Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

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Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

Postby Penguin » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:08 am

http://www.whistleblowersblog.org/2010/ ... leblowers/

There is also this, which I see as a rather interesting development in context:
Iceland’s economy has been ravaged by the international financial crisis. Rage against corruption sparked protests. Iceland's legislature is now trying to resurrect their economy by ensuring that citizens will have free speech rights that will spur economic growth. On February 16 members of the Icelandic Parliament proposed a bill which could make Iceland a “journalist haven.” It would also provide protections for whistleblowers and other sources who expose fraud. Members of Parliament are obviously keen to the role fraud played in the current crisis. National Public Radio reports on the leadership of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) in calling for a slew of reforms.

IMMI is pushing for strong source and whistleblower protection, communications protections, strict limits on prior restraint and libel, tourism protection and reinvention of that country’s Freedom of Information Act. This legislation respects the work of Wikileaks, the online whistleblowing site which became a key source of information about the causes of Iceland’s financial crisis. Such laws would provide substantive incentives for whistleblowers to come forward, deterring corruption especially in the banking and financial sectors. “It is hard to imagine a better resurrection for a country that has been devastated by financial corruption than to turn to facilitating transparency and justice into a business model,” IMMI states. Hopefully this bill will provide a model for other legislatures, showing them that they can protect their economy from financial corruption by protecting their whistleblowers.


http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/what-w ... urnalists/

snippet, several links at original:

The Icelandic parliament has voted unanimously to create what are intended to be the strongest media freedom laws in the world. And Iceland intends these measures to have international impact, by creating a safe haven for publishers worldwide — and their servers.

The proposal, known as the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative, requires changes to Icelandic law to strengthen journalistic source protection, freedom of speech, and government transparency.

“The Prime Minister voted for it, and the Minister of Finance, and everybody present,” says Icelandic Member of Parliament Birgitta Jónsdóttir, who has been the proposal’s chief sponsor. Her point is that Iceland is serious about this. The country is in the mood for openness after a small group of bankers saddled it with crippling debt, and the proposal ties neatly into the country’s strategy to be prime server real-estate.

But although the legislative package sounds very encouraging from a freedom of expression point of view, it’s not clear what the practical benefits will be to organizations outside Iceland. In his analysis of the proposal, Arthur Bright of the Citizen Media Law Project has noted that, in one major test case of cross-border online libel law, “publication” was deemed to occur at the point of download — meaning that serving a controversial page from Iceland won’t keep you from getting sued in other countries. But if nothing else, it would probably prevent your servers from being forcibly shut down.

There might be other benefits too. Wikileaks says that it routes all submissions through Sweden, where investigations into the identity of an anonymous source are illegal. Wikileaks was heavily involved in drafting and promoting the Icelandic package, and whatever your opinion of their current controversies, they’ve proven remarkably immune to legal prosecution in their short history. Conceivably, other journalism organizations could gain some measure of legal protection for anonymous sources if all communications were routed through Iceland.
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Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:34 am

Obviously tho if you're in Iceland you couldn't give a fuck about his attitude to 9/11 cos he's got points on the board.

And ... really thats not the point.

Cos he isn't the organisation.


If he's sus then there may be something in the 260, 000 diplomatic cables Manning was talking about. Then again they could be denying knowledge of it to protect Manning. If they come out and say "Yeah we got those" then he is in more shit.
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Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

Postby ninakat » Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:30 am

I'm just signing off for the night, but saw this over at Cryptogon, FWIW (I haven't read them yet, but did a quick scan of the first one and it looked like noise -- intelligent-sounding noise -- I'll look tomorrow with my thinking cap on):

Essays on Conspiracies by Julian Assange
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Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

Postby Brentos » Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:38 am

ninakat wrote:I'm just signing off for the night, but saw this over at Cryptogon, FWIW (I haven't read them yet, but did a quick scan of the first one and it looked like noise -- intelligent-sounding noise -- I'll look tomorrow with my thinking cap on):

