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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Jerky » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:52 am

So Wikileaks essentially BURIED a Stratfor collected draft briefing that disproved one of their key propaganda points for the past decade ("US HELL-BENT ON REGIME CHANGE IN SYRIA!!!") and you think that makes them "amazing"?

What is it about that messianic Gollum Assange that sparks such irrational devotion to him, and a willingness in otherwise intelligent people to twist their brain every which-way and upside down, just to make sure that every fact taken in casts him as a hero when, in fact, he is objectively a doo-doo head?

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JackRiddler » 20 Apr 2019 16:38 wrote:.

Here is an example of why Wikileaks is such an amazing resource. Nafeez was able to find these source documents from the US government in the Stratfor data dump. I don't quite agree with his thesis - there were multiple interests and drives working within the US government, including deep state (official-secret) and parapolitical (outside-inside networks) elements, as well as the action of the regional "allies," to shape the policy toward Syria. Some tended to support the maintenance of Assad, others obviously supported regime change but only by jihadi invasion (can't have actual peaceful civilian revolutions taking power in the M.E.), while yet others didn't care as long as they were stirring the pot, serving the regional allied interests for cash, selling lots of arms, recruiting men with guns for future purposes, etc. The same government was running Timber Sycamore, and I would say that seems to have represented the main thrust, at least until around 2014-15, when ISIS (I think an unintended but fully predictable product of the strategy) started getting too successful and really complicated shit, followed by the Russians.

But anyway, Nafeez's research here is thanks to Wikileaks serving as an archive for the Stratfor papers provided by Barrett Brown. He and Assange have paid a serious price for their courage, whether or not they are currently friends.

US military document reveals how the West opposed a democratic Syria
by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, 24 September 2018

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US military documents from 2011 and 2016 reveal that although officials wanted a Syrian regime change in theory, they thought it was highly unlikely to actually happen — and hoped that if President Bashar al-Assad was overthrown, he would not be replaced by an opposition-led Syrian democracy but, rather, the same Alawite-Baathist ruling structure would continue. The end result was to be the decimation of the democratic opposition, the consolidation of Islamist forces and regime preservation.

‘The US has given up on the overthrow of Assad in Syria’, wrote Robert Fisk this summer. Indeed, as the Russian-backed Syrian army prepared to execute its final offensive on Idlib, western governments appeared to signal their acceptance of a bloody victory for Assad, despite the ritual denunciations.

But at the last minute, Russia and Turkey agreed a truce to ward off a Russian-led attack for at least a month, and establish a buffer zone to protect 3 million civilians. The deal will involve hashing out how to remove extremist rebels from the buffer zone, and Turkey has announced it will send more troops into Idlib.

As the Idlib offensive loomed, the West, curiously, did little of substance in any particular direction. According to two newly uncovered US military documents, western reticence might be because the US was never really committed to overthrowing Assad, due to a self-serving strategy that has been wildly misunderstood.

The documents suggest that both early on and toward the later phase of the conflict, senior US military officials had not given any credence to the democratic aspirations of Syrian protestors, but had merely sought to use them as a tool to sideline expanding Iranian influence. Toppling the regime was dismissed as a highly improbable scenario, with officials indicating they believed the survival of an authoritarian Baathist governing structure — with or without Assad — was inevitable.

Predicting opposition failure

According to a US secret draft military document obtained via the Wikileaks archive, as far back as August 2011 (six months after the Syrian uprising began) US military officials were highly ambivalent about ‘regime change’ in Syria, on the grounds that opposition forces would never win. Supporting the rebels, the officials hoped, might encourage forces within Assad’s regime to remove him while maintaining the Alawite-dominated authoritarian power structure. But military intervention was not on the cards.

The document, reported here for the first time, is the draft of an internal US Marine Corps’ (USMC) Intelligence Department forecasting paper, produced jointly by analysts at the private intelligence firm Stratfor and senior USMC officials (1).

‘The Syrian Alawite-Baathist regime led by President Bashar al Assad will weaken significantly over the next three years, but its break point is unlikely to be imminent’, it states. ‘Fractured opposition forces in Syria are unlikely to overcome the logistical constraints preventing them from cohering into a meaningful threat against the regime within this time frame.’

The document was meant to be an internal USMC intelligence assessment and was never formally released to the public by the agency. It saw regime change as desirable in theory, but unattainable in practice, warning that Syria would experience ‘a violent, protracted civil conflict, one that will enflame sectarian unrest... The potential for the regime to collapse cannot be ruled out, but the road to regime change will be a long and bloody one.’

