Who Were the Witches? – Patriarchal Terror & Capitalism

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Who Were the Witches? – Patriarchal Terror & Capitalism

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Who Were the Witches? – Patriarchal Terror and the Creation of Capitalism
Alex Knight
November 5, 2009


This Halloween season, there is no book I could recommend more highly than Silvia Federici’s brilliant Caliban and the Witch: Women, the Body, and Primitive Accumulation (Autonomedia 2004), which tells the dark saga of the Witch Hunt that consumed Europe for more than 200 years. In uncovering this forgotten history, Federici exposes the origins of capitalism in the heightened oppression of workers (represented by Shakespeare’s character Caliban), and most strikingly, in the brutal subjugation of women. She also brings to light the enormous and colorful European peasant movements that fought against the injustices of their time, connecting their defeat to the imposition of a new patriarchal order that divided male from female workers. Today, as more and more people question the usefulness of a capitalist system that has thrown the world into crisis, Caliban and the Witch stands out as essential reading for unmasking the shocking violence and inequality that capitalism has relied upon from its very creation.

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Who Were the Witches?

Parents putting a pointed hat on their young son or daughter before Trick-or-Treating might never pause to wonder this question, seeing witches as just another cartoonish Halloween icon like Frankenstein’s monster or Dracula. But deep within our ritual lies a hidden history that can tell us important truths about our world, as the legacy of past events continues to affect us 500 years later. In this book, Silvia Federici takes us back in time to show how the mysterious figure of the witch is key to understanding the creation of capitalism, the profit-motivated economic system that now reigns over the entire planet.

During the 15th – 17th centuries the fear of witches was ever-present in Europe and Colonial America, so much so that if a woman was accused of witchcraft she could face the cruellest of torture until confession was given, or even be executed based on suspicion alone. There was often no evidence whatsoever. The author recounts, “for more than two centuries, in several European countries, hundreds of thousands of women were tried, tortured, burned alive or hanged, accused of having sold body and soul to the devil and, by magical means, murdered scores of children, sucked their blood, made potions with their flesh, caused the death of their neighbors, destroyed cattle and crops, raised storms, and performed many other abominations” (169).

In other words, just about anything bad that might or might not have happened was blamed on witches during that time. So where did this tidal wave of hysteria come from that took the lives so many poor women, most of whom had almost certainly never flown on broomsticks or stirred eye-of-newt into large black cauldrons?

Caliban underscores that the persecution of witches was not just some error of ignorant peasants, but in fact the deliberate policy of Church and State, the very ruling class of society. To put this in perspective, today witchcraft would be a far-fetched cause for alarm, but the fear of hidden terrorists who could strike at any moment because they “hate our freedom” is widespread. Not surprising, since politicians and the media have been drilling this frightening message into people’s heads for years, even though terrorism is a much less likely cause of death than, say, lack of health care.1 And just as the panic over terrorism has enabled today’s powers-that-be to attempt to remake the Middle East, this book makes the case that the powers-that-were of Medieval Europe exploited or invented the fear of witches to remake European society towards a social paradigm that met their interests.

Interestingly, a major component of both of these crusades was the use of so-called “shock and awe” tactics to astound the population with “spectacular displays of force,” which helped to soften up resistance to drastic or unpopular reforms.2 In the case of the Witch Hunt, shock therapy was applied through the witch burnings – spectacles of such stupefying violence that they paralyzed whole villages and regions into accepting fundamental restructuring of medieval society.3 Federici describes a typical witch burning as, “an important public event, which all the members of the community had to attend, including the children of the witches, especially their daughters who, in some cases, would be whipped in front of the stake on which they could see their mother burning alive” (186).
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The witch burning was the medieval version of "Shock and Awe"


The book argues that these gruesome executions not only punished “witches” but graphically demonstrated the repercussions for any kind of disobedience to the clergy or nobility. In particular, the witch burnings were meant to terrify women into accepting “a new patriarchal order where women’s bodies, their labor, their sexual and reproductive powers were placed under the control of the state and transformed into economic resources” (170).

