need a book suggestion - overview of "rig-int" material

[nashvillebrook]

I'm looking for suggestions for a good "beginner's guide" to this stuff that we obsess on to provide to the SO.

My library is full of books that go deep into specific subjects -- and he's not ready for that. Would anyone like to share their suggestions for great "overview" books?

My top suggestions have been Jeff's Rigorous Intuition, the Peter Levenda books, and Lynn McTaggart's The Field. What do you think? What do you suggest for people who are new to the material?

High strangeness with a science bent -- someone who has intelligently examined the genre...not as a true believer, and not as a skeptic (wow, i'm totally describing Jeff).

We're spending a week on a remote island in north Florida to kayak and read -- and I'm thrilled that he's wanting to dive into this.

[Stephen Morgan]

Might it not be a good idea to find out which area of interest he's most interested in and start off with that, then branch out.

[Montag]

I think it's hard b/c with this material, I think you're either all in or you're not. Books that one person might find to be fabulous, another will no doubt come along and say it's all tripe.

[stefano]

Rigorous Intuition. I've lent it out and have received mixed feedback, but I like to think some of it stuck. Or Peter Dale Scott, if you want to keep to the, erm, exoteric.

[Montag]

Stefano suggested Peter Dale Scott, he's probably as good as anybody. I'd say Jim Marrs catalog will introduce you to basically all of this material. But I'm sure there's people here who who don't like him (probably think nothing of him, in fact ).

[semper occultus]

Cosmic Trigger by Robert Anton Wilson

google "cosmic trigger pdf" & check it out on http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net

John Keel;s stuff is good on weirdness / UFO's but doesn't get into the parapolitical angle

[nashvillebrook]

I think it's hard b/c with this material, I think you're either all in or you're not. Books that one person might find to be fabulous, another will no doubt come along and say it's all tripe.

this is exactly my experience. i think it's the nature of the way research is done -- people have their lines of interest, and they go deep. in a way, i think he wants to write the book he's describing -- the way professors sometimes teach classes in subjects they're trying to understand better.

[Montag]

this is exactly my experience. i think it's the nature of the way research is done -- people have their lines of interest, and they go deep. in a way, i think he wants to write the book he's describing -- the way professors sometimes teach classes in subjects they're trying to understand better.

But the problem in rig-int stuff, is once you bring psyops into it, and disinformation folks, you have to know a lot about what you're talking about or be taken for a ride. In studying the Roman Empire or some such, typical academic historians, don't have any of this to deal with (I don't think). It's much easier to say that a particular author and his/her books are as good as gold.

[nashvillebrook]

Cosmic Trigger by Robert Anton Wilson

google "cosmic trigger pdf" & check it out on http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net

John Keel;s stuff is good on weirdness / UFO's but doesn't get into the parapolitical angle

the John Keel suggestion is GREAT. i've loaned him my doggeared Cosmic Trigger and Illuminatus Trilogy repeatedly. They keep winding up in the bathroom under months of Motor Trend. TMI -- I know --

damn -- i'm seeing there's not a kindle edition to these. the cryptid angle with the Keel stuff is really appealing. for some reason he's fascinated with Terasaurs -- which seems like a really weird sidebar to this material. altho, it makes me think of the stories that come out of Skinwalker ranch, and lots of the lore of central and south america.

[nashvillebrook]

this is exactly my experience. i think it's the nature of the way research is done -- people have their lines of interest, and they go deep. in a way, i think he wants to write the book he's describing -- the way professors sometimes teach classes in subjects they're trying to understand better.

But the problem in rig-int stuff, is once you bring psyops into it, and disinformation folks, you have to know a lot about what you're talking about or be taken for a ride. In studying the Roman Empire or some such, typical academic historians, don't have any of this to deal with.

Yep -- I brought out my copy of Glimpses of Other Realities with exactly that caveat: here lies *some* disinfo and some not-disinfo. Which is exactly why I'm fascinated with it -- no fun if there's nothing to deconstruct. In a way, I think there's a rite of passage associated with dealing with rabbit holes. you can't shield people from it -- they have to deal with it the same way we did/do.

[nashvillebrook]

Rigorous Intuition. I've lent it out and have received mixed feedback, but I like to think some of it stuck. Or Peter Dale Scott, if you want to keep to the, erm, exoteric.

"exoteric" - i love it!!

peter dale scott is on my own reading list. that's a rabbit hole i've neglected, mostly b/c it depresses me. it's my own personal horror genre -- lovecraft et al are jaunty diversions compared to the horror of power.

[nashvillebrook]

Stefano suggested Peter Dale Scott, he's probably as good as anybody. I'd say Jim Marrs catalog will introduce you to basically all of this material. But I'm sure there's people here who who don't like him (probably think nothing of him, in fact ).

i can see him not caring for Marrs. I actually get stink eye for some of the Marrs material. i love hearing him talk, tho. I guess it's the Texas accent -- like he's a regular joe trying to figure stuff out like the rest of us. it's when he goes all NWO that i get turned off. it feels like a copout. it's too easy.

[Montag]

i can see him not caring for Marrs. I actually get stink eye for some of the Marrs material. i love hearing him talk, tho. I guess it's the Texas accent -- like he's a regular joe trying to figure stuff out like the rest of us. it's when he goes all NWO that i get turned off. it feels like a copout. it's too easy.

Whether or not some of the information he presents is faulty. I think his books are interesting reading. He covers about as many topics/much ground as anybody. I think he's touched on just about everything of interest to the "conspiracy community".

[82_28]

The Transmigration of Timothy Archer

UBIK

Radio Free Albemuth

Time Out of Joint

All by PKD.

And then I would run with Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood.

White Noise by Don Delillo.

And any old Choose Your Own Adventure book from the 80s after that.

Oh and Dragons of Eden by Carl Sagan for good measure.

[nashvillebrook]

i can see him not caring for Marrs. I actually get stink eye for some of the Marrs material. i love hearing him talk, tho. I guess it's the Texas accent -- like he's a regular joe trying to figure stuff out like the rest of us. it's when he goes all NWO that i get turned off. it feels like a copout. it's too easy.

Whether or not some of the information he presents is faulty. I think his books are interesting reading. He covers about as many topics/much ground as anybody. I think he's touched on just about everything of interest to the "conspiracy community".

what's your suggestion wrt to Marrs -- i might give him another shot. I think I have Alien Agenda in my collection. i've had psi-spies and rise of the 4th Reich in my shopping cart many times, and haven't pulled the trigger.