Have Any Materials Been Recovered from ETs/UFOs?

[Montag]

I always thought that things have been? Such as metals that we humans do not know how to make. If so where is this stuff? Why doesn't someone get into the MSM with it? And if not at least make an independent documentary?

[barracuda]

A possibility is shape memory alloy, which was among the materials described as being recovered from the Roswell incident. Of interest might be Nitinol, which was "discovered by accident" in 1963 at the Naval Ordnance Laboratory, although a certain amount of research seems to go back to the 1930's.

[Montag]

p.s. Of course there is the Dr. Roger Leir who has supposedly removed alien implants. Where are these implants though I wonder. Is anyone studying them? If they are the Real McCoy, they should be the smoking gun, no?

I'll answer my own question here. Even if the implants are found to possibly (or definitely) to be not of this world. I suppose they could be something that the government is secretly doing. Heck they could be something that something other than humans or ETs are doing, fairies, inter-dimensionals, God knows what.

[jingofever]

I'm not convinced by Nitinol because it requires heat to return to the original shape. Wikipedia says a high temperature and maybe sitting in the desert sun heated it to that but it should have cooled off and lost the memory property. Maybe there are similar metals that have a lower memory temperature. Roswell Proof suggests a different material that doesn't require heat.

Here is Michael Swords on the question.

Another case, the Midland Fireball but I doubt that was related to the UFO phenomenon.

[barracuda]

According to this group of witness accounts, there were several types of materials recovered from the debris field at Roswell, including a very strong, light foil which couldn't be dented with sledgehammers:

"This particular piece of metal was, I would say, about two feet long and perhaps a foot wide. See, that stuff weighs nothing, it's so thin, it isn't any thicker than the tinfoil in a pack of cigarettes. So I tried to bend the stuff, it wouldn't bend. We even tried making a dent in it with a 16-pound sledge hammer, and there was still no dent in it. I didn't have the time to go out there and find out more about it, because I had so much other work to do that I just let it go. It's still a mystery to me as to what the whole thing was. Like I said before, I knew quite a bit about the material used in the air, but it was nothing I had seen before. And as of now, I still don't know what it was."

The material had some illuminating properties:

Kromschroeder said he'd never seen anything like it. Kromshroeder said that Henderson told him that the metal was part of the lighter material lining the interior of the craft. He said that when properly energized, it produced perfect illumination. It cast a soft light with no shadows. That piece of debris apparently came from Major Ellis Boldra.

There was also some sort of structural member:

"...Standing only three feet from the passing procession, we saw boxes full of aluminum-looking metal pieces being carried to the B-29. Major Marcel came along carrying an open box full of what seemed to be scrap metal. It obviously was not aluminum: it did not shine nor reflect like the aluminum on American military airplanes. And sticking up in one corner of the box being carried by Major Marcel was a small "I-beam" with hieroglyphic-like markings on the inner flange, in some kind of weird color, not black, not purple, but a close approximation of the two. Next, a man in civilian dress who was carrying a piece of metal under his left arm... This piece was about the size of a poster drawing board -- very smooth, almost glass-like, with torn edges."

And some rings, or cylinder sections:

Brazel's daughter, Bessie Brazel Schreiber, in a 1979 interview conducted by author William Moore (no relation to Charles B. Moore), described some aluminum ring-shaped objects in the debris that looked like pipe intake collars or the necks of balloons. (The mention of the rings appears in William Moore's transcript of the interview, but was not included in his book The Roswell Incident.) She estimated that they were about 4 inches around, and said she could put her hand through them.

It all left an interesting impression on the transport crew:

Tiffany said the metal was very lightweight and very tough. It had a smooth glasslike surface, and everything the flight crew did to it to mark it, bend it, or break it failed. But what really bothered the flight crew was the unusual cylinder and its unknown contents. After the flight, the crew felt that they couldn't get clean. They could not "get over handling something that foreign."

[8bitagent]

It's all really a matter of "belief".

Uri Geller claims to have an object given to him by John Lennon that came from space aliens
We've alls een those specials where surgeons remove a small metallic object from people who claim to have been abducted
Jeff once posted a story on his blog about a man who was given "space pancakes" from aliens

But like the Shroud of Turan, it's all a matter of faith.

[operator kos]

I would do it [study UFOs], but before agreeing to do it, we must insist upon full access to discs recovered. For instance in the L.A. case, the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination.

I recall seeing a copy of this statement as a handwritten memo, not that that proves anything.

[Attack Ships on Fire]

There's plenty of very solid evidence that someone is using advanced technology currently ahead of what's commonplace in the world. This by no means is smoking gun proof that aliens are visiting our world, but when one looks subjectively at the matter and employs Occam's Razor, what you're left with is an explanation involving the suppression of energies and technologies far in advance of mainstream science by governments and militaries of the world. And these technologies would have to have been in existence pre-1947 if you believe in the eyewitness reports and photographs taken from the pre-Roswell era.