Essays on Conspiracies by Julian Assange


Have to say, its warms my heart that the internet (ummn free-press/DIY) community can see Wiki-leaks for what it is.
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Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

Postby Sweejak » Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:08 am

ninakat wrote:I'm just signing off for the night, but saw this over at Cryptogon, FWIW (I haven't read them yet, but did a quick scan of the first one and it looked like noise -- intelligent-sounding noise -- I'll look tomorrow with my thinking cap on):

Essays on Conspiracies by Julian Assange



Separating weighted conspiracies

I now return to our earlier idea about cleaving a conspiracy into halves. Then
we looked at dividing a conspiracy into two groups of equal numbers by cutting
the links between conspirators. Now we see that a more interesting idea is to
split the total conspiratorial power in half. Since any isolated half can be viewed
as a conspiracy in its own right we can continue splitting indefinitely.

How can we reduce the ability of a conspiracy to act?
We can marginalise a conspiracy’s ability to act by decreasing total conspirato-
rial power until it is no longer able to understand, and hence respond effectively
to, its environment.
We can split the conspiracy, reduce or eliminating important communication
between a few high weight links or many low weight links.
Traditional attacks on conspiratorial power groupings, such as assassination,
have cut high weight links by killing, kidnapping, blackmailing or otherwise
marginalizing or isolating some of the conspirators they were connected to.

An authoritarian conspiracy that can not think efficiently,
can not act to preserve itself against the opponents it in-
duces


When we look at a conspiracy as an organic whole, we can see a system of
interacting organs, a body with arteries and veins whos blood may be thickened
and slowed till it falls, unable to sufficiently comprehend and control the forces
in its environment.
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Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

Postby Brentos » Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:12 pm

Sweejak wrote:
ninakat wrote:I'm just signing off for the night, but saw this over at Cryptogon, FWIW (I haven't read them yet, but did a quick scan of the first one and it looked like noise -- intelligent-sounding noise -- I'll look tomorrow with my thinking cap on):

Essays on Conspiracies by Julian Assange



Separating weighted conspiracies

I now return to our earlier idea about cleaving a conspiracy into halves. Then
we looked at dividing a conspiracy into two groups of equal numbers by cutting
the links between conspirators. Now we see that a more interesting idea is to
split the total conspiratorial power in half. Since any isolated half can be viewed
as a conspiracy in its own right we can continue splitting indefinitely.

How can we reduce the ability of a conspiracy to act?
We can marginalise a conspiracy’s ability to act by decreasing total conspirato-
rial power until it is no longer able to understand, and hence respond effectively
to, its environment.
We can split the conspiracy, reduce or eliminating important communication
between a few high weight links or many low weight links.
Traditional attacks on conspiratorial power groupings, such as assassination,
have cut high weight links by killing, kidnapping, blackmailing or otherwise
marginalizing or isolating some of the conspirators they were connected to.

An authoritarian conspiracy that can not think efficiently,
can not act to preserve itself against the opponents it in-
duces


When we look at a conspiracy as an organic whole, we can see a system of
interacting organs, a body with arteries and veins whos blood may be thickened
and slowed till it falls, unable to sufficiently comprehend and control the forces
in its environment.


Nice, a systems approach to 'Conspiracy Theory', written by an expert in theoretical conspiracy. Reading that is like snorting treacle up your nose. Maybe they'll find Assange holing up with Bin Laden, the guy counterfeiting FRN notes across from the LA Fed Reserve (wtf happened to that story?), and the man with one arm.

LMFAO: Have you checked out the flowery wikipedia article about him?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange (lurverly photos BTW...)
& this takes the cake:
Assange has said that "you can’t publish a paper on physics without the full experimental data and results; that should be the standard in journalism"
OKAAY....
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Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:10 am

^^^So journalists should attempt terrorist attacks of their own before reporting on any? I guess we can't take Hopsicker seriously until he starts a cocaine smuggling operation himself....
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Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

Postby Nordic » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:52 pm

Well, if he's for real (and I'm a bit on the fence as to that), Assange might be, like many great men, a bit mad.
"He who wounds the ecosphere literally wounds God" -- Philip K. Dick
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Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:23 pm

The more digging I do the more on the level he seems to me.

