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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:21 pm

Deliberate Evil: The American Strategy of Seeding Civil War
WRITTEN BY CHRIS FLOYD
TUESDAY, 02 NOVEMBER 2010 10:37
Pressing business elsewhere precludes me from giving proper attention to this, but I must take a moment to urge you to read -- immediately -- the new article by Gareth Porter at Antiwar.com: "Torture Orders Were Part of US Sectarian War Strategy."

Porter delves into the latest Wikileaks trove to find new and detailed evidence of how the vicious sectarian civil war in Iraq in 2004-2008 -- which killed thousands of people, subjected thousands to brutal and macabre tortures, drove hundreds of thousands of people from their homes -- was deliberately seeded and constantly fueled by the leaders of the American occupation.

More specifically, Porter shows that the instigation and exacerbation of civil war and sectarian "cleansing" was the brainchild of the supposed master of "counterinsurgency," the bemedalled darling of the bipartisan political and media establishments, General David Petraeus -- the same man whom the progressive Peace Laureate now in the White House has put in charge of Afghanistan. Petraeus, we are told -- always in gushing, adulatory prose (with Obama himself as Gusher-in-Chief) -- is now striving mightily to produce in Afghanistan the "same results" he got in Iraq.

We've been noting here for years how American leaders deliberately fomented the unimaginable hell that the unprovoked, illegal invasion and rapacious occupation inflicted on the people of Iraq, how with death squads and torture -- both directly and by proxy -- they deliberately, knowingly, willingly deepened the sectarian divides in Iraqi society, how they armed, funded and empowered some of the most retograde extremist factions to do the dirty work for the imperial masters, and how this strategy led to the rise of violent extremism to counter the American-led assault. Porter, working with the invaluable Wikileaks documents and also doing valuable research in media archives, brings us fresh and damning confirmation of this genuinely evil strategy.

Again, time prevents me from giving this article its due, but please head there as soon as you can and read the whole thing. And as you read, remember that the president and party that you are being urged to "save" at the polls today have, of their own free will, taken the same promulgators of this evil strategy and placed them in charge of yet another brutal and aggressive occupation of foreign lands, with, indeed, the "same results": thousands and thousands of innocent dead, vast ruin, vast ruin, the ever-increasing exacerbation of violent sectarianism, tribal conflict and intolerant religious extremism. This is precisely what you are voting for, if you vote Democrat -- or Republican, for that matter -- today.


Torture Orders Were Part of US Sectarian War Strategy
by Gareth Porter, November 02, 2010

The revelation by WikiLeaks of a U.S. military order directing U.S. forces not to investigate cases of torture of detainees by Iraqis has been treated in news reports as yet another case of lack of concern by the U.S. military about detainee abuse.

But the deeper significance of the order, which has been missed by the news media, is that it was part of a larger U.S. strategy of exploiting Shi’a sectarian hatred against Sunnis to help suppress the Sunni insurgency when Sunnis had rejected the U.S. war.


And Gen. David Petraeus was a key figure in developing the strategy of using Shi’a and Kurdish forces to suppress Sunnis in 2004-2005.

The strategy involved the deliberate deployment of Shi’a and Kurdish police commandos in areas of Sunni insurgency in the full knowledge that they were torturing Sunni detainees, as the reports released by WikiLeaks show.

That strategy inflamed Sunni fears of Shi’a rule and was a major contributing factor to the rise of al-Qaeda’s influence in the Sunni areas. The escalating Sunni-Shi’a violence it produced led to the massive sectarian warfare of 2006 in Baghdad in which tens of thousands of civilians – mainly Sunnis – were killed.

The strategy of using primarily Shi’a and Kurdish military and police commando units to suppress Sunni insurgents was adopted after a key turning point in the war in April 2004, when Civil Defense Corps units throughout the Sunni region essentially disappeared overnight during an insurgent offensive.

Two months later, the U.S. military command issued “FRAGO [fragmentary order] 242,” which provided that no investigation of detainee abuse by Iraqis was to be conducted unless directed by the headquarters of the command, according to references to the order in the WikiLeaks documents.

The order came immediately after Gen. Petraeus took command of the new Multi-National Security Transition Command in Iraq (MNSTC-I). It was a clear signal that the U.S. command expected torture of prisoners to be a central feature of Iraqi military and police operations against Sunni insurgents.

