'British spy' found dead in bath

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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby The Consul » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:28 am

men rumored to be gay become anal about their sim cards then spend days shopping for the right size and colour gymnasium bag in which they can curl up and suffocate. Finding one with a zipper lead on the inside is tricky.
Poor lad, came across something particularly juicey and thought he'd fill that bag with pounds sterling with a quick phone call or two. Something easy on the side not involving national security. Bollocks! He'll be guilty of whatever it was he found now. right right.
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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby Fixx » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:14 am

The Consul wrote:men rumored to be gay become anal about their sim cards then spend days shopping for the right size and colour gymnasium bag in which they can curl up and suffocate. Finding one with a zipper lead on the inside is tricky.
Poor lad, came across something particularly juicey and thought he'd fill that bag with pounds sterling with a quick phone call or two. Something easy on the side not involving national security. Bollocks! He'll be guilty of whatever it was he found now. right right.


Even harder to find one with a padlock on the outside that can be locked from the inside.

The body of an MI6 employee found at his flat was padlocked into a sports bag, an inquest has heard.

Gareth Williams, 30, originally from Anglesey, was discovered dead in the bath at his home in Pimlico, west London, on 23 August.

A post-mortem examination was unable to establish how Mr Williams died.

At the opening of the inquest into his death at Westminster Coroner's Court, the coroner revealed the body was locked inside a sports holdall.
Dr Paul Knapman told the hearing that the information he had from the police was that Mr Williams' body was in a large holdall in the bath of an en-suite bathroom of the main bedroom.

The hearing was told that the body was in an advanced state of decomposition.

The inquest has been adjourned.

BBC Home Affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said details of the padlock "clearly indicates someone else was involved" in the incident.
'Maths genius'

The body was discovered when officers broke into the Alderney Street flat after colleagues said Mr Williams had not been seen for at least 10 days.

Police are treating the death as "suspicious and unexplained".

Toxicological tests are being carried out to ascertain whether Mr Williams - described as a "maths genius" - had traces of drugs or alcohol in his system.

On Saturday police warned it could be several days before the tests, which also hope to detect signs of asphyxiation or poisoning, are concluded.
'Very private person'

Mr Williams is believed to have lain undiscovered for a lengthy period, with the last confirmed sighting of him alive on 15 August.

His family has issued a statement which said: "Gareth was a generous, loving son, brother, and friend, and he was a very private person.

"He was a great athlete, and loved music.

"His loss has devastated us and we would ask that anyone with information come forward and assist the police enquiry."

Mr Williams, a keen cyclist, graduated with a first class degree in maths from Bangor University aged 17.

He worked at the government listening post GCHQ in Cheltenham and was on secondment to MI6's headquarters on the bank of the Thames in London.


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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby Stephen Morgan » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:55 pm

According to the news reports of the inquest there were no wounds from stabbing, shooting or strangulation. HE was, however, found padlocked inside a big bag. In the bath.
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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby semper occultus » Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:08 am

Was body of MI6 spy submerged in mystery fluid to speed up decay?

By Abul Taher and Ian Gallagher dailymail.co.uk

Last updated at 5:05 AM on 5th September 2010

The policeman who found the body of MI6 codebreaker Gareth Williams said it was submerged in ‘fluid’, The Mail on Sunday has learned.

An inquest heard last week that the 31-year-old spy was padlocked in a sports hold-all and left in the bath of his two-bedroom flat in Pimlico, Central London.

But the disclosure that he was also covered by liquid – not thought to be blood or water – has raised fears that a substance was used to accelerate decay and complicate toxicology tests.
Now, nearly two weeks after cycling enthusiast Mr Williams was found in his flat, police are apparently no nearer to learning how or when he died.


This is despite a post-mortem, a second examination and toxicology tests, the results of which might not be available for weeks.
Sources close to the inquiry say the PC who found the body described it as being in ‘fluid’ when he radioed for assistance. Detectives at the scene are understood to have used the same word in their reports.
Immediately after making the discovery at the flat, the PC said: ‘This is a murder scene.’

