FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby Cordelia » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:33 am

Finally watched VICE but its style didn’t work for me (the trailer was deceptive!). My two cents I ...felt like I was watching a sequel to 'Fahrenheit 9/11' w/a cast of well-known actors playing the bad guys along with 'Kurt-the-narrator' in the part of Michael Moore.

Especially couldn’t get w/Steve Carell as Rumsfeld (he strikes me as too ‘nice’ to be such a self-assured, ruthless liar).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnSBo7rIQLI

I don't know what actor could play him now but can imagine Anthony Hopkins or Gene Hackman from 20-30 years ago.

After a while the graphics, cartoons, metaphorical inserts, fly-fishing, etc. .. were too obvious & gimmicky (the Cheneys reciting Shakespearean verse as pillow talk?); more an animated collage w/all the bits & pieces thrown in, resulting in an incoherent jumble rather than a well designed and crafted composition ‘meriting’ best picture awards.

Amy Adams should have gotten a best actress Oscar for her performance imo, and at first I didn’t even realize it was Sam Rockwell playing 'W' – he was great as usual.

But watching Alfred Molina :hug1: as the restaurant maître d' reciting the menu options made the film worth the watch.
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby chump » Sun May 19, 2019 9:07 am



The Green Book was great! I was ready to turn it off at first, but decided to give it twenty minutes, and was glad I did because Viggo Mortenson was funny as shit, and the entire cast was actually classic in a road trip tale that took me back to the simpler daze of singing sixties.

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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby kelley » Sun May 19, 2019 3:06 pm

'The Favourite'

Yorgos just killed it with this bleak farce of fractious wit and dark cynicism

'The Lobster' was a very good film but this one is above and beyond

Everything filmmaking should be and rarely is these days

A brilliant production from top to bottom-- casting, writing, sets, cinematography, score, everything

All three lead actresses are brilliant but Emma Stone knocks it out of the park

What a performance-- subtle physical comedy and much much more

All in all lots of rewards for what seems something of a trifle

IMO a near-genius allegory

(and of the painterly EFX the fisheye lens I loved most of all)
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby JackRiddler » Sun May 19, 2019 4:26 pm

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kelley:

You don't mention Dogtooth, of course, which is without compare.
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The assertive if tongue-in-cheek title of that thread (I wanted a "game" in which people saw it before saying anything) caused some angry responses, but discussion was interesting.

Lobster didn't do it for me like that.

I really liked The Favourite, too! Everything you say. One of the best movies about "royals" ever (not that another comes to mind). Except I liked Rachel Weisz best, what do you know? I laughed unconrollably during the early "you look like a beaver" scene, wherein I realized what the point of the film really was. I also felt that as didactic fiction it was only two omitted scenes short of perfection. Though short, the first of my ideas especially might have bust the clearly restricted budget, or been too much on the nose:

- Jump cut to the court in Vienna or Paris. No explanation. Two, three, as many as five minute scene. Don't even know what should be in it. The scenario can differ radically from the one in Britain, long as it is equally ridiculous and the royals and courtiers depicted are also brutal and obsequious and scheming as they slap each other around while incidentally talking about decisions in the same bloody war. This scene should not relate directly in any way to the stuff depicted in Britain. Nothing of whatever it is is mentioned or indicated once the scene is done and we resume with Anne's court. (Any suggestions?)

- Jump cut to Marlborough's tent. He is feeling frustration and futility as he navigates matters of logistics and supply, reluctantly orders expropriations and flies into a rage about changes in the market price for carrots and beets since last week.

I found The Favourite positively Kubrickian as a work of what I'd call higher realism (despite the anachronistic elements), a sociology. You say allegory. How so? Dogtooth certainly was, although at the same time it could easily have been treated as the literal story of one family in realistic mode (just bumped the old thread to highlight a post by Willow that made this point). Can you expand on what you see as allegorical in The Favourite?

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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby kelley » Mon May 20, 2019 6:23 pm

Hi Jack.

The idea of allegory didn't hit me until the very end. It was the dissolve with the multiplying rabbits that did it.

Kubrick had also crossed my mind, but I dismissed the thought as one of superficial resemblance based on style. This was a mistake. The film is indeed made as a type of realism, and that was where allegory became compelling.

The final sequence brought to mind the story of Jacques Lacan out in the channel with a crew of Breton fisherman. As one of them pulled up his nets he noticed a tin can stuck in it along with the catch, and exclaimed to Lacan, 'See that can? See it? Well, it doesn't see you!' Lacan was devastated by this encounter.

I think we agree 'The Favorite' is more than a comedy of manners. It's so dark. While it's probably easily read as a commentary on neoliberal social climbing, the film becomes much more disturbing when considered as a meditation on the utter indifference of nature, and how through convention, which is linguistic, humankind makes its own copies of nature and excels at this unparalleled mimetic act, with all this implies. I've never seen this addressed so astutely in a film.

It's absolutely chilling. Yorgos is far more subtle than Herzog or Von Triers with similar observations, and yes-- as terrifying as Kubrick in his completely realist approach. What an excellent work.

So short answer, yes to realism, and yes to allegory. Reconciling the two, or perhaps not, makes things even more interesting, and is a terrific feat. Good stuff.
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby kelley » Mon May 20, 2019 6:39 pm

ps-- imo Donald Barthleme did something similar in his 'Snow White' book.
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby chump » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:23 pm

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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:18 am

That is great kelley and a lot to think about. I'm glad you saw Dogtooth finally!
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Re: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: films of a certain quality

Postby Elvis » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:10 pm

I usually devour anything about Nixon but I still haven't seen Oliver Stone's movie; I just can't accept Anthony Hopkins as Nixon. I guess I could get used to it.

The best Nixon portrayal in my opinion was by Rip Torn, in the 1979 CBS miniseries "Blind Ambition." All three networks around that time each produced a miniseries about Watergate.

There are better scenes with Torn—who really nails some of the idiosyncracies—but this is the only stand-alone I found on YouTube:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j41OEvJ-5E

Apparently, the entire series is on YouTube, if anyone's interested.


That "Green Book" movie looks like something I'd enjoy.


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