Federici puts forward that up until the 16th century, though living in a sexist society, European women retained significant economic independence from men that they typically do not under capitalism, where gender roles are more distinguished. “If we also take into account that in medieval society collective relations prevailed over familial ones, and most of the tasks that female serfs performed (washing, spinning, harvesting, and tending to animals on the commons) were done in cooperation with other women, we then realize… [this] was a source of power and protection for women. It was the basis for an intense female sociality and solidarity that enabled women to stand up to men.”

The Witch Hunt initiated a period where women were forced to become what she calls “servants of the male work force” (115) – excluded from receiving a wage, they were confined to the unpaid labor of raising children, caring for the elderly and sick, nurturing their husbands or partners, and maintaining the home. In Federici’s words, this was the “housewifization of women,” the reduction to a second-class status where women became totally dependent on the income of men (27).

The author goes on to show how female sexuality, which was seen as a source of women’s potential power over men, became an object of suspicion and came under sharp attack by the authorities. This assault manifested in new laws that took away women’s control over the reproductive process, such as the banning of birth control measures, the replacement of midwives with male doctors, and the outlawing of abortion and infanticide.4 Federici calls it an attempt to turn the female body into “a machine for the reproduction of labor,” such that women’s only purpose in life was supposedly to produce children (144).

But we also learn that this was just one component of a broader move by Church and State to ban all forms of sexuality that were considered “non-productive.” For example, “homosexuality, sex between young and old, sex between people of different classes, anal coitus, coitus from behind, nudity, and dances. Also proscribed was the public, collective sexuality that had prevailed in the Middle Ages, as in the Spring festivals of pagan origins that, in the 16th-century, were still celebrated all over Europe” (194). To this end, the Witch Hunt targeted not only female sexuality but homosexuality and gender non-conformity as well, helping to craft the patriarchal sexual boundaries that define our society to this day.

Capitalism - Born in Flames

What separates Caliban from other works exploring the “witch” phenomenon is that this book puts the persecution of witches into the context of the development of capitalism. For Silvia Federici, it’s no accident that “the witch-hunt occurred simultaneously with the colonization and extermination of the populations of the New World, the English enclosures, [or] the beginning of the slave trade” (164). She instructs that all of these seemingly unrelated tragedies were initiated by the same European ruling elite at the very moment that capitalism was in formation, the late 15th through 17th centuries. Contrary to “laissez-faire” orthodoxy which holds that capitalism functions best without state intervention, Federici posits that it was precisely the state violence of these campaigns that laid the foundation for capitalist economics.

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A new era was forged in the flames of the Witch Hunt

Thankfully for the reader, who may not be very familiar with the history of this era, Federici outlines these events in clear and accessible language. She focuses on the Land Enclosures in particular because their significance has been largely lost in time.

Many of us will not remember that during Europe’s Middle Ages, before the Enclosures, even the lowliest of serfs had their own plot of land with which they could use for just about any purpose. Federici adds, “With the use of land also came the use of the ‘commons’ – meadows, forests, lakes, wild pastures – that provided crucial resources for the peasant economy (wood for fuel, timber for building, fishponds, grazing grounds for animals) and fostered community cohesion and cooperation” (24). This access to land acted as a buffer, providing security for peasants who otherwise were mostly subject to the whim of their “Lord.” Not only could they grow their own food, or hunt in the relatively plentiful forests which were still standing in that era, but connection to the commons also gave peasants territory with which to organize resistance movements and alternative economies outside the control of their masters.

The Enclosures were a process by which this land was taken away – closed off by the State and typically handed over to entrepreneurs to pursue a profit in sheep or cow herding, or large-scale agriculture. Instead of being used for subsistence as it had been, the land’s bounty was sold away to fledgling national and international markets. A new class of profit-motivated landowners emerged, known as “gentry,” but the underside of this development was the trauma experienced by the evicted peasants. In the author’s words, “As soon as they lost access to land, all workers were plunged into a dependence unknown in medieval times, as their landless condition gave employers the power to cut their pay and lengthen the working-day” (72).

For Federici, then, the chief creation of the Enclosures was a property-less, landless working class, a “proletariat” who were left with little option but to work for a wage in order to survive; wage labor being one of the defining features of capitalism.