Based on the assembled evidence it's hard for me to believe that a clandestine group developed the kind of technology seen demonstrated by UFOs before the transistor circuit had been invented and jetplanes broke the sound barrier. Employing Occam's Razor again, the most likely explanation for the presence of these technologies would be from an outside of Earth, non-terrestrial group.

Critics of the ET hypothesis are very quick to raise questions about where these aliens are, if they are here. Yet it's commonly accepted by science that any technology sufficiently advanced from our own would be indistinguishable from magic (thanks to Arthur C. Clarke for coining this phrase.) Reports of UFO visitations to military bases speak of these craft being able to shut down our most advanced electronic systems and to avoid radar and visual identification. If anything is to be taken from the thousands of eyewitness accounts of UFOs over the past 7 decades is that these craft exhibit abilities that can cloak their appearance. If anything is to be surmised from that, it's that the owners of the UFOs are letting us see them by their choice.

Following through on this train of thought, when I look at the hardest evidence of UFOs being intelligently controlled craft operated by a non-human intelligence, I see a logical conclusion that it is by choice no smoking gun evidence is being left by the UFO owners. If at all, they are leaving circumstantial evidence on purpose. Psychologically, the theory that lends itself the greatest amount of possibility for an answer is that some kind of first contact program is being conducted, albeit in a much more alien manner than the kind of first contact scenario that our scientists and science fiction authors would assume would be the case. Yet there are plenty of examples from our own world history as to what happens when a technologically inferior culture meets an advanced one. If the stakes are indeed the long-term health of the human psyche and our civilization, doesn't it make sense then that the first contact approach we're seeing right now lends itself to this conclusion?

As for why governments or militaries don't publicly acknowledge this UFO presence as real, there's a few possibilities on the table. One of my favorites is by Vallee who theorizes that if you publicly bring UFOs out into the open and acknowledge they are real, you invite them to appear in the open. The answers that may follow could be devastating for us. Forget about the advances in medicine, technology, free energy, transportation and knowledge about an alien civilization; what if we could find out for certain whether God is real, or not real, or that the soul exists, or that this thing you call life is a transitory experience of an overall meta-life, and that what you do impacts your next life. What if we are by-products of extraterrestrial genetic manipulation and, like Charles Fort suggested, we're someone's property? Do we bother to listen to what the cows sent to the slaughterhouse want from their future?

I think something like that is the major reason why there's been no disclosure yet. Not that we might have something necessarily to fear from the ETs, but that we would need to fear our responses to their existence, and what they know about the purpose of ours.

[8bitagent]

Very good analysis Attack Ship. Though, I still can't help but shake the feeling that a lot of the genuine UFO/alien stuff people experience is more trickster or spiritual in nature; than "benign space brothers from planet such-in-such spreading peace and observing us" as the UFOlogy/new age meme goes. It's as if these "aliens" reveal just enough with a wink and an eye, to drive people mad but as to not say...be live breaking CNN headline news.

It's like, I hate to say it, Bigfoot. If Bigfoot was a real biological animal, no way there wouldn't be a carcass found or real evidence. I think what we may have with a lot of this stuff is spiritual in nature that can at times take on a brief physical nature. Some UFOs I think are clearly government craft(the 1980 Texas case where the boy and two women were injured) But I would say a lot are not.

[Montag]

I'm not a skeptic Attack, I was just asking a question about if material had been recovered from UFO's (I did put /ETs I don't know what would be recovered from them hair? skin? possibly).

I don't think we have smoking gun proof the UFOs are extraterrestiallly guided, but I'm not going to suspend disbelief and think they are swamp gas or ball lighting.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

NO.

Oh, I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the cover-up of rescuing alien war criminals and their atrocity experiment technologies from Japan and Germany and the story about 'alien technology from outer space'...were afoot at the exact same time.

Get a grip.

[barracuda]

Hugh, you've been proferring that particular keyword hijack morsel for years now, and it hasn't gotten any fresher with age. The first known usage of the word in the noun form to designate an entity from another planet was in 1953, according to Etymology Online. But if you can locate a citation from the late 1940's or 1950's referring to extraterrestrials as "aliens" you win a prize. That terminology didn't become common parlance until the mid 1970's. Before that, E.T.'s were generally known as bug-eyed monsters, Martians, little green men, space beings, humanoid creatures, UFO occupants, etc. I'm sorry, but "alien" is hardly the most-often used word to describe the phenomenon we're discussing here. Thanks for your input though.

[8bitagent]

Is there a contingency plan for first contact with aliens?
http://www.slate.com/id/2260628/?GT1=38001

[seemslikeadream]

I don't have physical evidence but this is pretty interesting

Contact Has Begun

[Stephen Morgan]

Not just space pancakes (which I think are on display in Hangar 13 at Wright-Patterson), Howard Menger claimed the Space Brothers gave him a Moon Potato. Had a very high protein content, apparently. And of course lots of metallic debris, the Maurey Island slag, a few other bits and pieces analysed and found to be normally earthly elements, albeit in slightly odd ratios.