Airport Security? More Like TSA GONE WILD

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Postby SonicG » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:01 pm

Say what?

11 people pass through unmanned airport security checkpoint

NEW YORK (AP) — Authorities are trying to find eight of 11 people who passed through an unattended security checkpoint at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport.

Port Authority of New York and New Jersey spokesman Joe Pentangelo says it happened Monday morning at Terminal 5. He says authorities identified three of the travelers, who got onto a flight to California and will be screened upon arrival there. The eight others are believed to have boarded various flights.

The Transportation Security Administration confirms three passengers weren't properly screened after they walked through a metal detector, setting off alarms. It says all personal carry-on bags received the required screening.

The TSA says it's confident the incident "presents minimal risk to the aviation transportation system" but it's being reviewed.

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Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:19 pm

Yeah, look for those 3 travelers, but don't you think it would be kinda more important to locate the DHS Airport Security personnel that were supposed to be guarding the entry where the breech occurred? Like 7 or so of DHS staff are missing.

Oh, I forgot to mention: Homeland Security employees have been locked out of computer networks.
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Postby Cordelia » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:04 pm

The new “Fly the Friendly Skies of United".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMTpvzJp4ps

A man wouldn’t leave an overbooked United flight. So he was dragged off, battered and limp.

By Avi Selk April 10 at 4:00 PM

United Airlines says a man wouldn’t give up his spot on an overbooked flight Sunday.

So, according to witnesses and videos of the incident, he was pulled screaming from his seat by security, knocked against an arm rest and dragged down the aisle and back to the terminal at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport.

United refused to answer questions about the incident, which horrified other passengers on the Louisville-bound flight. An airline spokesman only apologized for the overbooked flight, and said police were called after a passenger “refused to leave the aircraft voluntarily.”

What happened was captured on cellphone video by at least two passengers.

Tyler Bridges recalled trouble starting almost as soon as he and his wife boarded.

An airline supervisor walked onto the plane and brusquely announced: “We have United employees that need to fly to Louisville tonight. … This flight’s not leaving until four people get off.”

“That rubbed some people the wrong way,” Bridges said.

Passengers were offered vouchers to rebook, he said, but no one volunteered.

So the airline chose for them.

A young couple was told to leave first, Bridges recalled. “They begrudgingly got up and left,” he said.

Then an older man, who refused.

“He says, ‘Nope. I’m not getting off the flight. I’m a doctor and have to see patients tomorrow morning,’” Bridges said.

The man became angry as the manager persisted, Bridges said, eventually yelling. “He said, more or less, ‘I’m being selected because I’m Chinese.’”

A police officer boarded. Then a second and a third.

Bridges then began recording, as did another passenger — as the officers leaned over the man, a lone holdout in his window seat.

“Can’t they rent a car for the pilots?” another passenger asks in the videos.

Then the man, out of frame, screams.

One of the officers quickly reaches across two empty seats, snatches the man and pulls him into the aisle.

“My God!” someone yells — not for the first time.

He goes limp after hitting the floor.

“It looked like it knocked him out,” Bridges said. “His nose was bloody.”

His glasses nearly knocked off his face, the man clutches his cellphone as one of the officers pulls him by both arms down the aisle and off the plane.

“This is horrible,” someone says.

“What are you doing? No! This is wrong.”

And with that, Bridges said, four United employees boarded and took the empty seats.

They were not popular among the passengers, he recalled.

“People were saying you should be ashamed to work for this company,” Bridges said.

And it wasn’t over.

In another video, the man runs back onto the plane, his clothes still mussed from his forcible ejection, frantically repeating: “I have to go home. I have to go home.”

“He was kind of dazed and confused,” Bridges said. He recalled a group of high school students leaving the plane in disgust at that point, their adult escort explaining to other passengers: “They don’t need to see this anymore.”

The airline eventually cleared everyone from the plane, Bridges said, and did not let them back on until the man was removed a second time — in a stretcher.

In the end, Bridges and his wife got to Louisville about three hours late.

“It was a pretty tense flight,” he said.

United Chief Oscar Munoz tweeted that everyone at the airline was upset about it.

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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:14 pm

Australian children's author Mem Fox detained by US border control: 'I sobbed like a baby'

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Author of Possum Magic was aggressively questioned over her visa status and later received an apology for her treatment by border guards

• Mem Fox tells her story: ‘In that moment I loathed America’

The Australian children’s book author Mem Fox has suggested she might never return to the US after she was detained and insulted by border control agents at Los Angeles airport.

