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You want W.O.O.? UFOs MPD Ph.D.s OMG

Postby nathan28 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:23 pm

Since all you wooheads round here are getting their testicles in knots because it's "that time of the morning" again, here's a love song. Or dog whistle. Or shrill battle-cry.

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Apparently at some point Dr. Hynek, who was in public skeptical but privately convinced of extraterrestrial origins of UFOs, told Jacobs not to use hypnosis. There are some pretty serious claims below and on first blush it doesn't look good for Jacobs, a proponent of the "hybrid breeding campaign" UFO-ET theory.

Full text and links at URL above. I haven't looked into the podcasts etc.

But there are times when, even in an era like this where things are so routinely screwed up, indulging certain spiritual yearnings can get you into trouble. I believe that is at least partly the case with Dr. David Jacobs, the abduction researcher who seems to be, in recent months, coming apart at the seams psychologically.

Jacobs is currently mired in a nasty controversy involving an ex-client. She claims he had psychologically abused her and had “engaged in extensive leading and suggestion” (from Emma Woods' Introduction on her website) over the course of 91 hypnotic regressions and 37 hypnosis sessions. The sessions averaged 5 hours, according to Emma Woods (EW, not her real name).

Jacobs counters that EW is suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder...

Jacobs claims that EW was abducted 50 times over the course of their work together. Thirty-two events included warnings from the perpetrators about her writing her record and 24 events included warnings about Jacobs. To Jacobs, these constituted two sets of “threats.”
“One set of threats was directed at writing her records,” he wrote in the DC. “[A] second set of threats was directed at working with me.”

“If the situation [EW] reported was true and actual ‘hybrid beings’ were threatening her, I felt I had to try to protect her from them,” Jacobs wrote. “And obviously if [EW]’s reports were true, I had to protect myself as well. If abduction research can be trusted, alien beings have telepathic abilities and know what people are thinking; therefore, protecting both [EW] and myself was a major challenge. I thought long and hard about what, if anything, I could do. I decided that one approach would be, during hypnosis,to give [EW] ideas to think about that would throw ‘mindreaders’ off my trail. I explained my thinking to her before I acted. Then at one point during a hypnosis session I told her that as a researcher I was interested not in abductions but in multiple personality disorder. I chose this because it is believable--the disorder has characteristics in common with the effects of abductions. I hoped that she would be able to keep this idea in her mind and convey it to her abductors, thereby relieving some of the pressure both she and I felt. At no time did I think that [EW] had multiple personality disorder, and of course neither did she.” (Emphasis supplied.)

The fact is Jacobs did not just give EW ideas. He implanted into her mind a psychiatric diagnosis. Even if she understood the suggestion was a maneuver by Jacobs against the aliens, that was a psychologically irresponsible thing to do. If EW had integrated that hypnotic suggestion into her life, chaos would have resulted. Chaos obviously has erupted.

Let’s go over what he said to EW in the hypnosis session in question:

I am going to count from five to one. Just remember now my diagnosis is that this is multiple personality disorder and you should take medication for it. I have seen lots of cases of MPD and this absolutely fits the MPD profile. And my professional diagnosis therefore is multiple personality disorder. I am studying it. I am writing a book about it. That is my next book. I feel that the whole sort of alien business is all a matter of multiple personality disorder. It’s a much more widespread phenomenon than people think. Lots of people are walking around with it. It’s a public health problem and that you are unfortunately suffering from it. So now I’ll count from 5 to 1 and bring you out of this and we’ll talk about MPD a little bit more… five …. (Paratopia Episode 57.)

Spurred by a fanatical belief that hybrid aliens exist and pose a threat to humanity, Jacobs irresponsibly conducts a schizoid covert operation in his client’s mind against hypothetical beings he is personally obsessed with. He is attempting to infect his client with his own schizoid faith in aliens. He conducts this psychotic covert operation in his client’s mind while she is under hypnosis.

Mr. Jacobs admits he is not “a psychologist, psychiatrist, or psychotherapist...” [Jacobs has a Ph.D. in history.]

