‘Marshall attack’: Assange sends Twitter into frenzy of speculation over chessboard
Published time: 13 Jan, 2018 10:25
Julian Assange has once again sent Twitter into a frenzy of speculation with another cryptic tweet – this time posting an image of a famous chess strategy, prompting suggestions the whistleblower is preparing ‘checkmate’.
The chessboard tweeted by Assange, unaccompanied by any text, shows a move from the Capablanca vs Marshall chess game of 1918 – considered one of the greatest defensive games of all time.
The story goes that then-reigning US champion Frank Marshall spent years planning a surprise attack against Cuban rival José Raúl Capablanca, even avoiding playing the move in earlier matches so that he could spring it suddenly on his opponent at the right moment.
Nevertheless, Capablanca (represented on the board by white pieces) skilfully defeated Marshall’s attack and went on to win the game.
Speculation mounted over which color represented Assange and what exactly he was trying to convey with the mysterious tweet.
One Twitter user suggested that Assange’s choice to post this particular position may indicate that he has already left the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. Another interpretation, posted by the same user, mused that the ‘game’ could still be in play, but with Assange in a strong position.
Other avid chess fans pointed out that although checkmate is not inevitable, it could mean the game is coming to a close.
According to Twitter users the play tweeted by Assange suggests that three moves are needed to checkmate, generating other theories that the tweet relates to the impending publication of the US Department of Justice report into the FBI handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation.
Or perhaps it’s just anticipating Trump’s upcoming ‘Fake News’ awards, others quipped. In any case the burning question remains: whose move is it?
Assange also changed the icon beside his Twitter profile name from a blue diamond to an egg timer – an image associated with Wikileaks and used on its website.
The Wikileaks founder, known for his profuse tweeting, has in the past two weeks only sent three tweets – all cryptic and igniting much conjecture online. Last week the Ecuadorian Embassy in London confirmed to RT.com that the WikiLeaks founder was still in the building.
The Ecuadorian Foreign Ministry announced this week that it had granted citizenship to Assange. The UK Foreign Office, however, rejected a request from Quito to grant the whistleblower diplomatic status.
WikiLeaks' Julian Assange Is Accused of Endangering Whistleblowers
Posted by Bill Conroy - January 24, 2018 at 11:03 pm
An attorney representing bank whistleblower Rudolf Elmer claims Assange threw his client ‘under the bus for the benefit of his own ego’
WikiLeaks founder and leader Julian Assange is a polarizing figure. That was the case even before the 2016 US presidential campaign, during which WikiLeaks communicated with members of Donald Trump’s entourage, including his son, Donald Jr., and made public internal emails from the Democratic National Committee (DNC).
In the wake of the US presidential election, Assange has continued to stoke controversy by attempting to cozy up to the right-wing victor of the US presidential election, Donald Trump — even offering to provide the Trump administration with alleged proof that Kremlin assets did not provide the DNC emails to WikiLeaks and also requesting that WikiLeaks be given White House press credentials.
A US intelligence report issued this past January concluded that a Kremlin intelligence agency “relayed material it acquired from the DNC and senior Democratic officials to WikiLeaks.”
“Moscow most likely chose WikiLeaks because of its self-proclaimed reputation for authenticity,” the US intelligence community report states.
Many see Assange’s overtures to the Trump administration as a thinly veiled effort to cut a deal with Trump that ensures he will not be prosecuted by US authorities for his past activities — including WikiLeaks’ alleged role in enabling Kremlin interference in the US elections.
Assange has been holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London for more than half a decade to avoid facing a sexual-assault investigation in Sweden (which was recently dropped); a bail-jumping warrant in England, stemming from his efforts to thwart a Swedish extradition request; and what he claims are possible espionage charges in the US — although there is no public court record of such charges being filed.
During all of this, Assange has had vocal defenders, who see him as a persecuted messenger and champion of whistleblowers. But even on that front, it appears Assange’s “authenticity” is in question because, according to some, he has put his personal interests ahead of those of the whistleblowers seeking WikiLeaks’s help.
In at least one case, Narco News has learned, Assange put a whistleblower in harm’s way as part of a bizarre series of well-documented events that, to date, have not received attention in the US media.
“There are good things, and there are bad things [about my relationship with Assange and WikiLeaks],” said whistleblower Rudolf Elmer, who now lives near Zurich, Switzerland. “It’s that simple. Unfortunately, if WikiLeaks or Assange would have been journalists who protect their sources, then it would have been a different ball game.”