While the document does not strictly rule out regime change, it marshals abundant evidence to argue that a regime change effort would be futile. In particular, the document concludes that opposition forces would be unable to overthrow Assad: ‘... the opposition in Syria does not yet have the numbers, organization or capabilities overall to overwhelm the regime forces. Syria’s opposition is extremely fractured and is operating under enormous constraints inside the country.’

Hoping the Alawite elite steps in

Instead, the USMC report states: ‘The more probable threat the regime will be facing will come from within’ — in the form of ‘an attempt by high-ranking military and business elite of the regime to mount a coup’ against Assad, prompted by fears of his weakness.

The document puts into context previously reported leaked Stratfor emails dated from December 2011 (four months after the USMC draft document), referring to a write-up of a meeting with US military intelligence officials. The write-up ruled out a major air campaign and noted the role of special operations teams on the ground in Syria ‘training opposition forces’ to ‘try to break the back of the Alawite forces, elicit collapse from within’.

Taken in context with the USMC Intelligence Department’s draft forecasting document from August 2011, it is clear that senior US defence strategists did not envisage a democratic victory for the opposition, but hoped to create sufficient pressure to usher in a collapse of the ‘Alawite forces ... from within’, by triggering an Alawite coup against Assad. In other words, the opposition was seen as a temporary tool, to be discarded once the goal of ensuring a more ‘friendly’ autocratic Baathist structure was in place.

The draft USMC intelligence document notes that despite a growing appetite among US allies for an alternative to Assad, no one wanted to actually get their hands dirty trying to topple him.

Conceding that ‘external support for a Syrian alternative to the al-Assad regime will grow with time,’ the document observes that ‘none of the major stakeholders in the region, including Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United States, appear interested in dealing with the destabilising effects of regime change in Syria in the region.’

Prepared in August 2011 as part of a series of USMC intelligence briefs drafted with Stratfor’s support, the document was buried amidst the massive corpus of Stratfor emails that were originally leaked and published by Wikileaks from 2012 to 2014.

Within the 5 million strong Stratfor corpus is a body of email correspondence in 2011 between Stratfor analysts and senior US Marine Corps officers. The emails show that the USMC Intelligence Department had commissioned Stratfor to work with USMC officials in drafting this intelligence forecasting paper, along with several other briefs. The USMC officials who established the Stratfor partnership included USMC chief of intelligence assessments Lieutenant Colonel Drew Cukor, Major William Osborne of USMC’s Future Assessments Branch, and USMC Director of Intelligence, Brigadier General Vincent Stewart.

Some caveats: the document is only a draft and we cannot tell what the final polished version looks like, although the USMC-Stratfor drafting process can actually be traced through the leaked correspondence — and this document looks to be a near final version. Also, the document is obviously not a direct reflection of US government policy, but rather gives us an insight into the internal assessment of senior US military intelligence officers. In that sense, while the document’s import should not be automatically conflated with White House policy, we ought not to dismiss its significance in granting insight into how US military planners appear to have viewed the conflict from early on.

While the document does not explicitly make direct policy recommendations, it sets out available options, preferences and scenarios. The USMC Intelligence Department, for which the forecasting assessment was drafted, is a highly influential agency which directly feeds into the execution of special operations. According to its mission statement: ‘The Intelligence Department is responsible for policy, plans, programming, budgets, and staff supervision of Intelligence and supporting activities within the Unites States Marine Corps. The Department supports the Commandant of the Marine Corps (CMC) in his role as a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS), represents the service in Joint and Intelligence Community matters, and exercises supervision over the Marine Corps Intelligence Activity (MCIA).’

This makes it all the more significant that the draft USMC intelligence assessment concluded that it was highly improbable that the regime would collapse.

Support for Sunni Islamists to undermine Shia Iran

US military officials’ biggest fear was the prospect of Iran expanding its geopolitical influence. The document advocated that the US work with its regional allies in supporting Islamist groups to counter this: ‘... Turkey, the United States, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and others have a common interest in trying to severely undermine Iran’s foothold in the Levant and dial back Hezbollah’s political and military influence in Lebanon. Turkey, in particular, is the country with the most leverage over Syria in the long term, and has an interest in seeing this territory return to Sunni rule.’

