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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:08 pm

stickdog99 » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:58 am wrote:Here's what I get out of reading all of this.

Political activists, like hippies, are intensely social comparative creatures, continually worried about their perceived pecking order. Their focus on personalities allows the political movements they try to foster to be easily disrupted and even causes them to spontaneously fracture.

None of this means that we should not fight all efforts to criminalize the actions of those who tells us about our leaders' criminality.



what did Assange tell us about trump's (our leader) criminal actions?



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Here's Julian Assange casually implying that Seth Rich may have murdered for being the source of the hacked DNC emails even though Rich had been dead for four days by the time the emails were given to WikiLeaks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp7FkLBRpKg

Julian Assange seems to suggest on Dutch television program Nieuwsuur that Seth Rich was the source for the Wikileaks-exposed DNC emails and was murdered.


WikiLeaks withheld a US military document that proves the U.S. never had any intention of "regime change" in Syria, and that, in fact, it wants the Alawite-Baathist regime to stay in power.

US military document reveals how the West opposed a democratic Syria
by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, 24 September 2018

Bashar al-Assad propaganda.
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US military documents from 2011 and 2016 reveal that although officials wanted a Syrian regime change in theory, they thought it was highly unlikely to actually happen — and hoped that if President Bashar al-Assad was overthrown, he would not be replaced by an opposition-led Syrian democracy but, rather, the same Alawite-Baathist ruling structure would continue. The end result was to be the decimation of the democratic opposition, the consolidation of Islamist forces and regime preservation.

‘The US has given up on the overthrow of Assad in Syria’, wrote Robert Fisk this summer. Indeed, as the Russian-backed Syrian army prepared to execute its final offensive on Idlib, western governments appeared to signal their acceptance of a bloody victory for Assad, despite the ritual denunciations.

But at the last minute, Russia and Turkey agreed a truce to ward off a Russian-led attack for at least a month, and establish a buffer zone to protect 3 million civilians. The deal will involve hashing out how to remove extremist rebels from the buffer zone, and Turkey has announced it will send more troops into Idlib.

As the Idlib offensive loomed, the West, curiously, did little of substance in any particular direction. According to two newly uncovered US military documents, western reticence might be because the US was never really committed to overthrowing Assad, due to a self-serving strategy that has been wildly misunderstood.

The documents suggest that both early on and toward the later phase of the conflict, senior US military officials had not given any credence to the democratic aspirations of Syrian protestors, but had merely sought to use them as a tool to sideline expanding Iranian influence. Toppling the regime was dismissed as a highly improbable scenario, with officials indicating they believed the survival of an authoritarian Baathist governing structure — with or without Assad — was inevitable.

Predicting opposition failure

According to a US secret draft military document obtained via the Wikileaks archive, as far back as August 2011 (six months after the Syrian uprising began) US military officials were highly ambivalent about ‘regime change’ in Syria, on the grounds that opposition forces would never win. Supporting the rebels, the officials hoped, might encourage forces within Assad’s regime to remove him while maintaining the Alawite-dominated authoritarian power structure. But military intervention was not on the cards.

The document, reported here for the first time, is the draft of an internal US Marine Corps’ (USMC) Intelligence Department forecasting paper, produced jointly by analysts at the private intelligence firm Stratfor and senior USMC officials (1).

‘The Syrian Alawite-Baathist regime led by President Bashar al Assad will weaken significantly over the next three years, but its break point is unlikely to be imminent’, it states. ‘Fractured opposition forces in Syria are unlikely to overcome the logistical constraints preventing them from cohering into a meaningful threat against the regime within this time frame.’

The document was meant to be an internal USMC intelligence assessment and was never formally released to the public by the agency. It saw regime change as desirable in theory, but unattainable in practice, warning that Syria would experience ‘a violent, protracted civil conflict, one that will enflame sectarian unrest... The potential for the regime to collapse cannot be ruled out, but the road to regime change will be a long and bloody one.’

While the document does not strictly rule out regime change, it marshals abundant evidence to argue that a regime change effort would be futile. In particular, the document concludes that opposition forces would be unable to overthrow Assad: ‘... the opposition in Syria does not yet have the numbers, organization or capabilities overall to overwhelm the regime forces. Syria’s opposition is extremely fractured and is operating under enormous constraints inside the country.’