Rudolf Elmer is a former bank executive who oversaw the Cayman Islands subsidiary of private Swiss lender Julius Baer from 1994 until 2002, when he was fired by the bank. Subsequently, Elmer allegedly provided to Swiss authorities offshore-bank records from the Cayman Islands subsidiary that detailed suspicious activities he believed were evidence of money laundering and tax evasion.
When those disclosures failed to prompt the authorities to act, he went to the Swiss media with his story, and still there was no action — other than Elmer’s arrest in 2005 on charges that he violated Swiss bank-secrecy laws and attempted to coerce Julius Baer officials by threatening to release details on the Cayman Islands offshore accounts. Elmer spent 30 days in jail at that time, prior to being released with the charges still pending.
In 2008, hoping to draw international attention to his still-pending legal case and the abuses of the offshore-banking system, Elmer decided to release a small portion of the Julius Baer bank data to the public via WikiLeaks. That resulted in Julius Baer filing a motion in a US court asking a judge to issue an injunction to force WikiLeaks to shut down its US-hosted website.
The judge initially granted the bank’s request, which generated a storm of media coverage and outrage from free-speech and civil-rights groups. In the wake of that blowback, the US judge reconsidered his initial ruling and reversed the injunction against WikiLeaks.
“Of course, as soon as that case was filed [against WikiLeaks], a thousand other websites copied the [Cayman Island bank] documents [and] there was no way the judge could issue an order that would have any effect,” said Jack Blum, a former US Senate investigator, money laundering expert and Elmer’s US attorney. “And WikiLeaks immediately became a page-one story, and WikiLeaks, which no one had ever heard of before that, suddenly became celebrated. So ironically Ruedi [Elmer] was guy who put [WikiLeaks and] Assange on the map.”
The media attention to the Elmer case came more than two years before WikiLeaks parlayed that fame into greater attention by publishing a leaked US military video that it titled “Collateral Murder.” The video, shot from the air, showed an Apache-helicopter attack that killed a dozen people in an Iraqi suburb, including two Reuters employees. The month that video was released, April 2010, WikiLeaks raised some $440,000 in donations, according to a report by the foundation that managed much of WikiLeaks’ finances at the time.
Elmer concedes that his interaction with WikiLeaks in 2008 proved to be a positive one, in that it succeeded in drawing international attention to his case and the alleged corruption enabled by Swiss bank-secrecy laws — which require those working for Swiss-regulated lenders to keep customer information confidential. Elmer contends, however, that the good accomplished by WikiLeaks in his case in 2008 was primarily the result of Julius Baer’s miscalculation in seeking a court order to censor WikiLeaks.
Elmer also insists that Swiss bank-secrecy laws do not apply to him because he was not employed by the parent Swiss-regulated bank, but rather by a Cayman Islands-based bank subsidiary. His case is still pending on appeal before Switzerland’s highest court.
Elmer’s legal odyssey in the Swiss court system over the past dozen years includes spending a total of some seven months in jail, much of that in solitary confinement, and enduring what he claims was harassment and persecution by Swiss authorities directed against his family members. That persecution was made worse, Elmer insists, by Assange’s actions in January 2011, when Elmer once again attempted to provide WikiLeaks with additional Julius Baer bank records. Elmer made that move only a few days in advance of a Swiss court date related to charges stemming from his 2005 arrest.
With the help of his U.S. lawyer, Blum, and a former Scotland Yard detective and bank-compliance officer, Martin Woods, Elmer staged a press conference on Jan. 17, 2011, at the Frontline Club in London. The press conference was an effort to rekindled international attention on Elmer’s case. The goal, in part, was to shine a public spotlight on Swiss authorities to ensure they could not easily commit an injustice against Elmer by doing the bidding of Julius Baer, one of the largest banks in Switzerland. Elmer also hoped to spur further investigation into the bank’s offshore-account activity.
Assange was present at the press conference [video link here] and as part of the agenda was provided two CDs in front of the assembled press and cameras that reportedly contained records from offshore accounts maintained by Julius Baer’s Cayman Island subsidiary.
“I initially organized the event through contacts at the Frontline club and upon request from [Elmer],” Woods said in an interview with Narco News. “As I saw it David [Elmer in this case] wanted to throw a final punch at Goliath (Julius Baer), before all of this came to an end.”
Two days after the press conference, upon returning to Switzerland, Elmer was again arrested for violating Swiss bank-secrecy laws in reaction to the London press conference, and he was thrown in jail.