Anyway while he was growing up he lived in the bush between here and Byron Bay.

Honestly, judging by the people who grow up around here, his career path is similar to many (raised by parents to be an activist and challenge authority, most of them kids are eco warriors tho) - he just got some big scores in his chosen field. So I'm still waiting for definite evidence one way or another on his alleged dodginess.

The Anne Hamilton Byrne thing is interesting, but if he spent a portion of his childhood on the run from her cult then thats not a bad thing either.
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Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

Postby elfismiles » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:36 pm

Hidden Intelligence Operation Behind the Wikileaks Release of "Secret" Documents?
The real story of Wikileaks has clearly not yet been told.
by F. William Engdahl
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=20580
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._William_Engdahl

I don't know much about this author other than his wikipedia entry and i'm not endorsing his view but here it is...



Hidden Intelligence Operation Behind the Wikileaks Release of "Secret" Documents?
The real story of Wikileaks has clearly not yet been told.
by F. William Engdahl
Global Research, August 11, 2010


Since the dramatic release of a US military film of a US airborne shooting of unarmed journalists in Iraq, Wiki-Leaks has gained global notoreity and credibility as a daring website that releases sensitive material to the public from whistleblowers within various governments. Their latest “coup” involved alleged leak of thousands of pages of supposedly sensitive documents regarding US informers within the Taliban in Afghanistan and their ties to senior people linked to Pakistan’s ISI military intelligence. The evidence suggests however that far from an honest leak, it is a calculated disinformation to the gain of the US and perhaps Israeli and Indian intelligence and a coverup of the US and Western role in drug trafficking out of Afghanistan.

Since the posting of the Afghan documents some days ago the Obama White House has given the leaks credibility by claiming further leaks pose a threat to US national security. Yet details of the papers reveals little that is sensitive. The one figure most prominently mentioned, General (Retired) Hamid Gul, former head of the Pakistani military intelligence agency, ISI, is the man who during the 1980’s coordinated the CIA-financed Mujahideen guerilla war in Afghanistan against the Soviet regime there. In the latest Wikileaks documents, Gul is accused of regularly meeting Al Qaeda and Taliban leading people and orchestrating suicide attacks on NATO forces in Afghanistan.

The leaked documents also claim that Osama bin Laden, who was reported dead three years ago by the late Pakistan candidate Benazir Bhutto on BBC, was still alive, conveniently keeping the myth alove for the Obama Administration War on Terror at a point when most Americans had forgotten the original reason the Bush Administration allegedly invaded Afghanistan to pursue the Saudi Bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks.

Demonizing Pakistan?

The naming of Gul today as a key liaison to the Afghan “Taliban” forms part of a larger pattern of US and British recent efforts to demonize the current Pakistan regime as a key part of the problems in Afghanistan. Such a demonization greatly boosts the position of recent US military ally, India. Furthermore, Pakistan is the only muslim country possessing atomic weapons. The Israeli Defense Forces and the Israeli Mossad intelligence agency reportedly would very much like to change that. A phoney campaign against the politically outspoken Gul via Wikileaks could be part of that geopolitical effort.

The London Financial Times says Gul’s name appears in about 10 of roughly 180 classified US files that allege Pakistan’s intelligence service supported Afghan militants fighting Nato forces. Gul told the newspaper the US has lost the war in Afghanistan, and that the leak of the documents would help the Obama administration deflect blame by suggesting that Pakistan was responsible. Gul told the paper, “I am a very favourite whipping boy of America. They can’t imagine the Afghans can win wars on their own. It would be an abiding shame that a 74-year-old general living a retired life manipulating the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan results in the defeat of America.”