Hoping the Alawite elite steps in

Instead, the USMC report states: ‘The more probable threat the regime will be facing will come from within’ — in the form of ‘an attempt by high-ranking military and business elite of the regime to mount a coup’ against Assad, prompted by fears of his weakness.

The document puts into context previously reported leaked Stratfor emails dated from December 2011 (four months after the USMC draft document), referring to a write-up of a meeting with US military intelligence officials. The write-up ruled out a major air campaign and noted the role of special operations teams on the ground in Syria ‘training opposition forces’ to ‘try to break the back of the Alawite forces, elicit collapse from within’.

Taken in context with the USMC Intelligence Department’s draft forecasting document from August 2011, it is clear that senior US defence strategists did not envisage a democratic victory for the opposition, but hoped to create sufficient pressure to usher in a collapse of the ‘Alawite forces ... from within’, by triggering an Alawite coup against Assad. In other words, the opposition was seen as a temporary tool, to be discarded once the goal of ensuring a more ‘friendly’ autocratic Baathist structure was in place.

The draft USMC intelligence document notes that despite a growing appetite among US allies for an alternative to Assad, no one wanted to actually get their hands dirty trying to topple him.

Conceding that ‘external support for a Syrian alternative to the al-Assad regime will grow with time,’ the document observes that ‘none of the major stakeholders in the region, including Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United States, appear interested in dealing with the destabilising effects of regime change in Syria in the region.’

Prepared in August 2011 as part of a series of USMC intelligence briefs drafted with Stratfor’s support, the document was buried amidst the massive corpus of Stratfor emails that were originally leaked and published by Wikileaks from 2012 to 2014.

Within the 5 million strong Stratfor corpus is a body of email correspondence in 2011 between Stratfor analysts and senior US Marine Corps officers. The emails show that the USMC Intelligence Department had commissioned Stratfor to work with USMC officials in drafting this intelligence forecasting paper, along with several other briefs. The USMC officials who established the Stratfor partnership included USMC chief of intelligence assessments Lieutenant Colonel Drew Cukor, Major William Osborne of USMC’s Future Assessments Branch, and USMC Director of Intelligence, Brigadier General Vincent Stewart.

Some caveats: the document is only a draft and we cannot tell what the final polished version looks like, although the USMC-Stratfor drafting process can actually be traced through the leaked correspondence — and this document looks to be a near final version. Also, the document is obviously not a direct reflection of US government policy, but rather gives us an insight into the internal assessment of senior US military intelligence officers. In that sense, while the document’s import should not be automatically conflated with White House policy, we ought not to dismiss its significance in granting insight into how US military planners appear to have viewed the conflict from early on.

While the document does not explicitly make direct policy recommendations, it sets out available options, preferences and scenarios. The USMC Intelligence Department, for which the forecasting assessment was drafted, is a highly influential agency which directly feeds into the execution of special operations. According to its mission statement: ‘The Intelligence Department is responsible for policy, plans, programming, budgets, and staff supervision of Intelligence and supporting activities within the Unites States Marine Corps. The Department supports the Commandant of the Marine Corps (CMC) in his role as a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS), represents the service in Joint and Intelligence Community matters, and exercises supervision over the Marine Corps Intelligence Activity (MCIA).’

This makes it all the more significant that the draft USMC intelligence assessment concluded that it was highly improbable that the regime would collapse.

Support for Sunni Islamists to undermine Shia Iran

US military officials’ biggest fear was the prospect of Iran expanding its geopolitical influence. The document advocated that the US work with its regional allies in supporting Islamist groups to counter this: ‘... Turkey, the United States, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and others have a common interest in trying to severely undermine Iran’s foothold in the Levant and dial back Hezbollah’s political and military influence in Lebanon. Turkey, in particular, is the country with the most leverage over Syria in the long term, and has an interest in seeing this territory return to Sunni rule.’