This case certainly calls alien abduction research into question, at least with regard to researchers who utilize hypnosis in evidence collection. What is to prevent an abduction hypnotist from hypnotically stitching an abduction narrative into the minds of his clients and then writing about those narratives in books that eventually become bestsellers? [One] could conceivably hypnotically concoct a great deal of corroborating data, all of it fictional, and create fictional superstructures or metanarratives that gain momentum in the culture and create crops and crops of new customers eager to experience something of wonder and awe in their lives.

You get the movie deals, the book signings, the residuals, the conference bookings, free marketing from all the podcast and radio broadcast appearances. The culture of contact has already gifted you with a healthy population of good hypnotic subjects. They already believe. They already want to go where you want to take them. You don’t have to charge them. Your book goes to number one on the New York Times list. You get a TV movie of the week. You’re going to make money. No problem.

The first law of hypnotic dynamics is satisfied: you can’t make anyone do anything they don’t want to do. But if they are sick with loneliness and starved for attention and are living an extremely impoverished life [me--a useless and largely disproven smear], why wouldn’t they want to be part of a cosmic plot to take over the Earth? Why wouldn’t they want their lives to be meaningful? They’ll gladly partake in visualizing their own abduction.

Why wouldn’t you, Mr. Abductee Hypnotist, want to be a part of the same cosmic plot, the same universal drama? Why not believe in your own horrible phantasm? At least it is a lot better than waking up every day and learning your country slaughters civilians and tortures goat-herders and monitors your every phone conversation. Why live in a real horror when a cosmic horror is much less lethal and you have some power over its story and can conceivably get a giant book deal out of it?

Why deal with real life alienation in the forms of joblessness, endless war, tea parties and riots when you can fight the Alien Nation invading us from another planet?
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Re: You want W.O.O.? UFOs MPD Ph.D.s OMG

Postby justdrew » Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:49 pm

there was a big thread about this some months back, but I'm not finding it... maybe it was moved to a subforum?
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Re: You want W.O.O.? UFOs MPD Ph.D.s OMG

Postby nathan28 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:53 pm

justdrew wrote:there was a big thread about this some months back, but I'm not finding it... maybe it was moved to a subforum?


yeah, i didn't look very hard. oh well. barracuda/peregine/jeff, zap away.

Edit: some, not much, discussion here. http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=27802&hilit=david+jacobs
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Re: You want W.O.O.? UFOs MPD Ph.D.s OMG

Postby operator kos » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:24 pm

nathan28 wrote:The first law of hypnotic dynamics is satisfied: you can’t make anyone do anything they don’t want to do. But if they are sick with loneliness and starved for attention and are living an extremely impoverished life [me--a useless and largely disproven smear], why wouldn’t they want to be part of a cosmic plot to take over the Earth? Why wouldn’t they want their lives to be meaningful? They’ll gladly partake in visualizing their own abduction.


Sorry, wrong. Try again.

The CIA wrote:Subject: Hypnotic Experimentation and Research, 10 February 1954


On Wednesday, 10 February 1954, hypnotic experimentation and research work was continued in Building 13 by Mr. [blacked out] using the following subjects: Misses [blacked out] and [blacked out].

The group of five subjects appeared on schedule. The operator expecting only three subjects, namely Misses [blacked out] and [blacked out] was forced to alter his plans somewhat due to the unexpected arrival of two more subjects.

Plans were originally made to conduct experiments in color blindness, blindness and intoxication. These plans were altered to permit first, the subjects to present questions and discussions. (This was to permit the operator to spot any subjects who were critically analyzing their progress.) Several questions were presented and promptly clarified to the satisfaction of the subjects. In this discussion it was obvious that Misses [blacked out] and [blacked out] were beginning to lose confidence in themselves. From this point on the work proceeded as follows:

1. A posthypnotic of the night before (pointed finger, you will sleep) was enacted. Misses [blacked out] and [blacked out] immediately progressed to a deep hypnotic state with no further suggestion. This was to test whether the mere carrying out of the posthypnotic would produce the state of hypnosis desired. Needless to say, it did.

