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Daniel Ellsberg describes Afghan war logs as on a par with 'Pentagon Papers'
Former US military analyst leaked documents in 1971 revealing how the American public was misled about the Vietnam war
Daniel Ellsberg, the former US military analyst who compared the Afghanistan war logs with his leaking of the 1971 'Pentagon Papers'. Photograph: Stephen Hird/Reuters
Daniel Ellsberg, a former US military analyst, has described the disclosure of the Afghan war logs as on the scale of his leaking of the "Pentagon Papers" in 1971 revealing how the US public was misled about the Vietnam war.
"An outrageous escalation of the war is taking place," he said. "Look at these cables and see if they give anybody the occasion to say the answer is 'resources''. He added: "After $300bn and 10 years, the Taliban is stronger than they have ever been … We are recruiting for them."
However, the equivalent of the Pentagon Papers on Afghanistan – top secret papers relating to policy – had yet to be leaked, he said.
People could read the logs to discover what they now need to ask, such as what their money was being spent on, he said. They would have an effect on public opinion, but the question, Ellsberg said, was how they would influence the US and UK governments.
He compared them to the document leaked in 2003 by the GCHQ officer, Katharine Gun, which revealed how the US asked Britain to spy on neutral countries at the UN before the invasion of Iraq. The disclosure influenced the attitude of the neutral countries who refused to vote for the invasion
The New Yorker (hardly a truther rag) has covered that to a fair extent going back to 1998 or so. If you go to newyorker.com and use their search function you'll find some of the pertinent stuff.8bitagent wrote:I remember the days when saying Pakistan was in bed with the Taliban and al qaeda was conspiracy truther stuff, now all the sudden its headline news used as propaganda to propegate future conflicts.
Elvis wrote:The New Yorker (hardly a truther rag) has covered that to a fair extent going back to 1998 or so. If you go to newyorker.com and use their search function you'll find some of the pertinent stuff.8bitagent wrote:I remember the days when saying Pakistan was in bed with the Taliban and al qaeda was conspiracy truther stuff, now all the sudden its headline news used as propaganda to propegate future conflicts.
The first New Yorker article concerning Pakistan and the Taliban etc. that came to my mind today was one from not long after 9/11, about Hamid Gul, among other things, that featured a big photo of him (he told the writer the Jews did it). So I searched it on their site today but it didn't come up. Curious, I thought. (Now I'll have to dig through my past print issues to find it; a nightmare---random piles of them are stashed everywhere around my place).
Anyway, my "New Yorker"+"Hamid Gul" Google search did yield still-active links to old New Yorker articles containing "Hamid Gul"---links that do not come up in The New Yorker's own internal search engine (even more curious?)---on historycommons.org, namely in the 9/11 Timeline. So try History Commons for links to articles about Pakistan and the Taliban, Hamid Gul etc.
(I could have overlooked it but still didn't find the article I set out to find. If I find the hard copy I'll scan & post it. It's always interesting to go back to these things in the light of new developments and the accompanying spin.)
In a more recent New Yorker article about US-Pakistani relations, a Pakistani official said that if there was a popularity poll in Pakistan today, the US would score lower than India---the gist being they rilly resent US bullying.
(PS I'd get some links for y'all myself but am burned out on that search for today...plus I *should* be working)
Elvis wrote:The New Yorker (hardly a truther rag) has covered that to a fair extent going back to 1998 or so. If you go to newyorker.com and use their search function you'll find some of the pertinent stuff.8bitagent wrote:I remember the days when saying Pakistan was in bed with the Taliban and al qaeda was conspiracy truther stuff, now all the sudden its headline news used as propaganda to propegate future conflicts.
The first New Yorker article concerning Pakistan and the Taliban etc. that came to my mind today was one from not long after 9/11, about Hamid Gul, among other things, that featured a big photo of him (he told the writer the Jews did it). So I searched it on their site today but it didn't come up. Curious, I thought. (Now I'll have to dig through my past print issues to find it; a nightmare---random piles of them are stashed everywhere around my place).
Anyway, my "New Yorker"+"Hamid Gul" Google search did yield still-active links to old New Yorker articles containing "Hamid Gul"---links that do not come up in The New Yorker's own internal search engine (even more curious?)---on historycommons.org, namely in the 9/11 Timeline. So try History Commons for links to articles about Pakistan and the Taliban, Hamid Gul etc.
(I could have overlooked it but still didn't find the article I set out to find. If I find the hard copy I'll scan & post it. It's always interesting to go back to these things in the light of new developments and the accompanying spin.)
In a more recent New Yorker article about US-Pakistani relations, a Pakistani official said that if there was a popularity poll in Pakistan today, the US would score lower than India---the gist being they rilly resent US bullying.
(PS I'd get some links for y'all myself but am burned out on that search for today...plus I *should* be working)
DoYouEverWonder wrote:
While the Army was deciding what to do, Special Forces soldiers saw two Russian-made helicopters fly into the area where bin Laden was believed to be, load up passengers and fly toward Pakistan.
"I said, `There he goes,'" the soldier said.
8bitagent wrote:My question is, why isnt the media reporting on Historycommons, which blows the lid off 9/11 and so many other events.
elfismiles wrote:Julian Assange, Daniel Ellsberg, and Ray McGovern will be interviewed today by Scott Horton on ANTI-WAR-RADIO
Listen...
http://www.LRN.fm
http://www.AnomalyRadio.com
http://www.KaosRadioAustin.org
Podcasts will be posted
Here
http://antiwar.com/radio/
and Here
http://www.scotthortonshow.com
Meanwhile, a Video Guide by Julian on WhistleBlowing
Julian Assange: Whistleblower Guidelines (Video)
The Center for Investigative Journalism
http://www.tcij.org/whistleblower-guide ... 2-f6703762
seemslikeadream wrote:
thank you elfis
Hmmm.... that is a really interesting question in the light of NYT "journalists" meeting with the CIA prior to the Wikileaks data being released.
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