Despite acknowledging that opposition groups would probably fail to overthrow Assad, the document still assesses that they could be mobilised to counter Iranian encroachment. It was accepted that this would empower Islamist forces among the Syrian opposition, rather than democratic and secular forces: ‘Turkey does not have good options nor the capability to effect change in Syria any time soon, but it will gradually attempt to build up linkages with groups inside Syria, focusing in particular on the Islamist remnants of the Muslim Brotherhood in trying to fashion a viable Islamist political force in Syria that would operate under Ankara’s umbrella. This will take time to develop, but the geopolitical dynamic of the region points to a gradually [sic] weakening of the Alawite hold on power in Syria.’

The anti-democratic nature of the strategy was clear. Regardless of the democratic aspirations driving the Syrian uprising, US military officials were content with the idea of encouraging foreign powers to nurture Islamist forces in Syria who would operate under the ‘umbrella’ of those foreign powers: all to try and weaken Iran’s foothold.

The document also indicates that the US did not plan a military intervention for regime change at this time. The overall verdict was ‘better the devil you know’. ‘We do not anticipate the USMC militarily intervening in either Syria or Lebanon with a mission to stabilize the situation’, the document says: ‘The sectarian dynamics are far too complex for the United States to afford becoming embroiled in. Instead, this will be a regional crisis for Turkey to manage. Since Turkey is still early in its regional rise, it will need considerable backing and support from its allies, but even then, is unlikely to be able to effectively deal with such a crisis within the next three years.’

Breaking up Syria

The draft USMC assessment is largely corroborated by a little-known Joint Special Operations University (JSOU) study published five years later, unreported until now, which similarly provides a window into the thinking of US defence planners.

By 2016, the conflict had seemingly reached a grinding stalemate. The previous year, then Pentagon intelligence chief Lieutenant General Vincent Stewart expected Syria to eventually split into ‘two or three parts’. UN special envoy for Syria, Staffan de Mistura, similarly observed that Syria was experiencing a de facto partition that might need to be formally accepted by the international community. Russia and Iran were moving along the same lines. An international consensus had emerged that Assad would remain in power in an Alawite-run mini-state, leaving the rest of Syria in the hands of ISIS, other Islamist rebels, and the Kurds.

The JSOU study, titled The Collapse of Iraq and Syria: The End of the Colonial Construct in the Greater Levant, was authored by Dr Roby Barrett — a senior fellow at the JSOU where he has instructed US military officers in applied intelligence and advises the Pentagon, State Department and intelligence community. The JSOU is US Special Operations Command’s designated agency to educate and advise Special Operations officers, based at MacDill Air Force base in Florida.

Barrett’s basic message confirms: ‘The solution to the chaos cannot be found in regime change in Syria (although that might help)... The old colonial paradigm of artificial states has been replaced by a new structure that reflects a time that predates the Ottoman’s imperial control. Iraq and Syria no longer exist.’

This meant that US Special Forces (SOF) would need to accommodate a ‘new reality’: a shrunken Alawite regime in Syria, surrounded by a patchwork of opposition groups dominated by Islamist forces. While Barrett’s assessment cannot be taken as automatically reflective of US government policy, it appears broadly consistent with actual policy decisions at the time.

The document suggests that two years ago, US defence strategists were privately content to accept a status quo partition of Syria along ethnic and sectarian lines, with a continued role for both Assad and various Islamist forces: ‘There is already a de facto partition of the Greater Levant into a minority enclave still controlled by the Assad regime in Syria, the increasingly independent Kurdish regions, the emergence of a Sunnistan now dominated by ISIS [Islamic State or IS], and a Shi’a rump state from Baghdad to Basra.’

All this confirms that western goals in Syria were never about supporting the democratic uprising. The key reason the West avoided an all-out regime change strategy was fear of being unable to determine its consequences: ‘In short, the West and its allies wanted the Assads gone, but not the remaining government structure including the Alawite-dominated Syrian army and the security services.’

And Russia’s involvement has ‘at the absolute least assured the survival of an Alawite-rump state in the north and potentially from Damascus to Latakia’ — an observation that clearly underestimated the extent of Assad’s eventual victory.

Ruling out democracy

Barrett explains that the West’s strategy is to continue supporting undemocratic Islamist forces among the Syrian opposition, dismissing any chance of an opposition-based democracy: ‘A secular state run by a group devoted to democracy and western civil society is not going to emerge in Sunnistan. Policy needs to start discarding labels and decide which Islamist Salafi group or groups that it is going to back... to preserve US and Western interests it is going to be a search for the lesser evils.’