Elmer said he was kept in solitary confinement in what he described as the “gulag of Switzerland” for some six months following the Frontline Club press conference, from mid-January 2011 to late July of that year, adding that his wife also was accused of being complicit in the alleged crimes, preventing her from visiting him in jail. In addition, he said his house was raided by Swiss police multiple times, even his mother’s home.
The actions of the Swiss authorities at the time, Elmer contends, created great mental anguish for his family, particularly for his young daughter, whom Elmer said even attempted suicide as a consequence of the ordeal visited upon them.
During his entire time in solitary confinement, Elmer claims prosecutors repeatedly invoked Assange’s name and the banking data Elmer allegedly provided to him as a rational for continuing his imprisonment.
Assange, for his part, made multiple statements to the media during Elmer’s imprisonment indicating that WikiLeaks was examining the data provided on the CDs and planned to make it public soon.
As early as Jan. 23, 2011, some four days after Elmer’s arrest, Assange made statements to the Swiss media indicating that there was offshore-bank information on the CDs. A Swiss newspaper quoted him as saying the following:“Elmer’s arrest makes it more urgent to examine his banking data and publish them as soon as possible,” Assange said. “Switzerland is putting itself into the spotlight with its actions,” he said.
In an April 2011 interview with an Indian TV personality on the topic of the Swiss bank records, Assange claimed that there were “Indian names in the data.” And in December of that year, another Indian news outlet reported the following:Mr. Assange … told the Hindustan Times Leadership Summit through video-conferencing that whistleblower Rudolf Elmer, who gave the CDs containing information to him, is undergoing trial and it would not be proper to make disclosures at this juncture.
Asked if names of Indians holding Swiss accounts will be revealed in the coming year, he said, “yes.” Information about such accounts “which will affect India” will be revealed in the coming year, he said.
In reality, however, the CDs provided to Assange at the press conference did not contain any bank data, according to Elmer, Woods and Blum. Elmer said Assange was not aware of this fact the day of the press conference, but clearly would have realized it after examining the CDs.
“I knew they [the CDs] were blank,” Woods said. “We determined to embark on a course of action to create an optical presentation of data being handed over and knowing full well that those discs [the CDs] contained no data, but with the genuine belief that the data would be provided soon to Assange.”
Following is Woods account of what happened after the Frontline Club press conference, with respect to Assange and the CDs:I went to see Julian [Assange] at Vaughn Smith's estate [Vaughn founded the Frontline Club] later that week, and after Ruedi [Elmer] had been arrested. … I recall asking Julian what was on the discs [the CDs]. He replied with some surprise that one of the discs was blank. He added the other was difficult to decipher, but they (WikiLeaks) were getting information from the disc.
I told him there was nothing on the discs, because I had arranged for fake discs to be handed over at the event. Julian responded I had to give him the information because he had been “kidnapped.” I said, “Who,” and he replied, “Ruedi.” I stated that Ruedi had been arrested, and if he [Assange] published any data, it would likely convict him and see him imprisoned for a long time.
Julian replied that publishing was essential as it was what Ruedi wanted. I stated Ruedi and his family did not want to see Ruedi in prison for a long time.
I asked Julian about how he was protecting his whistleblowers, given [what happened to] his two highest-profile whistleblowers, Ruedi and Chelsea Manning [previously Bradley Manning, who was imprisoned after leaking classified State Department cables to WikiLeaks in 2010]. Julian retorted that WikiLeaks had never acknowledged Chelsea was a whistleblower.
I replied everyone knows and added, “Where on your webpages do you advise whistleblowers how to protect themselves?” He replied they (WikiLeaks) were dealing with the Arab Spring, and they did not have time. I replied, “You have had months, years.” I told Julian he would not be receiving any information from Ruedi and left.
Blum is blunt in claiming Assange’s statements to the media during the time Elmer was imprisoned were “lies” that caused great harm to his client at the time.
Blum told Narco News the following in a recent interview:What Ruedi [Elmer] wanted out of that press conference [at the Frontline Club] was for people to pay attention to the insanity and charges that Zurich [Swiss] prosecutors had brought against him, but the whole thing spiraled out of control because prosecutors then went after him for what turned out to be nothing, because there was nothing on the discs [CDs].
So, they raided his house … and hauled off his computer and his wife’s computer, and all kinds of documents, and arrested him and put him in solitary confinement, which apparently in Switzerland they can do while an investigation is pending. And he was locked up for in excess of six months.
