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This is the theory I go with. In David Christian's Maps of time he has a bit about the moon and the theory that rang truest to me is that this isn't our first moon, and that the mass extinction events in the Permian and Jurassic were caused by other moons falling into the Earth. Because of how short our lives are we think of the solar system as stable, but it's more of a dust cloud with particles spinning around very fast, and interfering with each other as they collide with or get close to each other. Maybe our Moon will drift away, maybe it'll fall into the Earth, but for the rest of human history it'll act as a fixed planet with predictable orbit. Also - if a planet capturing a moon is such a crazy unlikely thing, how come all but two planets have at least one moon?It is now generally accepted that the Moon originated elsewhere and entered the Earth’s gravitational field at some point in the distant past. [One theory] states the Moon, while wandering through our solar system, was captured and pulled into orbit by Earth’s gravity.
Yeah this is akin to the creationist's argument that life is extremely unlikely so must have been caused by an intelligent designer... As others have pointed out, the Moon is essential to life as we know it, so this discussion would never have taken place absent the "right combination of factors", including the force of gravity and possibly, on a cultural level, including eclipses that show the corona. I mean if there had not been eclipses, maybe we wouldn't have ended up being the kind of mammal that worries about the inside of another heavenly body.William Roy Shelton wrote:it is extremely unlikely that any object would just stumble into the right combination of factors required to stay in orbit.
Joe Hillshoist wrote:brainpanhandler wrote:The earth is round? You've got to be kidding. Look. Can't you see? It's flat.
I can't go any further without addressing this. Where the fuck on earth, with the possible exception of lake eyre, is it flat? Especially back then?
On man made surfaces which were made why?
To be flat cos nowhere else was!!!!
WTF???
Flat earth my arse. There is absolutely no visual evidence for the earth being flat anywhere. Who the fuck came up with this idea?
Sorry
wikipedia wrote:Around 330 BC, Aristotle provided observational evidence for the spherical Earth, noting that travelers going south see southern constellations rise higher above the horizon. He argued that this was only possible if their horizon was at an angle to northerners' horizon and that the Earth's surface therefore could not be flat. He also noted that the border of the shadow of Earth on the Moon during the partial phase of a lunar eclipse is always circular, no matter how high the Moon is over the horizon. Only a sphere casts a circular shadow in every direction, whereas a circular disk casts an elliptical shadow in all directions apart from directly above and directly below.
MaxtheKnife wrote:Everything I've discovered vis a vis careful measurement is 100% verifiable.
Max also wrote:At any rate... I'm glad to see some of you seem to at least be thinking about the things I've been teaching you.
After we die, according to Gurdjieff, the moon consumes the fine matter of human souls. It is like a magnet that draws our souls into it:
"Everything living on the earth, people, animals, plants, is food for the moon. The moon is a huge living being feeding upon all that lives and grows on the earth."
Someday, the earth would evolve into a being like the sun, while the moon would transform into a second earth. Humanity was simply a stage in this process.
Only through an intensive effort of conscious evolution – what he called "self-remembering" – was it possible for an individual to escape being eaten by the moon. "The liberation that comes with the growth of mental powers and faculties is liberation from the moon."
Yes, early Thursday morning, Sep 23, 2010, I walked out to see how gorgeous the moon and Jupiter were!justdrew wrote:tonight or last night was the Harvest Moon I think
http://www.uwec.edu/philrel/shimbutsudo/tsukiyomi.html
Late Lament
Breathe deep the gathering gloom,
Watch lights fade from every room.
Bedsitter people look back and lament,
Another day's useless energy spent.
Impassioned lovers wrestle as one,
Lonely man cries for love and has none.
New mother picks up and suckles her son,
Senior citizens wish they were young.
Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colours from our sight.
Red is grey and yellow white,
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?
Allegro wrote:Yes, early Thursday morning, Sep 23, 2010, I walked out to see how gorgeous the moon and Jupiter were!justdrew wrote:tonight or last night was the Harvest Moon I think
http://www.uwec.edu/philrel/shimbutsudo/tsukiyomi.html
NASA excerpt: Northern summer changes to fall on Sept. 22nd at 11:09 pm EDT. At that precise moment, called the autumnal equinox, the Harvest Moon can be found soaring high overhead with the planet Jupiter right beside it.
From Space dot com: "The sight of this Super Harvest Moon beaming through the trees, inflated to gargantuan proportions by the Moon illusion, made me feel like howling," says photographer Vasilis Wooseas of Greece. More Super Harvest Moon | Seattle Times.
Super Harvest Moon | an OK video published 14 hrs agoVince Farrell
alwyn wrote:Full moons bring out the lunatics everywhere, hospitals and police departments have long noted the effects of the full moon.
alwyn wrote:Good to see the post re: Gurdjieff in this discussion. Technically the oral tradition of the G's has it that there was a cosmic 'accident' and that humanities 'organs of perception' were altered by 'higher beings' in order to deal with the trauma of the accident. The 'kundabuffer' was 'installed' in man as a form of kindness to his psyche, but it got out of hand, and mankind's perceptions were permanently altered. The moon was instrumental in maintaining the 'kundabuffer', which is another term for veil, or conditioned reality. At a certain point, this veil was to be lifted, but humans became so enamored of it, they refuse to part with their conditioning, often maintaining their attachment to it at the cost of the 'messenger technician's' life....(How long shall they kill our prophets, says Marley.) Interesting metaphor, at any rate.
It is also interesting, in light of this metaphor, to note that the moon's orbital cycle controls just about everything on the planet, growth of plants, tides, the human emotional cycle and fertility cycle. Full moons bring out the lunatics everywhere, hospitals and police departments have long noted the effects of the full moon. Farmers plant by it. Astrologers can determine much of man's conditioning, based upon the position of the moon/earth combination in relation to the rest of the cosmos.
If it was intelligent design, it was very intelligent. Or diabolical.
The sufis have a story called 'the islanders'. They maintain that we were on a journey somewhere, and that cosmic conditions got too bad to continue, so we were parked here for a time. The time has passed to move on, but we have grown fond of our 'home' so to speak, and now fail to recognize any other. The 'BEezlebubs Tales' contain much coded reference to Sufi literature, and the incomplete tale that Mr. G. told has it's basis in far older literature. Fascinating study...food for the moon indeed.
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