Petraeus knew that it would take more than two years to build a competent Iraqi military officer corps, as he told Bing West, author of the The Strongest Tribe, in August 2004. Meanwhile, he would have to use Shi’a and Kurdish militias.

In September 2004, Petraeus adopted a plan to establish paramilitary units within the national police.

The initial units were from non-sectarian former Iraqi special forces teams. In October, however, Petraeus embraced the first clearly sectarian Shi’a militia unit – the 2,000-man Shi’a “Wolf Brigade,” as a key element of his police commando strategy, giving it two months of training with U.S. forces.

In November 2004, after 80 percent of the Sunni police defected to the insurgents in Mosul, the U.S. command dispatched 2,000 Kurdish peshmerga militiamen to Mosul, and five battalions of predominantly Shi’a troops, with a smattering of Kurds, were to police Ramadi. But a few weeks later, after the completion of its training, the Wolf Brigade was also sent to Mosul.

Hundreds of Shi’a troops from Baghdad and southern areas of the country were also sent into Samara and Fallujah.

It did not take long for the Wolf Brigade to acquire its reputation for torture of Sunni detainees. The Associated Press reported the case of a female detainee in Wolf Brigade custody in Mosul who was whipped with electric cables in order to get her to sign a false confession that she was a high-ranking local leader of the insurgency.

But an official of the U.S. command later told Richard Engel of NBC that the Wolf Brigade had been a very effective unit and had driven the insurgents out of Mosul.

The Wolf Brigade was then sent to Sunni neighbourhoods in Baghdad, where the Association of Muslim Scholars publicly accused it of having “arrested imams and the guardians of some mosques, tortured and killed them, and then got rid of their bodies in a garbage dump…”

The Wolf Brigade was also deployed to other Sunni cities, including Ramadi and Samarra, always in close cooperation with U.S. military units.

The war logs released by WikiLeaks include a number of reports from Samarra in 2004 and 2005 describing how the U.S. military had handed their captives over to the Wolf Brigade for “further questioning.” The implication was that the Shi’a commandos would be able to extract more information from the detainees than would be allowed by U.S. rules.

Gen. Martin Dempsey, who succeeded Petraeus as the commander responsible for training Iraqi security forces in September 2005, hinted strongly in an interview with Elizabeth Vargas of ABC News three months later that the U.S. command accepted the Wolf Brigade’s harsh interrogation methods as a necessary feature of using Iraqi counterinsurgency forces.

Dempsey said, “We are fighting through a very harsh environment… these guys are not fighting on the streets of Bayonne, New Jersey.” Contrary to the Western notion of “innocent until proven guilty,” he said the view in Iraq was “close” to the “opposite.”

Vargas reported, “For Dempsey, a big part of building a viable police force is learning to accept, if not embrace, the cultural differences.”

A second stage of the strategy of sectarian war against the Sunnis came after the new Shi’a government’s takeover of the Interior Ministry in April 2005. The Shi’a minister immediately filled the Iraqi police – especially the commando units – with Shi’a troops from the Badr Corps, the Iranian-trained forces loyal to the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq.

Within days the Badr Corps, along with the Wolf Brigade, began a campaign of mass arrests, torture, and assassination of Sunnis in Baghdad and elsewhere that was widely reported by news agencies.

The U.S. command responded to that development by issuing a new version of the previous order on what to do about Iraqi torture, according to the WikiLeaks documents. On April 29, 2005, the U.S. command issued FRAGO 039 requiring reports through operational channels on Iraqi abuse of prisoners using a format attached to the order. But no follow-up investigation was to be made unless directed by higher headquarters.

The former minister of interior, Falah al-Naquib, later told Knight-Ridder correspondent Tom Lasseter that he had personally warned Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other U.S. officials about the sectarian violence by Badr police commandos against Sunnis. “They didn’t take us seriously,” he lamented.

In fact, the U.S. military and the U.S. embassy were well aware of the serious risk that the strategy of relying on vengeful Shi’a police commandos to track down Sunnis would exacerbate sectarian tensions between Sunnis and Shi’a. In May 2005, Ann Scott Tyson wrote in the Washington Post that U.S. military analysts did not deny that the U.S. strategy “aggravates the underlying fault lines in Iraqi society, heightening the prospects of civil strife.”

In late July 2005, when Petraeus was still heading the command, an unnamed “senior American officer” at MNSTC-I was asked by John F. Burns of the New York Times whether the U.S. might end up arming Iraqis for a civil war. The officer answered, “Maybe.”