Cut off from their traditional soil, many communities scattered across the countryside to find new homesteads. But the State countered with the so-called “Bloody Laws”, which made it legal to capture wandering “vagabonds” and force them to work for a wage, or put them to death. Federici reveals the result: “What followed was the absolute impoverishment of the European working class… Evidence is the change that occurred in the workers’ diets. Meat disappeared from their tables, except for a few scraps of lard, and so did beer and wine, salt and olive oil” (77). Although European workers typically labored for longer hours under their new capitalist employers, living standards were reduced sharply throughout the 16th century, and it wasn’t until the middle of the 19th century that earnings returned to the level they had been before the Enclosures.5

According to Federici, the witch hunts played a key role in facilitating this process of impoverishment by driving a sexist wedge into the working class that “undermined class solidarity,” making it more difficult for communities to resist displacement from their land (48). While women were faced with the threat of horrific torture and death if they did not conform to new submissive gender roles, men were in effect bribed with the promise of obedient wives and new access to women’s bodies. The author cites that “Another aspect of the divisive sexual politics to diffuse workers’ protest was the institutionalization of prostitution, implemented through the opening of municipal brothels soon proliferating throughout Europe” (49). And in addition to prostitution, a legalization of sexual violence provided further sanction for the exploitation of women’s bodies. She explains, “In France, the municipal authorities practically decriminalized rape, provided the victims were women of the lower class” (47). This initiated what Federici calls a “virtual rape movement,” making it unsafe for women to even leave their homes.

The witch trials were the final assault, which all but obliterated the integrity of peasant communities by fostering mutual suspicion and fear. Amidst deteriorating conditions, neighbors were encouraged to turn against one another, so that any insult or annoyance became grounds for an accusation of witchcraft. As the terror spread, a new era was forged in the flames of the witch burnings. Surveying the damage, Silvia Federici concludes that “the persecution of the witches, in Europe as in the New World, was as important as colonization and the expropriation of the European peasantry from its land were for the development of capitalism” (12).

A Forgotten Revolution

Federici maintains that it didn’t have to turn out this way. “Capitalism was not the only possible response to the crisis of feudal power. Throughout Europe, vast communalistic social movements and rebellions against feudalism had offered the promise of a new egalitarian society built on social equality and cooperation” (61).

Caliban‘s most inspiring chapters make visible an enormous continent-wide series of poor people’s movements that nearly toppled Church and State at the end of the Middle Ages. These peasant movements of the 13th – 16th centuries were often labelled “heretical” for challenging the religious power of the Vatican, but as the book details they aimed for a much broader transformation of feudal society. The so-called “heretics” often “denounced social hierarchies, private property and the accumulation of wealth, and disseminated among the people a new, revolutionary conception of society that, for the first time in the Middle Ages, redefined every aspect of daily life (work, property, sexual reproduction, and the position of women), posing the question of emancipation in truly universal terms” (33).

Silvia Federici shows us how the heretical movements took many forms, from the vegetarian and anti-war Cathars of southern France to the communistic and anti-nobility Taborites of Bohemia, but were united in the call for the elimination of social inequality. Many put forth the argument that it was anti-Christian for the clergy and nobility to live in opulence while so many suffered from lack of adequate food, housing or medical attention.
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The vegetarian and anti-war Cathars were rounded up by the Crusaders.

Another common thread weaving the European peasant movements together was the leadership of women. Federici describes that, “[Heretical women] had the same rights as men, and could enjoy a social life and mobility that nowhere else was available to them in the Middle Ages… Not surprisingly, women are present in the history of heresy as in no other aspect of medieval life.” (38). Some heretical sects, like the Cathars, discouraged marriage and emphasized birth control – advocating a sexual liberation which directly challenged the Church’s moral authority.

The gender politics of peasant movements proved to be a strength, and they attracted a wide following that undercut the power of a feudal system which was already in crisis. Federici explains how the movements became increasingly revolutionary as they grew in size. “In the course of this process, the political horizon and the organizational dimensions of the peasant and artisan struggle broadened. Entire regions revolted, forming assemblies and recruiting armies. At times, the peasants organized in bands, attacking the castles of the lords, and destroying the archives where the written marks of their servitude were kept” (45).

