredth Idiot » Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:09 am

This is probably old news, but worth a re-read-

NSA, AT&T and the NaurusInsight Intercept Suite: http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=877

Synthetic Environments for Analysis and Simulation: http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=956

Makes Echelon look kinda basic...
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Re: WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

Postby 82_28 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:36 am

So what is the extent of the spying? Like, what exactly are they looking for? Is there a shelf-life as to shit I may have posted 10 years ago? Will I wind up paying for what I am writing now 10 years from now? What truly is the endgame? What's the "now" game?

It really all makes the mind reel. I'm not particularly scared of being spied on, as I haven't done jack shit other than do my part as an opinionated wage slave who has for the most part, given up on this democracy we export and the hope we grow here at home. I've never felt the present and the potential future more veiled in my life.
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Re: WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

Postby slomo » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:12 am

82_28 wrote:So what is the extent of the spying? Like, what exactly are they looking for? Is there a shelf-life as to shit I may have posted 10 years ago? Will I wind up paying for what I am writing now 10 years from now? What truly is the endgame? What's the "now" game?

It really all makes the mind reel. I'm not particularly scared of being spied on, as I haven't done jack shit other than do my part as an opinionated wage slave who has for the most part, given up on this democracy we export and the hope we grow here at home. I've never felt the present and the potential future more veiled in my life.


Unless you are actively involved in resistance or are otherwise influential, your principal value is as a data point for estimating social and political trends.
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Re: WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

Postby anothershamus » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:32 am

slomo wrote:
82_28 wrote:So what is the extent of the spying? Like, what exactly are they looking for? Is there a shelf-life as to shit I may have posted 10 years ago? Will I wind up paying for what I am writing now 10 years from now? What truly is the endgame? What's the "now" game?

It really all makes the mind reel. I'm not particularly scared of being spied on, as I haven't done jack shit other than do my part as an opinionated wage slave who has for the most part, given up on this democracy we export and the hope we grow here at home. I've never felt the present and the potential future more veiled in my life.


Unless you are actively involved in resistance or are otherwise influential, your principal value is as a data point for estimating social and political trends.


And if you do end up being pushed to the limit and do something, TPTB can use all your previous post against you as premeditation and conspiracy to get a conviction, or longer sentence.
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Re: WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

Postby Nordic » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:35 pm

82_28 wrote:Will I wind up paying for what I am writing now 10 years from now?



That only happens when you get married.
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Re: WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

Postby Simulist » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:27 pm

Nordic wrote:
82_28 wrote:Will I wind up paying for what I am writing now 10 years from now?

That only happens when you get married.

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Re: WikiLeaks founder drops 'mass spying' hint

Postby anothershamus » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:02 am

82_28 wrote:Will I wind up paying for what I am writing now 10 years from now?


From Zero Hedge article:

Is the U.S. a Fascist Police-State?
Submitted by Gonzalo Lira

"A police-state uses the law as a mechanism to control any challenges to its power by the citizenry, rather than as a mechanism to insure a civil society among the individuals. The state decides the laws, is the sole arbiter of the law, and can selectively (and capriciously) decide to enforce the law to the benefit or detriment of one individual or group or another.

In a police-state, the citizens are “free” only so long as their actions remain within the confines of the law as dictated by the state. If the individual’s claims of rights or freedoms conflict with the state, or if the individual acts in ways deemed detrimental to the state, then the state will repress the citizenry, by force if necessary. (And in the end, it’s always necessary.)"

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-us-fascist-police-state

"My own take is, Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project is not about limiting free speech—it's about the state expanding it power to repress. The decision limits free speech in passing, because what it is really doing is expanding the state’s power to repress whomever it unilaterally determines is a terrorist.

In the decision, the Court explicitly ruled that “Congress and the Executive are uniquely positioned to make principled distinctions between activities that will further terrorist conduct and undermine United States foreign policy, and those that will not.” In other words, the Court makes it clear that Congress and/or the Executive can solely and unilaterally determine who is a “terrorist threat”, and who is not—without recourse to judicial review of this decision. And if the Executive and/or Congress determines that this group here or that group there is a “terrorist organization”, then their free speech is curtailed—as is the free speech of anyone associating with them, no matter how demonstrably peaceful that speech or interaction is.

For example, if the Executive—in the form of the Secretary of State—decides that, say, WikiLeaks or Amnesty International is a terrorist organization, well then by golly, it is a terrorist organization. It no longer has any right to free speech—nor can anyone else speak to them or associate with them, for risk of being charged with providing “material support” to this heinous terrorist organization known as Amnesty International.

But furthermore, as per Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project, anyone associating with WikiLeaks—including, presumably, those who read it, and most certainly those who give it information about government abuses—would be guilty of aiding and abetting terrorism. In other words, giving WikiLeaks “material support” by providing primary evidence of government abuse would render one a terrorist."
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