The U.S.-sponsored Shi’a assault on the Sunnis gave al-Qaeda a new opportunity. In mid-2005, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, announced the creation of a special unit, the Omar Brigade, to combat the Shi’a commando torture and death squads. That led to the massive sectarian bloodletting in Baghdad in 2006, when thousands of civilians were dying every month.
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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:40 pm

Sweden to Issue Int'l Warrant for Assange
Swedish prosecutors to issue international arrest warrant for WikiLeaks' Assange in rape case
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The elusive Australian behind the biggest leak of U.S. war documents in history is wanted by Sweden in a drawn-out rape probe, and could soon face an international arrest warrant curtailing his ability to jump from one country to another.

A Swedish court on Thursday approved a motion to bring Julian Assange, the 39-year-old founder of WikiLeaks, into custody for questioning. The decision paves the way for prosecutors to seek his arrest abroad through Interpol.

Assange, whose whereabouts are unknown, is suspected of rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion. He has denied the allegations, which stem from his encounters with two women during a visit to Sweden in August.

His lawyer in Britain, Mark Stephens, said Assange had consensual sex with both women who then turned on him after becoming aware of each other's relationships.

The irregular evolution of the case, in which prosecutors of different ranks have overruled each other, has sparked questions about Sweden's legal system and conspiracy theories about intelligence agencies seeking to silence and discredit Assange and WikiLeaks.

The site has published almost 500,000 secret U.S. documents about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.


Governments and some of Assange's own colleagues have denounced him for releasing Afghan documents that contained the names of Afghan intelligence sources for NATO forces, saying that could place the sources' lives at risk.

After the sex charges first appeared in August, Assange was quoted by a Swedish tabloid as saying he'd been warned that the Pentagon planned to use dirty tricks to spoil things for WikiLeaks.

He later told Sweden's TV4 he wasn't pointing fingers at anyone.

"That doesn't mean that intelligence agencies are behind this, nor does it mean they are not behind it, nor does it mean once this has happened, for other reasons, that they are not capitalizing on it," he said.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:41 pm

US Congress warns of 'damaging' new WikiLeaks release
The United States has warned foreign governments that a damaging release of classified diplomatic cables by the controversial WikiLeaks website is likely in the coming days.

By Nick Allen in Los Angeles 10:57PM GMT 24 Nov 2010
The huge cache of files is thought to include candid reports by US officials abroad of corruption allegations against named politicians and nations.
There may also be embarrassing assessments of foreign leaders and officials who have had dealings with US diplomats.
According to the Obama administration the revelations could harm relations between the US and its friends and allies around the world, even putting lives at risk.

State Department spokesman P J Crowley said the documents may be "harmful to our national security. It does put lives at risk. It does put national interests at risk."
"They are going to create tension in relationships between our diplomats and our friends around the world,"
The cables are internal documents that include secret communications between US diplomatic outposts and State Department headquarters in Washington.
They may also include examples of pressure placed by the Obama administration on various countries to accept the transfer of Guantánamo Bay detainees, and details of surveillance programs at US facilities in other countries.
Many of the documents are expected to focus on Europe, but they are also likely to include cables between the US and countries in the Middle East and Asia.
Among the countries whose politicians feature in the reports are Russia, Afghanistan and former Soviet republics in Central Asia.
The US State Department has informed Congress of the impending release and its officials abroad have been instructed to speak to their counterparts to limit the potential damage to relations.
The Pentagon also warned that the files could contain information about military tactics or reveal the identities of sources.
Pentagon officials immediately boosted a working group they have ready to analyse any document release by WikiLeaks from 60 to 100 staff.
In a statement WikiLeaks, which has "We open governments" as its motto, said: "The Pentagon is hyperventilating again over fears of being held to account." In July the self-styled whistle-blowing website published a cache of 77,000 US documents relating to the war in Afghanistan, and that was followed in October by a larger release of 400,000 files on the Iraq war.
WikiLeaks has not said what will be contained in its coming release but has indicated that it will be "seven times" the Iraq War logs, or about 2.8 million documents.
Last week Sweden issued an international arrest warrant for Julian Assange, the Australian head of the website, for questioning related to rape and sexual molestation accusations.
Lawyers for Mr Assange have said the allegations against him are "false and without basis" and that he has repeatedly offered to be interviewed by the Swedish authorities.
No one has been charged with providing documents to WikiLeaks but, earlier this year, US Army intelligence analyst Bradley Manning said he had provided cables that would cause US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and diplomats around the world, to "have a heart attack."