What started as a religious movement became increasingly revolutionary. For example, in the 1420s and 30s, the Taborites fought to liberate all of Bohemia, beating back several Crusades of 100,000+ men organized by the Vatican (54-55). The uprisings became contagious all across Europe, so much so that in the crucial period of 1350-1500, unprecedented concessions were made including the doubling of wages, reduction in prices and rents, and a shorter working day. In the words of Silvia Federici, “the feudal economy was doomed” (62).

The author documents that the initial reaction by elites was to institute the “Holy Inquisition,” a brutal campaign of state repression that included torturing and even burning heretics to death. But as time went on, ruling class strategy shifted from targeting heretics in general to specifically targeting female community leaders. The Inquisition morphed into the Witch Hunt.

Soon, simple meetings of peasant women were stigmatized as possible “Sabbats,” where women were supposedly seduced by the devil to become witches, but as Federici clarifies, it was the rebellious politics and non-conforming gender relations of such gatherings which were demonized (177). Strong, defiant women were murdered by the tens of thousands, and along with them the Witch Hunt also destroyed “a whole world of female practices, collective relations, and systems of knowledge that had been the foundation of women’s power in pre-capitalist Europe, and the condition for their resistance in the struggle against feudalism” (103).

For elite European nobles and clergy, the Witch Hunt succeeded in stifling a working class revolution that had increasingly threatened their rule. Even more, Silvia Federici puts forward that the Witch Hunt facilitated the rise of a new, capitalist social paradigm – based on large-scale economic production for profit and the displacement of peasants from their lands into the burgeoning urban workforce. In time, this capitalist system would dominate all of Europe and be dispersed through conquistadors’ “guns, germs and steel” to every corner of the globe, destroying countless ancient civilizations and cultures in the process.6 Federici’s analysis is that, “Capitalism was the counter-revolution that destroyed the possibilities that had emerged from the anti-feudal struggle – possibilities which, if realized, might have spared us the immense destruction of lives and the environment that has marked the advance of capitalist relations worldwide” (22). How might things be different if the forgotten revolution had won?

Conclusion - Rediscovering the Magic of Truth-Telling


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Malalai Joya speaking at a girls school in Farah province, Afghanistan

“Day by day, it’s worse for my people, especially for the women. And that’s why, because of all of these main reasons, we say this is the mockery of democracy and mockery of War on Terror.” – Malalai Joya, Afghan democracy activist, 2009

Caliban and the Witch is a book that challenges many important myths about the world we live in. First and foremost among these is the widely-held belief that capitalism, though perhaps flawed in its current form, started out as a “progressive” development that liberated workers and improved the conditions of women, people of color and other oppressed groups. Silvia Federici has done impressive work to take us back to the very foundations of the capitalist system in late-medieval Europe to uncover a secret history of land dispossession and impoverishment, gender and sexual terror, and brutal colonization of non-Europeans. This terrible legacy leads her to the profound conclusion that the system is “necessarily committed to racism and sexism” (17).

Most strongly, she writes, “It is impossible to associate capitalism with any form of liberation or attribute the longevity of the system to its capacity to satisfy human needs. If capitalism has been able to reproduce itself it is only because of the web of inequalities that it has built into the body of the world proletariat, and because of its capacity to globalize exploitation. This process is still unfolding under our eyes, as it has for the last 500 years” (17).

It’s been said that we can measure a society by how it treats its women. This book provides compelling documentation to suggest that capitalism is and has always been a male dominated system, which reduces opportunities and security for women as well as marginalizing those who don’t fit within narrow gender boundaries. In particular, Silvia Federici uses the story of the Witch Hunt to illuminate the inner workings of capitalism to show the restraining, silencing, and demonizing of female sexual power built into it.7 Responding to our question that started this essay, she writes, “The witch was not only the midwife, the woman who avoided maternity, or the beggar who eked out a living by stealing some wood or butter from her neighbors. She was also the loose, promiscuous woman – the prostitute or adulteress, and generally, the woman who exercised her sexuality outside the bonds of marriage and procreation… The witch was also the rebel woman who talked back, argued, swore, and did not cry under torture” (184).

In other words, the witches were those women who in one way or another resisted the establishment of an unjust social order – the mechanical exploitation of capitalism. The witches represented a whole world that Europe’s new masters were anxious to destroy: a world with strong female leadership, a world rooted in local communities and knowledge, a world alive with magical possibilities, a world in revolt.