His comments reveal how distant US policy planners were from the aspirations of the original grassroots Syrian revolutionaries — exemplified in the Local Coordination Committees (LLCs). The LLCs are a trans-sectarian Syrian youth network which campaigned vigorously for highly participatory forms of direct democracy. But as noted by the Netherlands-based development group, Hivos, the LLCs had been ‘considerably weakened due to repression from both the regime and jihadi groups.’

Rather than support the LLCs, US policy appears to have wavered between weakening and tolerating Assad while largely supporting Islamist groups among the opposition — a strategy whose outcome was to escalate sectarian violence while extinguishing the democratic potential of the 2011 uprising.

To discuss the documents, I met with Professor Nader Hashemi, Director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Denver’s Josef Korbel School of International Studies; and Danny Postel, Assistant Director of Northwestern University’s Middle East and North African Studies Program.

‘With hundreds of agencies in the US government, we should of course be careful about interpreting any internal documents and how they reflect actual US government policy,’ Hashemi told me. ‘But these documents are completely consistent with the real track record of US policy not only in Syria but in the wider region, which has always held a deep and abiding anxiety about any form of democratisation, seeking instead to work with autocratic and authoritarian partners.’

According to Postel, this ambivalence meant that US strategy in Syria was never engaged in a serious effort to remove Assad: ‘If you look closely at what actual US policy in Syria consists of, you can clearly see that the US government has not only consistently avoided regime change, but has in effect pursued a policy of regime preservation.’

The documents confirm that the weakening of the LLCs was a direct consequence of a self-serving US strategy. The idea was to manipulate the opposition to achieve a new authoritarian status quo that would suit western interests, whether dominated by Baathists or Islamists.

Anand Gopal, who has reported from inside Syria, has previously argued that while the US hoped Assad would exit the scene, his continued rule was considered preferable to a democratic revolution. ‘Since the beginning, the US has sought to control the Syrian revolution and civil war to ensure that there would be no outcome directly opposed to American interests’, he said. ‘A successful revolution in Syria — especially one outside of American control — would have profound effects across the region, including in American client states. So although the US doesn’t like Assad and would like to see him step down, it prefers the continuation of Assad’s regime to any potential revolutionary alternative from below. It would like, in other words, a Yemen-type solution to the Syrian crisis.’

So the West’s current policy in Syria is no surprise. Trump’s decision to keep US troops in Syria until Iranian forces depart is consistent with the motivations that drove military officials under the previous Obama administration in Syria. That narrow-thinking led officials to greenlight Turkey’s support to Sunni Islamist groups back in 2011, regardless of the impact on the democratic core of Syria’s opposition; and the same narrow-thinking explains the decision to accommodate a fragmented, Assad-dominated Syria today, while still exerting pressure to sideline Iran’s influence.

No wonder, then, that as the Syrian army amassed its forces in preparation for the Idlib offensive, the West pretty much abandoned the opposition — Islamists, jihadists, beleaguered democrats and Syrian civilians — leaving Turkey to decide how it would clean up the mess.
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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby RocketMan » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:10 pm

Why do you insist on smearing a person who is a political prisoner, implying he deserves punishment for something?

Do you think he should be in jail? For what crime should he be in "the UK's Guantanamo", in addition to the seven years of arbitrary detention (as per the UNITED NATIONS) he has already gone through?
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SLAD's Thread of U.S. Govt Propaganda & Lies About Wikileaks

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:27 pm

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Here is a complete falsehood, the exact opposite of the truth. Is it intentional? Is it a lie, an odious defamation? Or is it just the blindness of sophistry?

seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:08 am wrote:WikiLeaks withheld a US military document that proves the U.S. never had any intention of "regime change" in Syria, and that, in fact, it wants the Alawite-Baathist regime to stay in power.

US military document reveals how the West opposed a democratic Syria
by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, 24 September 2018


As Nafeez makes clear, Wikleaks published this document. it was part of the Stratfor archive of hundreds of thousands of documents. Because Wikileaks published it, Nafeez was able to find it in the archive, as researchers do. This was possible only because Brown supplied the source material and Wikileaks acted as the archivist. Nafeez's article makes use of this resource, and in no way implies the complete falsehood you have written above, that Wikileaks "withheld" a document it was in fact hosting on its site! Please correct this grave error, if that is what it is, or we will have to assume you are an enemy of the truth if it is not convenient to your worldview.