Exclusive: Corruption charges to feature in WikiLeaks release

By Mark Hosenball
WASHINGTON | Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:23pm EST
(Reuters) - Classified U.S. diplomatic cables reporting corruption allegations against foreign governments and leaders are expected in official documents that WikiLeaks plans to release soon, sources said on Wednesday.

The whistle-blowing website said on its Twitter feed this week its next release would be seven times larger than the collection of roughly 400,000 Pentagon reports related to the Iraq war which it made public in October.

Three sources familiar with the State Department cables held by WikiLeaks say the corruption allegations in them are major enough to cause serious embarrassment for foreign governments and politicians named in them.

They said the release was expected next week, but could come earlier.

The detailed, candid reporting by U.S. diplomats also may create foreign policy complications for the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama, the sources said.

Among the countries whose politicians feature in the reports are Russia, Afghanistan and former Soviet republics in Central Asia. But other reports also detail potentially embarrassing allegations reported to Washington from U.S. diplomats in other regions including East Asia and Europe, one of the sources familiar with the WikiLeaks holdings said.

The U.S. government has strongly objected to past WikiLeaks revelations, which it said compromise national security and can put some people at risk.

Past WikiLeaks releases of classified U.S. documents on related to Iraq and Afghanistan have given a battlefield view of both conflicts and sensitive intelligence, but contained few startling revelations.

CREATING TENSION

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Washington was assessing the implications of what WikiLeaks may reveal and was notifying foreign governments "that a release of documents is possible in the near future."

"We decry what has happened. These revelations are harmful to the United States and our interests. They are going to create tension in our relationships,' Crowley said. "We wish that this would not happen but we are obviously prepared for the possibility that it will."

Both the State Department and the Pentagon confirmed they had been in touch with lawmakers on Capitol Hill to inform them of what may be coming.

Sources said three international news organizations which previously published stories based on classified U.S. government documents acquired by WikiLeaks -- the New York Times, Britain's Guardian newspaper and the German weekly news magazine Der Spiegel -- were given access the documents some time ago by Julian Assange, the Australian-born computer hacker who says he is WikiLeaks' founder and leader.

Two of the sources said Assange has also made the documents available to at least two other European publications -- the newspapers El Pais of Spain and Le Monde of France.

Assange did not immediately reply to an email seeking comment.

The New York Times, Guardian and Der Spiegel are trying to coordinate when they release their first stories about the material -- likely to be next week -- but one of the sources said that it is unclear whether Le Monde and El Pais will be publishing on the same schedule.

The sources said the documents -- which also report on other local controversies beyond allegations of corruption -- may result in more international uproar than did the earlier release by WikiLeaks of Pentagon reports on the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Asked by e-mail to comment on the latest anticipated WikiLeaks release, New York Times Executive Editor Bill Keller told Reuters: "If we had a big story in the works, we'd be disinclined to discuss it before publication."
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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby crikkett » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:56 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:
Exclusive: Corruption charges to feature in WikiLeaks release

By Mark Hosenball
WASHINGTON | Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:23pm EST
(Reuters) - Classified U.S. diplomatic cables reporting corruption allegations against foreign governments and leaders are expected in official documents that WikiLeaks plans to release soon, sources said on Wednesday...

Three sources familiar with the State Department cables held by WikiLeaks say the corruption allegations in them are major enough to cause serious embarrassment for foreign governments and politicians named in them....

Among the countries whose politicians feature in the reports are Russia, Afghanistan and former Soviet republics in Central Asia. But other reports also detail potentially embarrassing allegations reported to Washington from U.S. diplomats in other regions including East Asia and Europe, one of the sources familiar with the WikiLeaks holdings said...

The New York Times, Guardian and Der Spiegel are trying to coordinate when they release their first stories about the material -- likely to be next week -- but one of the sources said that it is unclear whether Le Monde and El Pais will be publishing on the same schedule...



Could this by related to Sarkozy's recent outburst, where he threatened reporters with allegations of paedophilia?
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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:01 pm

crikkett wrote:Could this by related to Sarkozy's recent outburst, where he threatened reporters with allegations of paedophilia?