Notable, in light of the latest Afghan Wikileaks documents, is the spotlight on the 74-year-old Gul. As I wrote in a previous piece, Warum Afghanistan? Teil VI:Washingtons Kriegsstrategie in Zentralasien, published this June on this website, Gul has been outspoken about the role of the US military in smuggling Afghan heroin out of the country via the top-security Manas Air Base in Kyrgyzstan.

As well, in a UPI interview on September 26, 2001, two weeks after the 9-11 attacks, Gul stated, in reply to the question who did Black Sept. 11?, “Mossad and its accomplices. The US spends $40 billion a year on its 11 intelligence agencies. That’s $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don’t believe it. Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators…” [1] Gul is clearly not well liked in Washington. He claims his request for travel visas to the UK and to the USA have repeatedly been denied. Making Gul into the arch enemy would suit some in Washington nicely.

Who is Julian Assange?

Wikileaks founder and “Editor-in-chief”, Julian Assange, is a mysterious 29-year-old Australian about whom little is known. He has suddenly become a prominent public figure offering to mediate with the White House over the leaks. Following the latest leaks, Assange told Der Spiegel, one of three outlets with which he shared material from the most recent leak, that the documents he had unearthed would “change our perspective on not only the war in Afghanistan, but on all modern wars.” He stated in the same interview that ‘”I enjoy crushing bastards.” Wikileaks, founded in 2006 by Assange, has no fixed home and Assange claims he “lives in airports these days.”

Yet a closer examination of the public position of Assange on one of the most controversial issues of recent decades, the forces behind the September 11, 2001 attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center shows him to be curiously establishment. When the Belfast Telegraph interviewed him on July 19, he stated,

"Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It's important not to confuse these two...." What about 9/11?: "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." What about the Bilderberg Conference?: "That is vaguely conspiratorial, in a networking sense. We have published their meeting notes." [2]


That statement from a person who has built a reputation of being anti-establishment is more than notable. First, as thousands of physicists, engineers, military professionals and airline pilots have testified, the idea that 19 barely-trained Arabs armed with box-cutters could divert four US commercial jets and execute the near-impossible strikes on the Twin Towers and Pentagon over a time period of 93 minutes with not one Air Force NORAD military interception, is beyond belief. Precisely who executed the professional attack is a matter for genuine unbiased international inquiry.

Notable for Mr Assange’s blunt denial of any sinister 9/11 conspiracy is the statement in a BBC interview by former US Senator, Bob Graham, who chaired the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence when it performed its Joint Inquiry into 9/11. Graham told BBC, "I can just state that within 9/11 there are too many secrets, that is information that has not been made available to the public for which there are specific tangible credible answers and that that withholding of those secrets has eroded public confidence in their government as it relates to their own security." BBC narrator: "Senator Graham found that the cover-up led to the heart of the administration." Bob Graham: "I called the White House and talked with Ms. Rice and said, ‘Look, we've been told we're gonna get cooperation in this inquiry, and she said she'd look into it, and nothing happened.’”

Of course, the Bush Administration was able to use the 9/11 attacks to launch its War on Terrorism in Afghanistan and then Iraq, a point Assange conveniently omits.

For his part, General Gul claims that US intelligence orchestrated the Wikileaks on Afghanistan to find a scapegoat, Gul, to blame. Conveniently, as if on cue, British Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron, on a state visit to India, lashed out at the alleged role of Pakistan in supporting Taliban in Afghanistan, conveniently lending further credibility to the Wikileaks story. The real story of Wikileaks has clearly not yet been told.

Notes


[1] General Hamid Gul, Arnaud de Borchgrave 2001 Interview with Hamid Gul, Former ISI Chief, UPI, reprinted July 2010 on http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/28 ... isi-chief/

[2] Julian Assange, Interview in Belfast Telegraph, July 19, 2010.


F. William Engdahl is a frequent contributor to Global Research. Global Research Articles by F. William Engdahl


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Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

Postby Brentos » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:26 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:^^^So journalists should attempt terrorist attacks of their own before reporting on any? I guess we can't take Hopsicker seriously until he starts a cocaine smuggling operation himself....


