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German military: Peak oil may collapse democracy

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:19 pm
by Jeff
German military report: Peak oil could lead to collapse of democracy

By Daniel Tencer
Wednesday, September 1st, 2010 -- 7:48 pm

Peak oil has happened or will happen some time around this year, and its consequences could threaten the continued survival of democratic governments, says a secret Germany military report that was leaked online.

According to Der Spiegel, the report from a think-tank inside the German military warns that shrinking global oil supplies will threaten the world's economic foundations and possibly lead to mass-scale upheaval within the next 15 to 30 years.

International trade would suffer as the cost of transporting goods across oceans would soar, resulting in "shortages in the supply of vital goods," the report states, as translated by Der Spiegel.

The result would be the collapse of the industrial supply chain. "In the medium term the global economic system and every market-oriented national economy would collapse," the report states.

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...With peak oil causing "partial or complete failure of markets ... [a] conceivable alternative would be government rationing and the allocation of important goods or the setting of production schedules and other short-term coercive measures to replace market-based mechanisms in times of crisis."

But the report also warns that the economic crisis caused by shrinking oil supplies and skyrocketing prices could be seen by the general public as a failure of market economics as a whole -- and with it, the political institutions that created those economic systems.

Public anger at the existing system would create "room for ideological and extremist alternatives to existing forms of government." Populations would fragment along political lines and "in extreme cases" this could "lead to open conflict."

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Last Sunday, the UK Observer reported that Britain's Department of Energy and Climate Change is refusing to release documents related to peak oil, even though, as the Observer noted, previously released documents argue the veil of secrecy around the issue is probably "not good."

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And earlier this year, a report from the US Joint Forces Command stated that "by 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 million barrels per day."


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/0901/ge ... -democracy

Re: German military: Peak oil may collapse democracy

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:31 pm
by Jeff
And that Observer report:


Peak oil alarm revealed by secret official talks
Behind government dismissals of 'alarmist' fears there is growing concern over critical future energy supplies

Terry Macalister and Lionel Badal
The Observer, Sunday 22 August 2010

Speculation that government ministers are far more concerned about a future supply crunch than they have admitted has been fuelled by the revelation that they are canvassing views from industry and the scientific community about "peak oil".

The Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC) is also refusing to hand over policy documents about "peak oil" – the point at which oil production reaches its maximum and then declines – under the Freedom of Information (FoI) Act, despite releasing others in which it admits "secrecy around the topic is probably not good".

Experts say they have received a letter from David Mackay, chief scientific adviser to the DECC, asking for information and advice on peak oil amid a growing campaign from industrialists such as Sir Richard Branson for the government to put contingency plans in place to deal with any future crisis.

A spokeswoman for the department insisted the request from Mackay was "routine" and said there was no change of policy other than to keep the issue under review. The peak oil argument was effectively dismissed as alarmist by former energy minister Malcolm Wicks in a report to government last summer, while oil companies such as BP, which have major influence in Whitehall, take a similar line.

But documents obtained under the FoI Act seen by the Observer show that a "peak oil workshop" brought together staff from the DECC, the Bank of England and Ministry of Defence among others to discuss the issue.

A ministry note of that summit warned that "[Government] public lines on peak oil are 'not quite right'. They need to take account of climate change and put more emphasis on reducing demand and also the fact that peak oil may increase volatility in the market."

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010 ... ate-change

Re: German military: Peak oil may collapse democracy

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:34 pm
by justdrew
or it may have collapsed democracy several, well, four or five decades ago...

Re: German military: Peak oil may collapse democracy

PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:44 pm
by Jeff
justdrew wrote:or it may have collapsed democracy several, well, four or five decades ago...


It's that The Emperor's naked and - holy shit - we have an Emperor? moment they're trying to put off as long as possible.

Re: German military: Peak oil may collapse democracy

PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:33 am
by ninakat
According to Der Spiegel, the report from a think-tank inside the German military warns that shrinking global oil supplies will threaten the world's economic foundations and possibly lead to mass-scale upheaval within the next 15 to 30 years.


Good luck with that time frame. They did say "within" so I suppose that could be next year, right? :lol:

Re: German military: Peak oil may collapse democracy

PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:20 am
by wintler2
Jeff wrote:
justdrew wrote:or it may have collapsed democracy several, well, four or five decades ago...


It's that The Emperor's naked and - holy shit - we have an Emperor? moment they're trying to put off as long as possible.


And they're very good at that game. That oil would peak was in highschool text books 30 years ago, GHGs = climate change 45 years ago. Now they're 'yet to be proven'.

According to Der Spiegel, the report from a think-tank inside the German military warns that shrinking global oil supplies will threaten the world's economic foundations and possibly lead to mass-scale upheaval within the next 15 to 30 years.


Good luck with that time frame. They did say "within" so I suppose that could be next year, right? :lol:


2025-2040 is a pleasantly distant time, and acting on the problem is framed as a government/military matter - 'somebody [distant] should do something'. So it goes.

Re: German military: Peak oil may collapse democracy

PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:28 am
by brainpanhandler
Public anger at the existing system would create "room for ideological and extremist alternatives to existing forms of government."


Public anger at the existing system would create "room for ideological and extremist alternatives to existing ideological and extremist forms of government"

Fixed

Re: German military: Peak oil may collapse democracy

PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:02 am
by Simulist
ninakat wrote:
According to Der Spiegel, the report from a think-tank inside the German military warns that shrinking global oil supplies will threaten the world's economic foundations and possibly lead to mass-scale upheaval within the next 15 to 30 years.


Good luck with that time frame. They did say "within" so I suppose that could be next year, right? :lol:

I was thinking the exact same thing.