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Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:50 pm

Mark Hosenball of Reuters wrote:The New York Times, Guardian and Der Spiegel are trying to coordinate when they release their first stories about the material


If there's one thing that makes me suspicious of Assange and Wikileaks, it's his chosen allies in the corporate media. I mean, just for instance: Der Spiegel? Affectionately known as "the former news magazine" and "the house journal of the CIA in Germany"?

There's also a recent (June 2010) quote from Chomsky about the NYT that seems apposite here:

:"Journalist Chris Hedges is doing
: research on the New York Times, and a few
: weeks ago he came across a memo from the
: managing editor of the New York Times to the
: writers and columnists, saying that they
: were not allowed to mention my name.

: National Public Radio has said in print that
: I'm the one person who will never be allowed
: on their primetime news and discussion
: programme."
:
: http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20100603.htm


So now, all of a sudden, these three establishment rags are gonna go all hard-hitting and fearlessly truth-telling and like totally radically subversive on the Pentagon's ass?

Why would they do that?

I'm like "WTF??!?"
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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:00 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:
So these three establishment rags are now suddenly gonna go all hard-hitting and fearlessly truth-telling and like totally radically subversive on the Pentagon's ass?

Why would they do that?

I'm like "WTF??!?"



Assange is playing them, no doubt, the world knows he gave them this info, and I am sure he will give it to others also. Time will tell what the "Judith Miller" Times will print. It won't matter. In fact if they fuck with the facts..... just confirms who they really are.
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Postby 82_28 » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:07 pm

I was gonna write this in the TSA thread. But isn't it obvious this is a FAKE "tipping point"? All of it. They know it's going to "tip", thus they are managing the "tip" in such a way that EVERYBODY gets hurt, but themselves. Look at this little mainstream meme being begun in the last day.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/23/ ... tml?hpt=C1

If the words "Is America on the path to 'permanent war'?" make it onto the likes of CNN when people such as us have been warning of this shit for, at least as to my part, for the last 10 years probably more, means they are moving onto the next step. And that is war. They intend on erasing their old Etch-A-Sketch drawing.

There is no way the motherfucking Pentagon is getting upstaged by no fucking "open source" upstart they somehow can't hone in on, yet lead everybody to believe they can hone in on some "Muslim" in Yemen or Pakistan with a fucking drone guided by Christian Nintendo players somewhere in fucking Missouri who launches bombs and missiles and radiation to children in said places et al. They can't DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. Can't claim their hands are tied while claiming they can accomplish ANYTHING THEY WANT in order to bring death from the safety of their wired studios. I really feel, 2011 shall start out with a bang. All signs point to it.
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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby anothershamus » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:08 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:
MacCruiskeen wrote:
So these three establishment rags are now suddenly gonna go all hard-hitting and fearlessly truth-telling and like totally radically subversive on the Pentagon's ass?

Why would they do that?

I'm like "WTF??!?"



Assange is playing them, no doubt, the world knows he gave them this info, and I am sure he will give it to others also. Time will tell what the "Judith Miller" Times will print. It won't matter. In fact if they fuck with the facts..... just confirms who they really are.


They are conflicted because when faced with 'real news' they have to decide whether or not to ball up and report some of what is really happening or continue publishing the usual dreck.

Perfect Mac:
In fact if they fuck with the facts..... just confirms who they really are.


I think this next release might be even more telling than the war stuff, of which, we have become so desensitized. I am watching The Lord of the Rings, and the nine ring wraiths are so like the politicians who sold their souls to the corporate masters. Shadows of men, taken to hiding in the dark and plotting!

Maybe this release will show the people something that will shake them out of their stupor.

I don't think that JA is a CIA shill 'they' seem too focused on having him arrested or discredited.

It will be very interesting to watch regardless!
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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:11 pm

anothershamus wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:
MacCruiskeen wrote:
So these three establishment rags are now suddenly gonna go all hard-hitting and fearlessly truth-telling and like totally radically subversive on the Pentagon's ass?

Why would they do that?

I'm like "WTF??!?"



Assange is playing them, no doubt, the world knows he gave them this info, and I am sure he will give it to others also. Time will tell what the "Judith Miller" Times will print. It won't matter. In fact if they fuck with the facts..... just confirms who they really are.


They are conflicted because when faced with 'real news' they have to decide whether or not to ball up and report some of what is really happening or continue publishing the usual dreck.

Perfect Mac:
In fact if they fuck with the facts..... just confirms who they really are.