Fox, who is famous worldwide for her bestselling books including Ten Little Fingers and Ten Little Toes and Possum Magic, was en route to a conference in Milwaukee earlier this month when she was stopped.

She told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation she was detained for one hour and 40 minutes and questioned by border agents for 15 minutes in front of a room full of people – an experience that left her feeling like she had been physically assaulted.

“I have never in my life been spoken to with such insolence, treated with such disdain, with so many insults and with so much gratuitous impoliteness,” Fox said.

“I felt like I had been physically assaulted which is why, when I got to my hotel room, I completely collapsed and sobbed like a baby, and I’m 70 years old.”

The author attributed the aggressive questioning to border police who had been “turbocharged” by Donald Trump’s proposed travel ban.

Fox said she was questioned over her visa, despite having travelled to America 116 times before without incident. She was eventually granted access to the country.

After lodging a complaint over her treatment with the Australian embassy in Washington and the US embassy in Canberra, Fox received an emailed apology from US officials.

Fox said she was shocked by her treatment and “couldn’t imagine” returning to the US.

Fox has written more than 30 children’s books, including the hits Where is the Green Sheep? and Time for Bed. Possum Magic has sold more than three million copies and is the bestselling picture book in Australian history.

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Re: Airport Security? More Like TSA GONE WILD

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:23 pm

Published on Apr 11, 2017
Jimmy has a lot to say about the video of a United Airlines passenger being dragged off a plane because the flight was overbooked. Amidst all the controversy though, United won't even admit doing anything wrong, in fact they seem to be doubling down.


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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:34 pm

The writer Mem Fox eventually got an apology from the US embassy. Being 70 years old, and being famous in her native country, may have been some help.

This young guy still hasn't. No apology, no explanation, no reason for his singling-out, nothing. Not even a fucking refund, presumably. And of course he had a valid visa. He is a UK citizen, not dual-nationality (and even his parents were Bangladeshi, i.e., not on that list of seven countries), so the Guardian's attempt to blame this on Trump's short-lived "travel-ban" is just a ludicrous grasping at straws. The US has been fascist ever since 9/11.

British Muslim teacher taken off US-bound flight: I was treated like a criminal

Juhel Miah, 25, calls for explanation for treatment by US officials, which left him feeling angry and humiliated

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Juhel Miah at the school where he teaches in Neath, Wales Photograph: Dimitris Legakis/Athena Pictures

A young British Muslim teacher escorted off a New York-bound flight by US officials in front of the school party he was helping lead has spoken of his concerns that he was targeted simply because of his religion.

Maths teacher Juhel Miah, 25, who was born in Birmingham and brought up in Swansea, said his treatment left him feeling humiliated. Both he and his school are demanding an explanation from the US authorities.

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Miah told the Guardian: “I’m not an angry type of person. I don’t get easily worked up, otherwise I wouldn’t be a teacher. But I was definitely angry. It hit me the hardest was when I was being escorted off the plane. Everyone was looking at me.

“Not just members of the public but my school, my kids, fellow teachers. It made me feel so small, as if I had done something wrong, as if I am a criminal. Everyone must have been thinking that – even the kids from my school. I hope not but that’s what was going through my head. I didn’t know where to look.

“This shouldn’t happen to anyone. I’ve followed all the procedures. I’ve ticked all the right boxes yet they made me feel like a criminal. I’ve got no criminal record, I’ve never been in trouble. I was in shock, I couldn’t believe it was happening. I felt powerless, as if I was being targeted and there was nothing I could do.

“No one could give me an explanation. The only thing I can put it down to unfortunately – I hope I’m wrong – is because I’m a Muslim. That’s all I can put it down to. I hope that’s not true.”

[...]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... a-criminal


By the way, as a schoolteacher with a party of schoolkids he was travelling in loco parentis. So that left his school party one teacher short, which presumably breaks multiple school rules, maybe even UK laws.
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Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:45 pm

slad, please let's not refer to the incident wherein the Chinese physician was bloodied before being dragged off the plane as the plane "being overbooked." The plane was not overbooked. United, bumped the passengers off their fully-booked and paid for flight in order to provide room to transfer a four person flight crew to Louisville.

