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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:07 pm

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WikiLeaks is adamantly denying that Assange ever met with Manafort. But they also adamantly denied ever communicating with Roger Stone. (We now know that they exchanged direct messages in October 2016.)

Roger Stone's Secret Messages with WikiLeaks
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ks/554432/


Worth noting that Manafort hasn't denied that he visited Assange, only that he was involved in hacks. His lawyers are declining to answer q's about the visits but also have not denied that they happened. (His spox has declined to comment on record for now)
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:22 pm

Ooh, spectacular, I see this now.

Compares first pub of Harding in Guardian to current version (which is the one I archived above) with a new headline ("Sources Say") and additional weaseling added to back off from a few of Harding's certainties.

https://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/1706143/diff/0/1
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Rory » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:41 pm

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She posted this before the restriction (and can still tweet, currently afaik [edit - her last tweet was >2hrs ago, so cannot still tweet]), but the restrictions presumably impact if they appear in the timeline (or not, I would assume is the goal)
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:42 am

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Fast-forwarding to April 2019.

Timing: #Russiagate has collapsed but the idea of Wikileaks as "hostile intel agency" magically responsible for swinging the 2016 election to Trump is still hegemonic in the U.S. Repeatedly over the last weeks the Moreno government has made public accusations against Assange and it has been reported that the embassy is about to expel him, but he remains in the embassy several days after the latest warning this would happen within hours. As we know from earlier revelations, an indictment awaits Assange in federal court in Virginia, on charges related not to any of the post-2016 stories about him, but to the original 2010 leaks of the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs and the State Department cables provided by Chelsea Manning. Manning, meanwhile, was called to testify before the grand jury, refused (saying her statement of guilt from several years ago was all she had to say), and imprisoned for contempt. She was kept in solitary but now has been let out into genpop. She remains imprisoned.

Crosspost from another thread:

RocketMan » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:19 am wrote:
Grizzly » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:53 am wrote:So, I don't get it, are you for or against Julian Assange, slad?


I'm sure there's plenty of people out there who think torture and legally sketchy imprisonment are abhorrent IN THEORY, but are silently pleased at the prospect of Assange being frogmarched out of the embassy and into a waiting prisoner transport to the US and some legal black hole. I suppose being an asshole is enough for some people to indict.


Contrary to evidence or common sense, Assange has been cast as Satan's primary demon in the #Russiagate mythology, the Saruman to Putin's Sauron. Not just by the former spook chiefs turned richly-paid cable news consultants Clapper-Brennan (the authors of the "intelligence community" report of Jan. 2017 and very likely the inventors of "Guccifer 2.0") but equally by the current "community" and its deep state kingpin, Pompeo Maximus, who declared Wikileaks a "hostile non-state intelligence agency." Whatever the contradictions in joining these monsters on their special bipartisan imperialist witchhunt, you may have noticed there are demographics who either a) staked their sense of identity in the world on the #Russiagate mythology as members of its producing fandom, or, related, b) believe that the most qualified presidential candidate in all history was a sure bet to win before she was felled solely by the sexism of creepy men accused of sex crimes, like Assange. As crazy as it is to think, there are people who believe the outcome of 2016 hinged on Assange. So for this reason they're prepared to cheer when the journalist and de facto prisoner is expelled from his embassy refuge, arrested by UK, and almost certainly given over to the US, which is certain to keep him for years before trial and to torture him at the least through solitary confinement, as they have done with Manning.

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby alloneword » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:13 am

A handy compendium of False statements about Assange and WikiLeaks:
DEFAMATION LIST

The absence of any claim from this list does not imply that the claim is not false or defamatory.

MOST COMMON DEFAMATIONS

#1.1

It is false and defamatory to suggest that Julian Assange is, or has ever been, charged with an offence by the United Kingdom or Sweden [see https://defend.wikileaks.org/about-julian/]...
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Harvey » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:07 am

Assange has just been arrested.

Scroll back a half an hour or so here.



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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby RocketMan » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:14 am

Ecuador's comprador president Moreno apparently did get a written assurance that Assange would not be extradited to anywhere that allows torture & the death penalty (ie. the US). That's something, at least.