I think this next release might be even more telling than the war stuff, of which, we have become so desensitized. I am watching The Lord of the Rings, and the nine ring wraiths are so like the politicians who sold their souls to the corporate masters. Shadows of men, taken to hiding in the dark and plotting!

Maybe this release will show the people something that will shake them out of their stupor.

I don't think that JA is a CIA shill 'they' seem too focused on having him arrested or discredited.

It will be very interesting to watch regardless!



and it will all fall on Obama, how can the Times resist?
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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:21 pm

anothershamus wrote:
Perfect Mac:
In fact if they fuck with the facts..... just confirms who they really are.



Thanks, shamus. But it was in fact perfect SLAD!

And SLAD's explanation does makes sense. In supplying this stuff to those corporate rags, Assange is indeed probably a) hedging his bets and b) challenging them to publish in full... I think.

But. I also have no doubt that the respective Editors-in-Chief (and owners) of the NYT, the Guardian and Der Spiegel are in close communication with each other -- and with their respective governments and intelligence agencies -- about exactly how to proceed with publication. So I'd feel easier in my mind if Assange had also supplied the stuff to some other publications that are less deeply tainted with a long history of power-worship and service to power.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:27 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote: So I'd feel easier in my mind if Assange had also supplied the stuff to some other publications that are less deeply tainted with a long history of power-worship and service to power.



and I am sure he will, maybe he's grabbing a bit of free publicity to kick off the game
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Postby Nordic » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:44 pm

82_28 wrote:I was gonna write this in the TSA thread. But isn't it obvious this is a FAKE "tipping point"? All of it. They know it's going to "tip", thus they are managing the "tip" in such a way that EVERYBODY gets hurt, but themselves. Look at this little mainstream meme being begun in the last day.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/23/ ... tml?hpt=C1

If the words "Is America on the path to 'permanent war'?" make it onto the likes of CNN when people such as us have been warning of this shit for, at least as to my part, for the last 10 years probably more, means they are moving onto the next step. And that is war. They intend on erasing their old Etch-A-Sketch drawing.



I saw that article too and wondered at it.

This is CNN?

Obviously, yes, we are already in a state of permanent war, and we have been, in one form or another, since WWII. But for CNN to come out with this piece seems to be some kind of a turning point in the marketing/perception-management realm.

And it's not good. If they're telling us "yes, we're at permanent war, get used to it", that doesn't really bode well.
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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby anothershamus » Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:11 am

Here comes the leaks! This just in from Raw Story:

WikiLeaks release to show NATO ally Turkey helped Al Qaeda in Iraq

By Reuters
Thursday, November 25th, 2010 -- 11:03 pm

WikiLeaks release to show NATO ally Turkey helped Al Qaeda in Iraq

US diplomatic cables set for imminent release by WikiLeaks will reportedly show that NATO ally Turkey aided Al Qaeda in Iraq, while the US supported the PKK, a Kurdish separatist group fighting Turkey.

The claim was made in the London-based Arabic newspaper Al-Hayat, reports Reuters:

The next release is expected to include thousands of diplomatic cables reporting corruption allegations against politicians in Russia, Afghanistan and other Central Asian nations, sources familiar with the State Department cables held by WikiLeaks told Reuters on Wednesday.

The allegations are major enough to cause serious embarrassment for foreign governments, the sources said.

According to the London-based daily al-Hayat, the WikiLeaks release includes documents that show Turkey has helped al-Qaeda in Iraq - and that the United States has supported the PKK, a Kurdish rebel organization that has been waging a separatist war against Turkey since 1984, the Washington Post reported.



Wikileaks has been down for several hours now, for both requests and pings, this is what happened when they were uploading the War logs, so it is possible they are uploading a large file. They also tweeted that now is a good time to download ‘insurance’, which seems like they may be implying the merde is about to hit the fan, or possibly that they might be releasing the key. Whatever is going on, they are getting good at tension building.

Here is a link to check when they go online again:
http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wikileaks.org
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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby Ben D » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:45 am

seemslikeadream wrote:
Assange is playing them, no doubt,....

I still have doubts, there has to be some awfully powerful backing behind Assange if he is really the goods, just to allow the wikileaks operation to function with ongoing sufficient freedom and effectiveness to negotiate deals with media giants and get the stuff out there.

Some big chess moves may be going on with these leaks, but for me it is too soon to discern whether the moves involve real losses, or mere pawns being sacrificed to set up a result down the track.
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