Maximum cost to find passengers agreeable to take a later flight from O'Hare would have been about $5k each or $20,000 total. Their losss from stock sales resulting from their poor treatment of this passenger has already cost the airline $830 million and may top $1 billion.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:01 pm

Iamwhomiam » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:45 am wrote:please let's not refer to the incident wherein the Chinese physician was bloodied before being dragged off the plane as the plane "being overbooked." The plane was not overbooked. United, bumped the passengers off their fully-booked and paid for flight in order to provide room to transfer a four person flight crew to Louisville.


Good point. It was just an arrogant and arbitrary demonstration of power

Fwiw, I'm close to someone who's worked for more than 15 years as a flight attendant for one of the big European airlines. Overbookings are common, but she has never heard of any overbooking ever being dealt with in this way or anything remotely like it.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:07 pm

Iamwhomiam » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:45 am wrote:slad, please let's not refer to the incident wherein the Chinese physician was bloodied before being dragged off the plane as the plane "being overbooked." The plane was not overbooked. United, bumped the passengers off their fully-booked and paid for flight in order to provide room to transfer a four person flight crew to Louisville.

Maximum cost to find passengers agreeable to take a later flight from O'Hare would have been about $5k each or $20,000 total. Their losss from stock sales resulting from their poor treatment of this passenger has already cost the airline $830 million and may top $1 billion.



I didn't say that ..it was the comment on the Kimmel vid

and I thought the incident was covered pretty well by Cordelia's post but thanks for the added information
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Postby Cordelia » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:12 pm

That the airline sanctioned an assault on a passenger would (almost) be unbelievable in a world not gone insane. The only thing I would find more chilling is if the other passengers hadn't responded with shock and outrage.

Scary how people recruited to 'security' jobs can so easily be trained to be corporate thugs and then unleashed on their paying customers the public. :scaredhide:
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:47 pm

Yes, the one encouraging thing was the passengers' response. Maybe someday there will be an actual rebellion.

9/11 is still the issue. It can't be ignored forever, not without even worse consequences. It's the Uninvestigated Crime that Serves to Justify Everything, including this fascist brutality and all the sinister foolishness of the airport "security" theatre.
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Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:56 pm

Agreed, Mac." It was just an arrogant and arbitrary demonstration of power"

My apologies for my misunderstanding, slad.

I would have been arrested for coming to the doctor's defense if I had been on that plane and witnessed this astounding abuse of a consumer. People must do more than record such scenes, they must put their bodies on the line because if they don't, it will only become markedly worse.

Everyone should write their representatives in Congress and demand authorities end their abusive practice of forcefully "de-boarding" paying customers by acting at the behest of the airline in the interests of corporate (airline) profits over common and courteous human decency.

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Postby Karmamatterz » Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:50 pm

Iam,

I'll second you on what your posted with the exception of running to the government for help. Screw that, the government sucks and could care less and they are not here to be our benefactors.

Hit United with wallets and purses. They will learn their lesson, as will the other airlines when people boycott their business. A mass movement to simply stop flying United would be a powerful statement.

I doubt much will happen though. People will go back to their lives and this too shall pass. If enough elderly grandmothers got pulled off of planes in such a manner we might then see more people outraged. If someone were selling t-shirts that said Don't Fly United I would buy one and wear when flying. I travel enough for work that it would make it worthwhile. I quit flying United years ago, they can kiss my ass.
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Postby Cordelia » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:35 pm

seemslikeadream » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:07 pm wrote:
Iamwhomiam » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:45 am wrote:slad, please let's not refer to the incident wherein the Chinese physician was bloodied before being dragged off the plane as the plane "being overbooked." The plane was not overbooked. United, bumped the passengers off their fully-booked and paid for flight in order to provide room to transfer a four person flight crew to Louisville.

Maximum cost to find passengers agreeable to take a later flight from O'Hare would have been about $5k each or $20,000 total. Their losss from stock sales resulting from their poor treatment of this passenger has already cost the airline $830 million and may top $1 billion.



I didn't say that ..it was the comment on the Kimmel vid


and I thought the incident was covered pretty well by Cordelia's post but thanks for the added information


True, along with NPR and the BBC, who continue to call the flight 'over-booked'.

(United's cavalier and contemptuous responses are reminders to me that corporations act on their financial responsibility to their stockholders and not to the service or care of their customers.)
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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:27 pm

at least watch the last minute of the video..it's the reason I posted it
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