Despite acknowledging that opposition groups would probably fail to overthrow Assad, the document still assesses that they could be mobilised to counter Iranian encroachment. It was accepted that this would empower Islamist forces among the Syrian opposition, rather than democratic and secular forces: ‘Turkey does not have good options nor the capability to effect change in Syria any time soon, but it will gradually attempt to build up linkages with groups inside Syria, focusing in particular on the Islamist remnants of the Muslim Brotherhood in trying to fashion a viable Islamist political force in Syria that would operate under Ankara’s umbrella. This will take time to develop, but the geopolitical dynamic of the region points to a gradually [sic] weakening of the Alawite hold on power in Syria.’

The anti-democratic nature of the strategy was clear. Regardless of the democratic aspirations driving the Syrian uprising, US military officials were content with the idea of encouraging foreign powers to nurture Islamist forces in Syria who would operate under the ‘umbrella’ of those foreign powers: all to try and weaken Iran’s foothold.

The document also indicates that the US did not plan a military intervention for regime change at this time. The overall verdict was ‘better the devil you know’. ‘We do not anticipate the USMC militarily intervening in either Syria or Lebanon with a mission to stabilize the situation’, the document says: ‘The sectarian dynamics are far too complex for the United States to afford becoming embroiled in. Instead, this will be a regional crisis for Turkey to manage. Since Turkey is still early in its regional rise, it will need considerable backing and support from its allies, but even then, is unlikely to be able to effectively deal with such a crisis within the next three years.’

Breaking up Syria

The draft USMC assessment is largely corroborated by a little-known Joint Special Operations University (JSOU) study published five years later, unreported until now, which similarly provides a window into the thinking of US defence planners.

By 2016, the conflict had seemingly reached a grinding stalemate. The previous year, then Pentagon intelligence chief Lieutenant General Vincent Stewart expected Syria to eventually split into ‘two or three parts’. UN special envoy for Syria, Staffan de Mistura, similarly observed that Syria was experiencing a de facto partition that might need to be formally accepted by the international community. Russia and Iran were moving along the same lines. An international consensus had emerged that Assad would remain in power in an Alawite-run mini-state, leaving the rest of Syria in the hands of ISIS, other Islamist rebels, and the Kurds.

The JSOU study, titled The Collapse of Iraq and Syria: The End of the Colonial Construct in the Greater Levant, was authored by Dr Roby Barrett — a senior fellow at the JSOU where he has instructed US military officers in applied intelligence and advises the Pentagon, State Department and intelligence community. The JSOU is US Special Operations Command’s designated agency to educate and advise Special Operations officers, based at MacDill Air Force base in Florida.

Barrett’s basic message confirms: ‘The solution to the chaos cannot be found in regime change in Syria (although that might help)... The old colonial paradigm of artificial states has been replaced by a new structure that reflects a time that predates the Ottoman’s imperial control. Iraq and Syria no longer exist.’

This meant that US Special Forces (SOF) would need to accommodate a ‘new reality’: a shrunken Alawite regime in Syria, surrounded by a patchwork of opposition groups dominated by Islamist forces. While Barrett’s assessment cannot be taken as automatically reflective of US government policy, it appears broadly consistent with actual policy decisions at the time.

The document suggests that two years ago, US defence strategists were privately content to accept a status quo partition of Syria along ethnic and sectarian lines, with a continued role for both Assad and various Islamist forces: ‘There is already a de facto partition of the Greater Levant into a minority enclave still controlled by the Assad regime in Syria, the increasingly independent Kurdish regions, the emergence of a Sunnistan now dominated by ISIS [Islamic State or IS], and a Shi’a rump state from Baghdad to Basra.’

All this confirms that western goals in Syria were never about supporting the democratic uprising. The key reason the West avoided an all-out regime change strategy was fear of being unable to determine its consequences: ‘In short, the West and its allies wanted the Assads gone, but not the remaining government structure including the Alawite-dominated Syrian army and the security services.’

And Russia’s involvement has ‘at the absolute least assured the survival of an Alawite-rump state in the north and potentially from Damascus to Latakia’ — an observation that clearly underestimated the extent of Assad’s eventual victory.

Ruling out democracy

Barrett explains that the West’s strategy is to continue supporting undemocratic Islamist forces among the Syrian opposition, dismissing any chance of an opposition-based democracy: ‘A secular state run by a group devoted to democracy and western civil society is not going to emerge in Sunnistan. Policy needs to start discarding labels and decide which Islamist Salafi group or groups that it is going to back... to preserve US and Western interests it is going to be a search for the lesser evils.’