Well, we'll see how this plays out, now. I guess it was inevitable. Assange doesn't look too healthy. Let the sarcastic snickering among the "liberal" class start.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby RocketMan » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:26 am

Then again, James Ball points out in Twitter that:

This is carefully phrased: Ecuador sought and received guarantees Assange wouldn’t be extradited where he could face “torture or the death penalty”.

That doesn’t rule out US extradition – it just means the US would have to rule out the death penalty.


and

That’s an easy guarantee for the UK to give, as it’s essentially impossible for an EU country to extradite someone to face the death penalty under existing human rights law anyway.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Harvey » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:51 am

RocketMan » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:26 am wrote:Then again, James Ball points out in Twitter that:

This is carefully phrased: Ecuador sought and received guarantees Assange wouldn’t be extradited where he could face “torture or the death penalty”.

That doesn’t rule out US extradition – it just means the US would have to rule out the death penalty.


and

That’s an easy guarantee for the UK to give, as it’s essentially impossible for an EU country to extradite someone to face the death penalty under existing human rights law anyway.


Although looking at Julians current health, extradition is defacto execution.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby RocketMan » Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:18 am

A goddamn disgrace all around.

This fucking world. Reading the UK government's statement is like reading some second-rate movie baddie's dialogue.

Fuckfuckfuckfuck.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:41 am

Justice Department released an indictment. As expected, it is all about 2010, not a trace of 2016 in it.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wi ... conspiracy

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Thursday, April 11, 2019

WikiLeaks Founder Charged in Computer Hacking Conspiracy

ALEXANDRIA, Va. – Julian P. Assange, 47, the founder of WikiLeaks, was arrested today in the United Kingdom pursuant to the U.S./UK Extradition Treaty, in connection with a federal charge of conspiracy to commit computer intrusion for agreeing to break a password to a classified U.S. government computer.

According to court documents unsealed today, the charge relates to Assange’s alleged role in one of the largest compromises of classified information in the history of the United States.

The indictment alleges that in March 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the U.S. Army, to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on U.S. Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet), a U.S. government network used for classified documents and communications. Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with her duties as an intelligence analyst, was using the computers to download classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks. Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that did not belong to her. Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the illegal disclosures.

During the conspiracy, Manning and Assange engaged in real-time discussions regarding Manning’s transmission of classified records to Assange. The discussions also reflect Assange actively encouraging Manning to provide more information. During an exchange, Manning told Assange that “after this upload, that’s all I really have got left.” To which Assange replied, “curious eyes never run dry in my experience.”


Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If convicted, he faces a maximum penalty of five years in prison. Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after taking into account the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

G. Zachary Terwilliger, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, John C. Demers, Assistant Attorney General for National Security, and Nancy McNamara, Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI’s Washington Field Office, made the announcement after the charges were unsealed. First Assistant U.S. Attorney Tracy Doherty-McCormick, Assistant U.S. Attorneys Kellen S. Dwyer, Thomas W. Traxler and Gordon D. Kromberg, and Trial Attorneys Matthew R. Walczewski and Nicholas O. Hunter of the Justice Department’s National Security Division are prosecuting the case.

The extradition will be handled by the Department of Justice’s Office of International Affairs.

A copy of this press release is located on the website of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Virginia. Related court documents and information are located on the website of the District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia or on PACER by searching for Case No. 1:18-cr-111.

An indictment contains allegations that a defendant has committed a crime. Every defendant is presumed to be innocent until and unless proven guilty in court.

Attachment(s):
Download assange_indictment.pdf
Topic(s):
Cyber Crime
National Security
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USAO - Virginia, Eastern
Contact:
Joshua Stueve
Director of Communications
joshua.stueve@usdoj.gov



Really strange this is the best they've come up with. I should say, "the best." Some lawyer team must have researched and brainstormed a good long time. I am impressed with Assange's discipline (in all things non-sexual) if this was truly his only fuck-up.

Look at the Lamo-Manning transcripts as an example. Everything was in there, they had them talking about everything. If this happened, they will have better evidence than what the DoJ is citing in the indictment.