2. Miss [blacked out] was then instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms in any fashion) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss [blacked out] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss [blacked out]. She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to “kill” [blacked out] for failing to awaken. Miss [blacked out] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded pneumatic pistol) gun at [blacked out] and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened and expressed complete amnesia for the entire sequence. Miss [blacked out] was again handed the gun, which she refused (in an awakened state) to pick up or accept from the operator. She expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.
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Postby nathan28 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:29 pm

I didn't write that, except the bracketed text.
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Postby nathan28 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:11 pm

operator kos wrote:
nathan28 wrote:The first law of hypnotic dynamics is satisfied: you can’t make anyone do anything they don’t want to do. But if they are sick with loneliness and starved for attention and are living an extremely impoverished life [me--a useless and largely disproven smear], why wouldn’t they want to be part of a cosmic plot to take over the Earth? Why wouldn’t they want their lives to be meaningful? They’ll gladly partake in visualizing their own abduction.


Sorry, wrong. Try again.

The CIA wrote:Subject: Hypnotic Experimentation and Research, 10 February 1954


On Wednesday, 10 February 1954...


And furthermore, it is naive to believe that this is the "law of hypnosis"--just as it is naive to believe those unnamed subjects in the memo were doi :lol2: ng something that was against their 'desires'.



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Postby Simulist » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:12 pm

"Law of hypnosis"?

What's that?

If you're suggesting that few hypnotists would probably be skilled-enough to achieve the results reported in the declassified memo, then you'd probably be right — but I don't think anyone here is saying otherwise.

Achieving the level of aerospace skill required to put a satellite in orbit is difficult, but it is also clearly possible. Similarly, achieving the level of skill in hypnosis required to cause a person to do things they normally would not do — and then to forget about it afterward — may also be difficult, but it certainly seems to be possible.
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Postby crikkett » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:06 pm

nathan28 wrote:Since all you wooheads round here are getting their testicles in knots because it's "that time of the morning" again,

That's uncalled-for.
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Postby nathan28 » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:09 pm

Simulist wrote:"Law of hypnosis"?

What's that?

If you're suggesting that few hypnotists would probably be skilled-enough to achieve the results reported in the declassified memo, then you'd probably be right — but I don't think anyone here is saying otherwise.

Achieving the level of aerospace skill required to put a satellite in orbit is difficult, but it is also clearly possible. Similarly, achieving the level of skill in hypnosis required to cause a person to do things they normally would not do — and then to forget about it afterward — may also be difficult, but it certainly seems to be possible.


I'm not completely comfortable with the false memory cites at the site from the OP. But he points to the sort of charlatanry and "dungeons and dragons" mentality that some of these crusaders for fringe causes can get into, something well worth noting. As one psychologist pointed out, hypnosis is a tool for behavior change and potentially relaxation, not recall.

Also I don't believe that there's a "law of hypnosis" about the "only willing to" thing. That doesn't make any sense. Under circumstances anyone's willing to do that supposedly-forbidden something, so there's a huge presumption there. What I do mean is that if you're primed to accept something it's more likely. At the same time I find that memo fucking retarded. Yeah, no shit, people who work at an agency that since its inception has devoted itself to murder, poison and fomenting political violence are a little edgy. That's an office where people used to drug each other unwittingly. It's also worth noting it's the same agency that resorted to brute-force conditioning via torture, involuntary drug addictions etc. to achieve behaviors. It would be mind-boggling to imagine there wasn't an implicit and unspoken attitude that "We're the CIA and we're coercive" since their founding. Couple this in with Americans' obsession with being on some divine mission and it should be clear that context matters, even with magical hypnotic powers.

And Jacobs' work has been sloppy, to say the least, since at least the early '90s. AFAIK he's never made his hypnotic credentials known--and in the US, that's not necessary in most states (vs. the UK, where there's a professional ass'n of them). It is impossible to read the portions of transcripts he published and not believe he is leading his research subjects with, e.g., his continual tendency to ask questions like "Was there a quick operation?" Etc., etc.

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nathan28 wrote:Since all you wooheads round here are getting their testicles in knots because it's "that time of the morning" again,

That's uncalled-for.


Well, I thought it was clever to turn a misogynist trope on its head, but apparently not. I have, regardless, a reputation to maintain.
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Postby Simulist » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:21 pm

David Jacobs is a fucking idiot.

I was referring to the quoted declassified memo.
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