His comments reveal how distant US policy planners were from the aspirations of the original grassroots Syrian revolutionaries — exemplified in the Local Coordination Committees (LLCs). The LLCs are a trans-sectarian Syrian youth network which campaigned vigorously for highly participatory forms of direct democracy. But as noted by the Netherlands-based development group, Hivos, the LLCs had been ‘considerably weakened due to repression from both the regime and jihadi groups.’

Rather than support the LLCs, US policy appears to have wavered between weakening and tolerating Assad while largely supporting Islamist groups among the opposition — a strategy whose outcome was to escalate sectarian violence while extinguishing the democratic potential of the 2011 uprising.

To discuss the documents, I met with Professor Nader Hashemi, Director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Denver’s Josef Korbel School of International Studies; and Danny Postel, Assistant Director of Northwestern University’s Middle East and North African Studies Program.

‘With hundreds of agencies in the US government, we should of course be careful about interpreting any internal documents and how they reflect actual US government policy,’ Hashemi told me. ‘But these documents are completely consistent with the real track record of US policy not only in Syria but in the wider region, which has always held a deep and abiding anxiety about any form of democratisation, seeking instead to work with autocratic and authoritarian partners.’

According to Postel, this ambivalence meant that US strategy in Syria was never engaged in a serious effort to remove Assad: ‘If you look closely at what actual US policy in Syria consists of, you can clearly see that the US government has not only consistently avoided regime change, but has in effect pursued a policy of regime preservation.’

The documents confirm that the weakening of the LLCs was a direct consequence of a self-serving US strategy. The idea was to manipulate the opposition to achieve a new authoritarian status quo that would suit western interests, whether dominated by Baathists or Islamists.

Anand Gopal, who has reported from inside Syria, has previously argued that while the US hoped Assad would exit the scene, his continued rule was considered preferable to a democratic revolution. ‘Since the beginning, the US has sought to control the Syrian revolution and civil war to ensure that there would be no outcome directly opposed to American interests’, he said. ‘A successful revolution in Syria — especially one outside of American control — would have profound effects across the region, including in American client states. So although the US doesn’t like Assad and would like to see him step down, it prefers the continuation of Assad’s regime to any potential revolutionary alternative from below. It would like, in other words, a Yemen-type solution to the Syrian crisis.’

So the West’s current policy in Syria is no surprise. Trump’s decision to keep US troops in Syria until Iranian forces depart is consistent with the motivations that drove military officials under the previous Obama administration in Syria. That narrow-thinking led officials to greenlight Turkey’s support to Sunni Islamist groups back in 2011, regardless of the impact on the democratic core of Syria’s opposition; and the same narrow-thinking explains the decision to accommodate a fragmented, Assad-dominated Syria today, while still exerting pressure to sideline Iran’s influence.

No wonder, then, that as the Syrian army amassed its forces in preparation for the Idlib offensive, the West pretty much abandoned the opposition — Islamists, jihadists, beleaguered democrats and Syrian civilians — leaving Turkey to decide how it would clean up the mess.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby RocketMan » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:03 am

You speak of "irrational devotion" and yourself describe him as "messianic Gollum Assange" and "doo-doo head". I rest my case.

The irrationality rests with his opponents who apparently cannot write a single sentence about him without resorting to base insults, personality-based pseudo psychology babble and name-calling.

What did he publish?

Why did he seek asylum?

Why is the US seeking to lay its hands on him?

All the rest is just bullshit.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:25 pm

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So I guess this must be a talking point of the week? Stupid as you can both be when it comes to throwing kitchen sink sophistry at targets designated for you by the US national security state, I don't think it a coincidence that both you and SLAD are hitting upon this incredibly atrociously stupid and extremely unlikely, bizarre point simultaneously. I am disgusted at the lockstep. How can human beings sink so low?

If Wikileaks releases thousands of documents that no one else released, apparently, the asshole move of the week is to pick one such document -- remember, it was being kept secret by the state, and the only reason you can see this document is because Wikileaks published it! -- pick one such document, claim it is the most important, and claim, without a hint of shame, that Wikileaks actually "buried" it. They buried it, by publishing it. They buried it by publishing it online, in a searcheable database. Or, as per SLAD's more barefaced lie on her personal thread for "Kill Assange" propaganda, they "withheld" it. "Withheld" it is such a bizarre lie, as they PUBLISHED it (and are the only ones who did so), that Jerky goes with the more vague "buried." They "buried" this thing that you can find only because of them!