But speculation that he was the victim of a professional ‘hit’ was given credence last night after further details of his work were disclosed.
‘He was involved in some very sensitive projects, known as codeword protected,’ said a security expert.

A source said he had the highest security clearance available to an intelligence officer and was part of a secretive ‘cell’ that created devices that can steal data from mobiles and laptops.


‘This meant that only the people in his cell would know what he was working on, and nobody else in his organisation.
‘You are signed in to these projects and once you finish one you are signed out and you no longer have access to any data or news about what is happening in the project.’

Mr Williams – a child prodigy who had a degree in maths at 17 and then a PhD in the subject – was part of a team that created devices which ‘hook’ on to mobiles and laptops.
‘It is an aggressive form of Bluetooth or similar wireless technology,’ said the security expert.
He said such devices would be used by spies on the ground to steal data from the handsets of unsuspecting terrorists, organised criminals or officers from rival intelligence agencies.


‘Traditionally, there has been a separation of MI6 and GCHQ,’ said the expert. ‘MI6 has been full of the James Bond types working on the ground and GCHQ is filled with boffins with beards who are doing their scientific stuff.
‘But recently there has been a merger of these agencies’ work and Williams was at the forefront of that. This was why he was on secondment to MI6.’

He added that Mr Williams did similar work when he had stints at the National Security Agency in America.

The NSA is the equivalent of GCHQ and has been leading the West’s attempts to intercept communication between Al Qaeda cells.

Mr Williams worked for the Special Delivery Team, a unit set up in the NSA to create advanced bugging and intercepting devices.
‘If you just look at Williams’s CV, you know he has worked in some of the most important data-mining centres in the UK and US. His salary is no indication of his rank,’ said the expert.


It has also emerged that before his secondment to MI6, Mr Williams worked briefly for MI5, the domestic security agency. As part of that work, he was sent to Bulgaria on a secret mission.
A source close to the investigation said that on August 23 police were asked to check on Mr Williams’s flat as he had not shown up for work. Just before 6pm, a PC went to the Georgian townhouse in Alderney Street, which has been converted into four flats on four floors. Mr Williams had the top one.
The PC could not get into the house so the letting agent, W.A. Ellis, was called and a woman employee arrived with keys.
She hovered at Mr Williams’s door as the PC went inside. Within minutes he emerged quickly from the en suite bathroom and escorted the woman back downstairs. He then told her: ‘You stay here. This is now a murder scene.’
This weekend, staff at W. A. Ellis, of Knightsbridge, refused to confirm details.
A spokeswoman said: ‘36 Alderney Street is owned by a private company, New Rodina.
‘There has been speculation that it is linked to MI6 or that it is a front for MI6. Our clients do not have any links to MI6 whatsoever and are distressed by the death of Mr Williams.’
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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby Jeff » Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:23 am

From the original story:

But a police source stressed that he had not been formally identified, and that while the man's employment documentation suggested he had indeed worked for the secret service, "he might have been an air conditioning technician rather than a spy".

"If he really was a spy, you imagine someone would have reported him missing rather sooner," the source added.


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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby smiths » Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:42 pm

ok, so would you speculate jeff that the dude in the bath is not who they are saying he is?
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby Jeff » Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:57 pm

smiths wrote:ok, so would you speculate jeff that the dude in the bath is not who they are saying he is?


I think you're misunderstanding me. That was simply a sarcastic reminder of the initial Oh he probably wasn't doing anything special damage control. Apologies for the ambiguity.
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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby smiths » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:16 pm

yes i had misunderstood,
although i think the misunderstood line of thought is worth considering,

everyone now assumes that the because the guy is found in the bath at the spy's house that the person in the bath is the spy,
but if i may be allowed to embark on some wild speculation,