INDICTMENT, full text.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... d/full.pdf

22. In orderto further the goals and purposesofthe conspiracy, Assange andhis coconspirators committed overt acts, including, but not limited to, the following:
23. Onorabout March 2, 2010, Manning copied a Linux operating system to a CD,to
allow Manning to access a United States Department of Defense computerfile that was
accessible only to users with administrative-level privileges.
24. Onorabout March 8, 2010, Manning provided Assange with part of a password
stored on United States Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet
Protocol Network.
25. Onorabout March 10, 2010, Assange requested more information from Manning
related to the password. Assange indicated that he had beentryingto crack the password by
stating that he had “no luck so far.”


Now the extradition has to get through UK court. Anyone know what this involves? How long can the lawyers delay? Can they WIN?!

With some luck, in two months Corbyn will be the PM.

But I tell you if the Americans get their clutches on him another six charges will drop, equating him with Osama bin Ladin raining Russian nukes down on churches in Arkansas.

I expect the password cracking charge is a teaser to justify extradition.

There's no way they are not going to bring out sixteen other charges with medieval consequences soon as they've got him. I mean, I figure.

How can they tolerate the possibility of losing on a case without having a backup case?
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby RocketMan » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:23 am

Exactly, I agree. They're just using the maximum five year sentence charge as a bait to get him on US soil. Then it's all bets are fucking off and sayonara Mr. Assange.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Grizzly » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:29 pm

Thanks, Jack....

Since no one replied to my post in the other JA thread, I'll repost here:



The psychological campaign against Julian Assange, its origins & Maintenance: Dr Lissa Johnson

Please donate to the Chelsea Manning defence fund - https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising... Please donate to the Julian Assange /Wikileaks defence fund - https://www.gofundme.com/julian-assan.... Joe Lauria, Editor in Chief at Consortium News (https://consortiumnews.com/) & Elizabeth Lea Vos Elizabeth Lea Vos, Journalist and Co-host and Co-founder of #Unity4J - https://twitter.com/ElizabethleaVos Dr Lissa Johnson, a clinical psychologist qualified in Media Studies, with a major in Sociology, and a member of the Australian Psychological Society Public Interest Advisory Group, has a longstanding interest in the impact of psychology and social issues. In 'The New Matilda', Dr Lissa Johnson has written five articles on 'The Psychology of Getting Julian Assange'. https://newmatilda.com/author/lissa-j... https://twitter.com/LissaKJohnson To read the whole Assange series: PART 1: The Psychology Of Getting Julian Assange: What’s Torture Got To Do With It? https://newmatilda.com/2019/02/19/psy... PART 2: The Psychology Of Getting Julian Assange: The Court Of Public Opinion And The Blood-Curdling Untold Story https://newmatilda.com/2019/02/25/psy... PART 3: The Psychology of Getting Julian Assange – Wikileaks and Russiagate: Trust Us, We’re The CIA https://newmatilda.com/2019/03/02/psy... PART 4: The Psychology Of Getting Julian Assange: Why Even Some Lefties Want To See Him Hang https://newmatilda.com/2019/03/15/the... PART 5: The Psychology Of Getting Julian Assange: War Propaganda 101 https://newmatilda.com/2019/03/25/the... Tim Canova, a Democrat running for Congress in California, opposite Debbie Wasserman Schulz - https://timcanova.com/ Peter B Collins, radio host and writer provides analysis on important national and international issues, and interviews political leaders, journalists, authors. https://www.peterbcollins.com/ Source video: #Unity4J 22.0 Online Vigil in support of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9zze...


Also, https://valtin2006.blogspot.com/ had been all over the torture game from the beginning (and I'll say with great humility) my help. HE FINALLY TOLD DAILYKOS TO GO FUCK THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF THE ENABLERS OF TORTURE AT DAYILYKOS .
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:16 pm

Listened to the whole thing. Johnson's really good on psychology of psyops. Love how she thinks & lays it out.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby liminalOyster » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:28 pm

I'm really really pissed today. Burn it all down. Motherfuckers.
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