This, meanwhile, is merely defamatory sophistry:

what did Assange tell us about trump's (our leader) criminal actions?


Assange can only publish what is available or offered to him. Can you show that Wikileaks received confirmably true material about Trump that it did not publish?

Does any of this justify the imprisonment of Assange on charges relating to the Manning materials of 2010? Are you aware that these smears and defamations are being deployed at a time when the US-DoJ has filed the most outrageous and dangerous attack on the freedom of the press in decades? Do you support that attack by the DoJ? Are you aware that this is the DoJ of Donald J. Trump? Are you aware that these untrue smears and defamations that you are repeating uncritically are being used in a top-down propaganda campaign of the government and corporate media to distract, to distort, to pretend that Assange is detained and subject to extradition for any other reason than the US DoJ case, which is untrue? Do you want to participate in this US-government-led propaganda campaign?

I remember a SLAD who was complaining that Zuckerberg had been named TIME person of the year (who cares, but anyway) in lieu of Julian Assange.

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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:35 pm

on edit so when Elvis is reading this thread he can see that Jack has just done the same thing that he has been ranting all morning about something I did

here he is misrepresenting what the Redacted Mueller report says but apparently it is alright for him to misrepresent something Mueller has said but I am to have this thread locked for the very same thing he has done just a short time ago


JackRiddler » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:49 pm wrote:.

That may well be true. If so, why has Mueller avoided all that and produced an exoneration?

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and here he is misrepresenting what he asked me to do

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JackRiddler » Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:14 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:
The boring truth about those Julian Assange smears


MICHAEL C. MOYNIHAN

According to prosecutors in Sweden, authorities in Stockholm will pursue a vague "molestation" charge against Wikileaks founder Julian Assange.

There is precious little evidence available in the public domain, though the few details circulating make me extremely sceptical of both the rape (which seems 100 per cent false) and molestation charges against Assange. More on that in a minute. But for the wild-eyed, spittle-flecked conspiracists bloggers - and Assange himself - the charges reeked of a U.S. government plot.


Automatic forfeit for leading with cliche ridicule. I see no reason to proceed.

SLAD, great work on the Wikileaks stuff - can you be persuaded to put it all in one thread for easy reference? (I know that's not your usual thing, please don't be annoyed.)


and he has said this thread is full of lies and that is not true
Jack has misrepresented 3 times in this thread complaining about me misrepresenting something

Seth Rich

donald trump

selective leaks


Emma Best
Emma Best (U//FOUO)
#Assange's account blocked me then made this false statement while dead naming me, because neither he, his representatives or anyone at #WikiLeaks is transphobic at all.
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Xeni

Ask me about the time Julian Assange called me “worse than a Jew.” The man was curiously aligned with Nazis throughout his “career” for a reason.
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I wonder, what’s worse than a Jew? Maybe he meant I’m a woman. He reserves the worst for women. Ask Hillary. Or other women whose names have appeared next to his. If they’re finally ready to tell the truth and stop living in fear, as I did.

The man is nothing but consistent. If he let this slip within range of me, a person he thinks is “worse than a Jew,” his words, there’s probably a copy of Mein Kampf stuffed up his butt on a thumbdrive. Start looking.
https://twitter.com/xeni/status/1116577251795980288


Barrett Brown

Julian Assange Went After a Former Ally.
WikiLeaks’ founder tried to retaliate against hacktivist hero Barrett Brown and prompted a crack-up at a whistleblower protection group, losing an asset in an extradition clash.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/julian-as ... d-epically
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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby RocketMan » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:37 pm

Ok, so you'll just be happy to have him rot in some legal black hole, then. Righty-o.
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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:37 pm

no

I do not think he should be in jail and I do not think he should be extradited
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SLAD's Thread of U.S. Govt Propaganda & Lies About Wikileaks

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:47 pm

Bullshit. You may not "want" that but you are participating in the propaganda campaign that supports extradition.

You have not answered why you told this hair-raising lie. I want to know why.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29320&start=735&p=673018&view=show#p673015

Or, if it's not a lie, why aren't you correcting it right now?