This is beneath the-gutter-low. Low low low. Disgusting. Shame on you. Not for the first time. You play Mr. Friendly, but you always come back to a move like this. Absolutely gross.

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Jerky » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:45 pm

Don't have a thrombo, Jack! You'll get yourself a time-out with gutter-punk attacks like that! Geez!
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby RocketMan » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:32 pm

This just trolling at this point.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Harvey » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:56 pm

RocketMan » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:32 pm wrote:This just trolling at this point.


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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Harvey » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:58 pm

JackRiddler » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:25 pm wrote:.

So I guess this must be a talking point of the week? Stupid as you can both be when it comes to throwing kitchen sink sophistry at targets designated for you by the US national security state, I don't think it a coincidence that both you and SLAD are hitting upon this incredibly atrociously stupid and extremely unlikely, bizarre point simultaneously. I am disgusted at the lockstep. How can human beings sink so low?

If Wikileaks releases thousands of documents that no one else released, apparently, the asshole move of the week is to pick one such document -- remember, it was being kept secret by the state, and the only reason you can see this document is because Wikileaks published it! -- pick one such document, claim it is the most important, and claim, without a hint of shame, that Wikileaks actually "buried" it. They buried it, by publishing it. They buried it by publishing it online, in a searcheable database. Or, as per SLAD's more barefaced lie on her personal thread for "Kill Assange" propaganda, they "withheld" it. "Withheld" it is such a bizarre lie, as they PUBLISHED it (and are the only ones who did so), that Jerky goes with the more vague "buried." They "buried" this thing that you can find only because of them!

This is beneath the-gutter-low. Low low low. Disgusting. Shame on you. Not for the first time. You play Mr. Friendly, but you always come back to a move like this. Absolutely gross.

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:38 pm

Jerky » Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:45 pm wrote:Don't have a thrombo, Jack! You'll get yourself a time-out with gutter-punk attacks like that! Geez!


I am fine. You are trolling. You rape the truth. You present the exact opposite, in a way that can only be witting and intentional, which makes you a liar. You do this in a way and at a time that serves an ongoing attack on fundamental human rights by the most powerful propaganda entities in the world. When called on it, you personalize. You defactualize. You caricature. In the case of Julian Assange, you dehumanize and celebrate torture and persecution. Then you act as if the deserved condemnation of your behavior must be a function of irrational anger. That's another one from the trolling book. I think this board will finally defend itself. The one who's heading for the ban is the ten-cent disinformation purveyor: you.

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:59 am

Jerky » 21 Apr 2019 18:45 wrote:Don't have a thrombo, Jack! You'll get yourself a time-out with gutter-punk attacks like that! Geez!


Explain your rationale for claiming Assange "buried" information that Wikileaks and only Wikileaks published in a searchable database online. Seriously, I want to here a rationale for your claim.in which you refrain from twisting your brain every which-way and upside down just to make sure that every fact taken in casts him as a doo-doo head.

So let's hear your RationalWiki rationale.
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Elvis » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:44 am

rational wiki... LOL
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby RocketMan » Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:51 am

Absolutely grotesque that this is allowed. Western liberal values have started their final death march...
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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:07 am

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This mountain of smears [against Assange] exists because instead of paying attention to the world-shaping dangers...which threaten to make it impossible to oppose the leaders of the US-centralized empire who are marching us towards either extinction or dystopia, people are babbling about Assange’s personality, or whether or not he cleaned up after his cat while at the embassy.

The flip side of this is people who fixate on Assange as a hero, which can of course help draw attention to his plight and therefore be of some benefit, but ultimately that’s also missing the forest for the trees. This is so very, very much bigger than Assange, and we need to oppose it for reasons that are far, far more significant than the individual characteristics of one man who, depending on what we’ve heard, we may or may not believe is a nice person.

Never lose sight of this: the intimidation of whistleblowers and leak publishers threatens to stop truth from informing the behaviors of our entire species, leaving only the whims of the most powerful to decide our fate. The most powerful people are those most dedicated to pursuing power, those sociopathic enough to step on anyone’s head and do whatever it takes to secure as much control as possible over as many humans as possible. That’s who we’re handing the steering wheel of our world to if we allow truth to be intimidated into silence.