1. assuming the spy is killed at home, why is he in a bag?
2. assuming the spy is killed somewhere else, why take him to his home knowing that will be the first place searched when his disappearance is noted, as indeed was the case?
3. if he was killed with some weird toxin the easiest way of hiding that would be to not leave his body in his apartment for people to find and test

how about this, someone wants everyone to think the spy is dead, possibly the spy himself,
a body is found in his apartment, the presumption is obvious, its him,
but the body is in a fluid that makes identification very very difficult
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby justdrew » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:25 am

it's odd that gchq/mi6 didn't have someone to go look in on their valuable asset and instead "called the police" to have them go check on him. Possibly he was already eliminated and in process of being 'cleaned up' when some disgruntled person who wasn't happy with the elimination and/or cleanup operation called the cops to blow the lid off things.
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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:25 pm

BBC's Jon Brain sez.. "If indeed he was murdered".. and "Officers said Mr Williams, from Anglesey, was found unclothed, in a zipped and padlocked red North Face holdall, which was in an empty bath in the ensuite bathroom."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11201945
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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby beeline » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:27 pm

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It's all a Northface viral marketing scam.
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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby justdrew » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:36 pm

beeline wrote:.

It's all a Northface viral marketing scam.


you ask, "Just how big is our NEW Sports Cary-All bag?"


I don't get it though, really, unless they're talking about one of the snowboard/ski bags, I just don't see any bags they make large enough to put a whole person in.
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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby beeline » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:48 pm

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The only duffel large enough to put the average person in would be the ones hockey players use to move their equipment. Don't know if Northface makes any of those or not.
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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby The Consul » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:26 pm

Fixx wrote:
The Consul wrote:men rumored to be gay become anal about their sim cards then spend days shopping for the right size and colour gymnasium bag in which they can curl up and suffocate. Finding one with a zipper lead on the inside is tricky.
Poor lad, came across something particularly juicey and thought he'd fill that bag with pounds sterling with a quick phone call or two. Something easy on the side not involving national security. Bollocks! He'll be guilty of whatever it was he found now. right right.


Even harder to find one with a padlock on the outside that can be locked from the inside.

The body of an MI6 employee found at his flat was padlocked into a sports bag, an inquest has heard.

Gareth Williams, 30, originally from Anglesey, was discovered dead in the bath at his home in Pimlico, west London, on 23 August.

A post-mortem examination was unable to establish how Mr Williams died.

At the opening of the inquest into his death at Westminster Coroner's Court, the coroner revealed the body was locked inside a sports holdall.
Dr Paul Knapman told the hearing that the information he had from the police was that Mr Williams' body was in a large holdall in the bath of an en-suite bathroom of the main bedroom.

The hearing was told that the body was in an advanced state of decomposition.

The inquest has been adjourned.

BBC Home Affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said details of the padlock "clearly indicates someone else was involved" in the incident.
'Maths genius'

The body was discovered when officers broke into the Alderney Street flat after colleagues said Mr Williams had not been seen for at least 10 days.

Police are treating the death as "suspicious and unexplained".

Toxicological tests are being carried out to ascertain whether Mr Williams - described as a "maths genius" - had traces of drugs or alcohol in his system.

On Saturday police warned it could be several days before the tests, which also hope to detect signs of asphyxiation or poisoning, are concluded.
'Very private person'

Mr Williams is believed to have lain undiscovered for a lengthy period, with the last confirmed sighting of him alive on 15 August.

His family has issued a statement which said: "Gareth was a generous, loving son, brother, and friend, and he was a very private person.

"He was a great athlete, and loved music.

"His loss has devastated us and we would ask that anyone with information come forward and assist the police enquiry."

Mr Williams, a keen cyclist, graduated with a first class degree in maths from Bangor University aged 17.

He worked at the government listening post GCHQ in Cheltenham and was on secondment to MI6's headquarters on the bank of the Thames in London.


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Re: 'British spy' found dead in bath

Postby justdrew » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:55 pm

I just can't believe a guy like this doesn't show up for work at MIfucking6 and they don't send some security round his house the next day at latest. I mean, how did they know he hadn't taken off to Russia with all the secrets he could get his hands on? Is Brittan become such a joke they can't even perform basic security for their assets?
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