Either way, you said the exact opposite of the truth. You literally blamed Wikileaks for not doing the thing that they did, the thing that only they did. This is proof of your unreliability on this question, generally. For whatever reason, you are a compromised actor.

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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:49 pm

have a happy life Jack

you are a compromised actor


....what is that stupid personal attack supposed to shut me up

..get a grip, take a nap, slow your roll, whatever
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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby RocketMan » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:02 pm

Never explain, never apologize eh? Just doubling and tripling down all the way.

I think the pile-up on an ill man languishing in a supermax prison on dubious legal grounds is just unseemly and cruel. A man who laid bare like no one else the true criminality of the US nat sec state.
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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:04 pm

you are a very lovely person RocketMan, thanks for posting in my thread I really appreciate it
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Re: SLAD's Thread of U.S. Gov Propaganda & Lies About Wikile

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:06 pm

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You lied above, when you wrote "Wikileaks withheld..." The truth of the matter was, "Wikileaks provided..." This was obvious in the article you posted, by Nafeez. So it was a very clumsy lie. A shameful lie. This is not personal. I don't know you. I know only that you are lying, and that your lies are serving a campaign of defamation against a political prisoner who is being held in a broad attack on the fundamental right of freedom of the press. (I know also that this thread title is absolutely shameful and still being kicked 10 years later, demonstrating your political stance, which is to defame Assange and thus serve the U.S. war machine.)

You will not trivialize this with cute personal talk. I am not angry or emotional. I say this soberly: You, whatever entity posts here as SLAD, is telling a lie. As long as you refuse to acknowledge that you posted a falsehood above ("Wikileaks withheld..."), I shall assume it was a lie. Acknowledge the falsehood, correct yourself, apologize, and then maybe this can be forgiven as simply an incredibly stupid error. Shame on you, entity posting here as SLAD, whom I do not know, against whom I cannot bear a personal grudge. Don't sleep. Don't have a happy life. Unless you start by acknowledging the lie you told above. Liar.

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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:07 pm

has Assange apologized to Seth Rich's family?

breathe Jack, you might pass out
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A Thread Full of Lies by SLAD

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:12 pm

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Do you want, simply, to correct your lie? Say you made a mistake. Your cheap, obvious distraction and personalization do not change the fact that you advanced a lie above. Liar. Speak to the issue. You posted it. You lied.

100% LIE POSTED BY SLAD FOR PURPOSES OF WIKILEAKS DEFAMATION:

seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:08 am wrote:WikiLeaks withheld a US military document that proves the U.S. never had any intention of "regime change" in Syria, and that, in fact, it wants the Alawite-Baathist regime to stay in power.


Fact: Wikileaks provided the document. No one else did that.

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Re: Assange Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde Land

Postby liminalOyster » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:15 pm

RocketMan » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:04 pm wrote:It really is quite amazing how successful the effort has been to keep this singular, undeniable fact from the conversation:

Assange sought asylum from Ecuador precisely for fear of extradition to the US, not Swedish or UK legal proceedings. The US immediately requested extradition after Assange was (in contravention to international law) hauled out of the embassy. In 2012 it was considered positively kooky to suggest that the US would move to extradite Assange and his fear was considered an excuse to escape rape charges.

"Sealed indictment" equalled "conspiracy theory".

Fucking unbelievable.



Except ... fucking entirely believable.
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Re: A Thread Full of Lies by SLAD

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:18 pm

A THREAD FULL OF LIES

Jack says....now Jack has lied because this thread is not a thread full of lies

but Jack can lie about me..that's just fine

Do you want, simply, to correct your lie?


JackRiddler » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:12 pm wrote:.

Do you want, simply, to correct your lie? Say you made a mistake. Your cheap, obvious distraction and personalization do not change the fact that you advanced a lie above. Liar. Speak to the issue. You posted it. You lied.

100% LIE POSTED BY SLAD FOR PURPOSES OF WIKILEAKS DEFAMATION:

seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:08 am wrote:WikiLeaks withheld a US military document that proves the U.S. never had any intention of "regime change" in Syria, and that, in fact, it wants the Alawite-Baathist regime to stay in power.


Fact: Wikileaks provided the document. No one else did that.

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