And so, here’s my client sitting in what is essentially solitary confinement based on things and information he had allegedly given to Assange, and instead of Assange doing anything to protect him or minimize what the Swiss were going after him for, he threw fuel on the fire. And as far as I’m concerned, that’s despicable.
Elmer said Assange’s statements to the media indicating that there was bank data on the CDs definitely hurt his legal case. He adds that if Assange would have told the truth about the CDs, and the fact that there was no bank data on them, then the prosecution’s case would have fallen apart much earlier, and he likely would have been released from jail.
As it is, years after the fact, because the prosecution has been unable to prove what is on the CDs, and no information from the CDs has ever been published by WikiLeaks, Swiss prosecutors have had to drop claims against Elmer related to the CDs because of a lack of evidence, Elmer said. The charges that he violated Swiss bank-secrecy laws remain in play, however, and are now based in the main on the alleged limited disclosures Elmer made to regulators and later to WikiLeaks in 2008.
“Assange put himself in a position to make my situation even worse [in 2011] because the judges even referred to Assange during … their verdicts to keep me in custody,” Elmer said. “There were five rulings during [my time in prison], and the judges used Assange’s statements [against me].
“… If he [Assange] had stated publicly that the CDs were empty, then the prosecutors wouldn’t have had that much power in my case. [When it comes to] the protection of the source, WikiLeaks doesn’t do that professionally, in my view.”
Elmer, Woods and Blum can’t say for sure why Assange chose to misrepresent what was contained on the CDs, or why he failed to disclose that Elmer had not leaked any bank data to him at the 2011 press conference. At the time, Assange was facing a sexual-assault investigation in Sweden, although he was still free on bail in England — and didn’t seek refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy in London until after a British court in 2012 approved his extradition to Sweden.
It’s possible Assange felt it would hurt his reputation and support for WikiLeaks globally if he were to admit publicly that there was no Swiss bank data to release. Or, maybe he thought maintaining the ruse that the CDs contained damning information about Julius Baer’s offshore-account holders would help keep his name in the public eye and afford him some insulation from a bad outcome in his own legal case.
Narco News made multiple attempts to get a comment from Assange for this story, but he did not reply to those queries.
In any event, Elmer argues Assange did great damage to the cause of whistleblowers, adding that it is clear there is no space between WikiLeaks’s mission and Assange’s personal and political agendas.
“Julian Assange did not receive any data [from me] because I was well aware he would not care if I am in prison or not,” Elmer told Narco News in an interview. “He must have known it [that there was no bank data on the CDs] more or less already on January 17, 2011, when he reviewed the data.
“However, he still told the public that there is data of Indians, etc., on the CDs. In other words, it is a clear indication that he does not really care about whistleblowers.”
Woods adds that the “stock and trade of whistleblowers” is the truth, adding that when Assange failed to tell the truth about the CDs not containing any Julius Baer data, “he actually falsely implicated Ruedi [Elmer].”
“Assange operates in his own tunnel and does not provide appropriate care and consideration for courageous whistleblowers,” Woods said. “He readily sacrifices them and does not care about the collateral damage he causes to the whistleblowers and their families. His ego and his drive take primacy over the welfare and well-being of whistleblowers.
“Assange is all about publishing, and … he never published anything [from Elmer’s CDs]. That’s the proof he had nothing. Therefore, he really frustrates me because he could be, and his organization could be, a force for greater good, if he stuck to the truth.”
Blum is even sharper in his criticism of Assange.
“My feeling is he will work with anyone that enhances his ego. He doesn’t care if its Russian intelligence, British intelligence,” Blum said. “If somebody will give him something that makes him important, he’ll run with it.
“And to make it worse, he’ll invent things, pull them right out of the sphere and start talking to the press about it. … Of course, [Assange] threw [Elmer] under the bus for benefit of his own ego, and I thought that was appalling.”
Elmer’s case is now before the Swiss Federal Supreme Court, where prosecutors are seeking to overturn a lower court ruling that determined Elmer did not violate the nation’s bank-secrecy laws. Prosecutors are seeking a 36-month jail sentence for Elmer — of which 24 months would be suspended. The Swiss high court is expected to make its ruling sometime this year, according to press reports.
From late July until mid-September of 2012, Narco News was provided access to leaked emails from the Texas-based private intelligence firm Stratfor as part of its news-gathering efforts. The emails had been made public by WikiLeaks and collectively dubbed the Global Intelligence Files.