Not sure how you arrive at those conclusions. At the very least I give Assange the 'slashdot.com' excuse. Slashdot has some real intelligent techie people on there, but when it comes to serious critical non-systems, non-mainstream thinking, forget it.

Physics Prof. Denis Rancourt sums it up:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... a&aid=3140

he has a great blog also, that is verbalizing what many activists are seeing (its small vs big not left vs right )

http://activistteacher.blogspot.com/
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Postby Byrne » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:02 pm

elfismiles wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._William_Engdahl

I don't know much about this author other than his wikipedia entry....

It is interesting that the Wiki 'Discussion' page on Engdahl is 6 times the size of his 'Article' page......

I have read a lot of Engdahl's work - he seems to be a credible researcher to me who has written extensively on energy & monetary policy (see, for instance, his article
The Bank of England and the Federal Reserve System
I posted in the data dump here).

Engdahl has been smitten with the 'conspiracy theorist' tag, but that seems to happen to a lot of serious research(ers) whose theses (albeit well referenced/credible) are dismissed without really answering/contending the points made?

More of Engdahl's stuff at his website:
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/

(The latter part of his URL shows where he's at)
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Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:48 am

I *named* "9/11 truth" and I'm probably more annoyed by it than Assange. From Jimmy Walter, von Kleist and Loose Change forward, it was successfully subverted into a fact-free toxic garbage dump with an attached cult that diverts from the issues of the 9/11 operation and any effective way of approaching it, and merely taints those who touch it. Where it was the opportunity to expose the deep state and parapolitics in the most lasting and positive way, it instead became a requirement for anyone doing other serious work on these subjects to issue a preemptive self-protection. You seriously want to complain about Assange doing this, in 2010? Tough. Some of you posting here to whine about it actually have yourselves to partly blame. Assange is a thousand times likelier (if still unlikely) to get something genuine hot, like the wargames plans for the day, and to publish it in a way that attracts attention, than those of you wanting to make a big deal about his comments now. Because he actually knows what he's doing, and all you've got is complaints about the 100,000 documents on the Afghan war that wouldn't have been out without him because it doesn't tell you about Freemasons and UFOs. If you're serious about 9/11, buy some books from the real scholars like Nafeez and Paul and Scott and Ruppert and send'em around, and stop harrassing the reporters who aren't covering 9/11, but are putting their lives on the line every day to get out the stuff they can actually dig up (Amy, Scahill, Assange).
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Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is 'annoyed' by 9/11 truth

Postby compared2what? » Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:29 am

Plus there's really no reason to suspect him, beyond the four or five suggestive grains of sand his critics focus on, to the exclusion of the rest of the shoreline.

Which is, you know, expansive and has many more significant features from which character and motivation can usually be more reliably inferred than they can be from a quote the meaning of which isn't even really knowable with any certainty, absent a much, much fuller context than what we've got here -- ie, how the question that elicited the remark was phrased; whether he said it in passing while in the midst of saying something else; whether it's a true and/or fair representation of what he said; et cetera.

elfismiles wrote:Hidden Intelligence Operation Behind the Wikileaks Release of "Secret" Documents?
The real story of Wikileaks has clearly not yet been told.
by F. William Engdahl
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=20580
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._William_Engdahl


I don't know much about this author other than his wikipedia entry and i'm not endorsing his view but here it is...


He was an out-and-proud Larouchie for about twenty years and head of their European operations at some point, until (I think) maybe...the last decade or so?

I'm not sure, because even though he no longer has any formal ties to the Larouche movement and says he'd had enough and split, he still writes from the perspective of Lynnie's worldview.

So....That's about it, as far as I know. Which isn't very far. His work might equally well appear in Counterpunch or on Rense, and read like it was right at home in either venue, depending on how tamped down or lit up he happened to have decided to be.

You know the type.
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