And never lose sight of this, either: with the imprisonment and prosecution of Julian Assange, these same sociopathic oppressors have exposed themselves. They have ripped off the friendly Big Brother mask and exposed the dark infernal entities which squirm and hiss underneath. This sudden interest in the legal technicalities of bail protocol and journalistic source protection protocol happen to look exactly the same as prosecuting a journalist for publishing facts because that is exactly what is happening. Don’t ever let anyone gaslight you into believing otherwise, and don’t you dare miss this rare opportunity to point out to your fellow humans how our oppressors have revealed their true nature.




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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby liminalOyster » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:03 pm

Edward Snowden: Assange’s Arrest and the Mueller Report Show a ‘Two-Tiered System of Justice’
In this week's CYBER podcast, we sat down with Edward Snowden to talk about his life in Russia, Julian Assange, and press freedom.

When Edward Snowden was stranded in a Russian airport, before the government of Vladimir Putin granted him asylum, he turned to WikiLeaks and their lawyers for help. Since then, Snowden has inevitably been linked to WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange.

Naturally, when Snowden sat down with CYBER host Ben Makuch, we asked him what he thought about Assange’s case. For Snowden, the story about Assange’s arrest should focus more on Ecuador’s motivations, and the fact that Assange is being held to a different standard than president Donald Trump. The former NSA analyst mentioned the fact that Ecuador got $4.2 billion in funds from the International Monetary Fund in early March as a sign the country was getting closer to the West, and in turn more inclined to give up Assange.

“Journalists who have been covering the story haven’t really been looking at that, because Julian as an individual is such a tragically flawed figure,” Snowden said.

Snowden also criticized people who changed their minds about Assange after the 2016 election.

“A lot of Americans now hate Julian,” he said. “Even though the sort of people who are on the center to the left part of the spectrum had been singing his praises during the Bush administration, now they’re on the other side because of his unfortunate political choices in the 2016 elections.”

Yet, Snowden defended Assange’s journalism work in the lead up to the 2016 elections, arguing the leaked emails, which major media companies covered, showed that the Democratic Party tried to favor Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. That, Snowden said, “had profound public interest.”

As Motherboard reported last week, the Department of Justice says that it isn’t positive that Assange helped whistleblower Chelsea Manning crack a password hash in order to obtain cables related to the Iraq War, but that he’s being charged with that crime anyway. Snowden juxtaposed his treatment with that of Trump’s treatment in Robert Mueller’s report.

“Mueller says it didn’t actually result in obstruction because the people that Trump ordered to do this simply ignored him,” Snowden said. “The DOJ’s defense of not charging Trump is look he tried to commit a crime but he failed to actually do this. And at the same time they’re charging Julian Assange under precisely the opposite theory. Where they say ‘Look, Julian may not have actually cracked a password—we don’t have any evidence that he did, we’re not even going to try to prove that he did, we’re going to say that the agreement to try is enough.”

“So this is a real question of a two-tiered system of justice. Where if you’re the president and you try to commit a crime, you can skate,” he added. “Why is it that journalists are being held to a higher standard of behavior than the president of the United States?”

Finally, Snowden attacked the Department of Justice for charging Assange with conspiracy to crack a password, “a pretty low level infraction relative to the things Assange has been accused of in his life.”

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Re: The Wikileaks Question

Postby Jerky » Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:50 am

Two tiered system of justice? DUH!!!

Me getting banned before Jack, despite Jack engaging in FAR worse behavior than I? DUH!!!

This place having become a pathetic shadow of its former self thanks to the (most likely) engineered psy-op manipulation by literal spooks (yeah, I said it, lifelong Truther gatekeeper Jack), dupes, and paid agents of the New Fascist International(e)? the same bunch whose attempts at enforcing the Assange-ball-licking, RT-loving, absolutely fucking conspiritarded up-is-down-truth-is-lies Jimmy-Dore-isn't-mentally-challenged weltanschauung make the efforts of the PC crowd seem pale and insignificant by comparison?

FUCKIN' MEGA-DUH!!!

Farewell, dupes and dunces. You know who you are. You've succeeded in chasing off yet another participant who's been here since Day One.

I'd say I hope you wake up before it's too late, but it's probably already too late.

Sincerely,
yer old pal Jerky
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