In order to access the emails, Narco News agreed to participate in an investigative partnership organized by WikiLeaks that included media organizations, academics and human rights organizations. The Rolling Stone and the McClatchy news service also were part of that investigative partnership.
Narco News investigative journalist Bill Conroy wrote three stories in August and September of 2012 focused on the drug war in Mexico that utilized information from the leaked Stratfor emails. Narco News and Bill Conroy have not participated in any project involving WikiLeaks since then. — Al Giordano
https://narcosphere.narconews.com/noteb ... tleblowers
BREAKING: This exchange, between a Twitter user posing as Sean Hannity and WikiLeaks, confirms WikiLeaks has been in contact with Hannity—a Trump advisor. This is the second WikiLeaks-Trump contact we know of; the other are pre-election contacts between WikiLeaks and Trump's son.
2/ Hannity now becomes a witness in Special Counsel Mueller's Trump-Russia investigation. As with Jeanine Pirro—another Trump advisor nightly using a Fox News perch to thwart the Mueller investigation—it's not clear how or why Fox News lets Hannity keep discussing the probe, now.
SLIDIN’ INTO DMS
Julian Assange Thought He Was Messaging Sean Hannity When He Offered ‘News’ on Democrat Investigating Trump-Russia
The head of Wikileaks told @SeanHannity__ to seek ‘other channels’ for information on Sen. Mark Warner. Turns out ‘@SeanHannity__’ was a woman in Texas.
01.29.18 8:16 PM ET
At about 4 a.m. on Saturday morning, a couple hours after she started pretending to be Sean Hannity, Dell Gilliam says she got a direct message back from the head of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange. That’s when she said she “kind of panicked.”
“I felt bad. He really thought he was talking to Sean Hannity,” said Gilliam.
Gilliam, a technical writer from Texas, was bored with the flu when she created @SeanHannity__ early Saturday morning. The Fox News host's real account was temporarily deleted after cryptically tweeting the phrase “Form Submission 1649 | #Hannity” on Friday night. Twitter said the account had been “briefly compromised,” according to a statement provided to The Daily Beast, and was back up on Sunday morning.
When Gilliam made the account, she did not expect to be setting up a meeting over “other channels” for Assange to send “some news about Warner,” an apparent reference to Sen. Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Senate intelligence committee investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election.
During the election, WikiLeaks’ dumped Democratic emails stolen by Kremlin hackers, even leading President Donald Trump’s CIA director to brand Assange’s organization a “hostile intelligence service” last year.
Just minutes after @SeanHannity disappeared, several accounts quickly sprung up posing as the real Hannity, shouting from Twitter exile. None were as successful as Gilliam’s @SeanHannity__ account, which has since amassed over 24,000 followers.
Gilliam then used her newfound prominence to direct message Assange as Hannity within hours.
“I can’t believe this is happening. I mean… I can. It’s crazy. Nothing can be put past people,” Gilliam, posing as Hannity, wrote to Assange. “I’m exhausted from the whole night. What about you, though? You doing ok?”
“I’m happy as long as there is a fight!” Assange responded.
Gilliam reassured Assange that she, or Hannity, was also “definitely up for a fight” and set up a call for 9:30 a.m. Eastern, about six hours later.
“You can send me messages on other channels,” said Assange, the second reference to “other channels” he made since their conversation began.
“Have some news about Warner.”
Less than 48 hours later, Warner made headlines claiming that the Senate intelligence committee received “end-of-the-year document dumps” that “opened a lot of new questions” about Trump and Russia.
When reached by The Daily Beast about the messages, Warner’s spokesperson pointed to WikiLeaks’ ties to the release of recent document drops performed by Russian entities, like Kremlin cutout Guccifer 2.0.
“Give me a break. WikiLeaks is a non-state hostile intelligence service with longstanding ties to the Russian government and Russian intelligence.”
While Assange was not the only high-profile person duped by the account, his interactions with it were likely the most significant.
Citing mysterious sources and to-be-revealed bombshells, Hannity has been alleging he will unveil “the biggest scandal in American history” for weeks on his primetime Fox News show that has devolved into mostly a recitation of conspiracy theories about a “secret society” and the “deep state.”
Both Hannity and Assange’s WikiLeaks have pushed similar document drops and hashtag campaigns since before the 2016 election, most recently the push to release a confidential memo about government spying under the hashtag “#releasethememo.” Last year, Hannity even invited Assange to guest host his radio program. Both participated in baseless speculation about the murder of former DNC staffer Seth Rich, which Hannity later dropped after advertisers dropped his program.
Leaked Twitter correspondences between Donald Trump Jr. and the official WikiLeaks account made headlines in November of 2017. Trump Jr. had not disclosed the direct messages until after the November report by The Atlantic.
Hannity, Assange and Fox News public relations did not respond to a request for comment.
“You can send me messages on other channels. Have some news about Warner.”
— Julian Assange
This was not Gilliam’s plan when she created the account on Saturday morning. In fact, she said she didn’t really know much about Sean Hannity when it all started. Gilliam said she watches Fox News, NPR, and CNN in equal parts, had “intentionally ignored [Hannity] because he seems to have no respect from anybody on either side except for Trump.”
She said she simply wanted to play a joke on another Sean Hannity account, @SeanHannity_, with one underscore and not two.
“It kind of started on a whim. I was going to tweet at one of the fake Sean Hannity accounts that was up to tell them not to be me,” she said.
Then, in part because Gilliam seemed to have picked up on Hannity’s conspiratorial and frenzied voice, things picked up fast.
“I don’t even really know how [Hannity] sounds, so I started by copying the tone of the first fake one,” she said.
“To all the lib haters, know that I am back and here to stay. You can’t silence the truth and you have no idea what’s coming,” her first tweet read. “To all my loyal supporters - follow me on my new account to stay updated. Twitter can try to knock us down but we will keep rising up! #SeanHannity”
That tweet, which had 1,800 retweets and 3,500 likes, was retweeted by dozens of verified journalists and Twitter personalities.
Chrissy Teigen took a shot at Gilliam’s version of Hannity in front of her 9.67 million followers.
“Settle down, braveheart,” she wrote. Over 8,000 people retweeted it.
Gilliam’s experience as a bureaucrat, whose interest in fine print is “interesting to me, but nobody else,” helped her monopolize the fake Hannity space.
“I realized that in the Twitter rules it says you can’t make a fake account unless you say you’re not affiliated with that person,” she said.
Under @SeanHannity__’s bio, it reads “(Above not affiliated with) New Account!” She remained live while SeanHannity_ with one underscore and several others were booted off the service.
“People don’t read parentheticals,” she said.
Gilliam said she plans on keeping the account going, or donating her 24,000 followers to an environmental nonprofit she works with. She’s already tweeted out a YouTube video from a band she likes from Nashville to try to get them more followers.
Recovering from the flu, she didn’t sleep all of Saturday, reading through tweets by duped celebrities and mountains of messages.
“I’d say it’s one-third hate mail, one-third hero worship, one-third people saying they figured it out. His followers are disturbingly angry,” she said.
“Reading the messages, I can see how believing in this false reality would be really easy to do. I was starting to get really nervous about what was really happening. It all sucks you into a level of paranoia I’d never seen before.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/julian-as ... ia=desktop
Elvis » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:55 am wrote:The turd is Dell Gilliam. Has she been kicked off Twitter for impersonation someone else? She may be subject to lawsuits and prosecution as well. Scum.
Jerky » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:37 pm wrote:
My New Year's resolution -- one of them at least -- is to not get on any fights here from hereon out.
Yer old pal Jerky
liminalOyster » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:14 pm wrote:Fuck Assange. But I'm still convinced he has some obscure motive. I don't buy any of the simple grounds for total dismissal: 1) was bought by Russia along time ago, 2) deluded by personal vendetta and blind rage at HRC, 3) has actually somehow sincerely morphed ideologically teleporting over to the SS Sean Fucking Hannity. Wonder what he's on.
JackRiddler » 30 Jan 2018 23:02 wrote:liminalOyster » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:14 pm wrote:Fuck Assange. But I'm still convinced he has some obscure motive. I don't buy any of the simple grounds for total dismissal: 1) was bought by Russia along time ago, 2) deluded by personal vendetta and blind rage at HRC, 3) has actually somehow sincerely morphed ideologically teleporting over to the SS Sean Fucking Hannity. Wonder what he's on.
I expect #2, and not that deluded. It's exactly what I'd expect of anyone, except he happens to have a big bullhorn. I think he's weathering better than I would have after six months let alone in the sixth year of that shit. I think a prison with median or better conditions would probably be better for someone's mental health. (Note again "median or better conditions.")
Jerky » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:37 pm wrote:I know quite a few people who've done significant time in prison. None of them turned into twisted, nihilistic traitors with delusions of grandeur.
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