We need not despair for the world that has been lost. Indeed, it is still with us today in the struggles of people everywhere organizing for justice. Today from Afghanistan we can hear the clarion voice of Malalai Joya, a courageous woman who was expelled from the Afghan parliament in 2007 for speaking out against the U.S.-installed warlords who now rule her country. She appeared recently on Democracy Now! saying, “Now my people are sandwiched between two powerful enemies: from the sky, occupation forces bombing and killing innocent civilians… [and] on the ground, Taliban and these warlords together continue to deliver fascism against our people.”8

Joya risks her life to make these comments, but her words carry the sparkling truth that is so necessary to end the insanity of war and occupation in the Middle East. Those who are summoned to action by her call do so in the immortal spirit of the “heretics” and “witches” who resisted capitalism and feudalism before it, carrying forward a movement that is wide as the Earth and old as time.

Notes

1 – Harvard University researchers released a study on Sept. 17, 2009 showing that approximately 45,000 Americans die unnecessarily from lack of medical coverage every year, unfortunately many times more than the number killed in the September 11 terrorist attacks. See this article for more on the Harvard study: http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNe ... W520090917

2 – “Shock and Awe”, Wikipedia. Online at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe. Accessed Nov. 2, 2009.

3 – This “shock therapy” strategy is examined with detailed case studies by Naomi Klein in the excellent The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism. Metropolitan Books 2007. For example she offers that the US-led devastation of Iraq’s social infrastructure, including destruction of hospitals, schools, and food and water systems traumatized the Iraqi people such that they could not mobilize to prevent the highly unpopular privatization of the country’s oil wealth.

4 – for more on the Witch Hunt’s effect on the male domination of reproduction and medicine, see Barbara Ehrenreich’s Witches, Midwives and Nurses: A History of Women Healers, The Feminist Press at CUNY 1972, pamphlet.

5 – “The high point of wages was immediately preceding the ‘long’ sixteenth century [roughly 1450], and the low point was at its end [roughly 1650]. The drop during the sixteenth century was immense.” Wallerstein, Immanuel. The Modern World-System. Capitalist Agriculture and the Origins of the European World-Economy in the Sixteenth Century. New York: Academic Press, 1974. pg. 80.

6 – see Guns, Germs and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies, W.W. Norton Press 2005. Jared Diamond’s study of the rise of Europe focuses more on ecology than patriarchy, but is nonetheless useful for exposing the carnage of the colonization process.

7 – for a brilliant collection of insights into the many ways female sexuality is still under attack, see Friedman, Jaclyn & Jessica Valenti. Yes Means Yes! Visions of Female Sexual Power and A World Without Rape. Seal Press 2008. My review of this book can also be found here: http://endofcapitalism.com/2009/05/17/r ... hout-rape/

8 – Democracy Now! October 28, 2009 broadcast. “A Woman Among Warlords: Afghan Democracy Activist Malalai Joya Defies Threats to Challenge US Occupation, Local Warlords.” Online at http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/28/ ... _democracy
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Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:15 pm

Must rid the world of the Goddess tradition
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Postby Plutonia » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:16 pm

Also of interest: The Burning Times, the 1990 Canadian documentary also pairs the witch burnings with the Enclosure agenda. Ahead of it's time, the film is not flawless, but still worth seeing.

In full here: http://www.nfb.ca/film/burning_times/
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Postby 82_28 » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:59 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:Must rid the world of the Goddess tradition


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Postby Stephen Morgan » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:12 pm

Plutonia wrote:Also of interest: The Burning Times, the 1990 Canadian documentary also pairs the witch burnings with the Enclosure agenda. Ahead of it's time, the film is not flawless, but still worth seeing.

In full here: http://www.nfb.ca/film/burning_times/


In "the film is not flawless" we may have a nominee for understatement of the decade. It inflates the number of witch trials my a factor of 100, is driven by talking heads who are uniformly spouting deluded religious dogma, and bases its arguments on misrepresentation of history. That and lots of angry declamation. This film is somewhat infamous, in fact. Like Leni Reifenstal's Triumph of the Will, laughable as history or cinema or entertainment but indicative of the social deviance, and deviants, of the day.

And the witches, obviously, were a malicious and murderous cult with no links at all to so-called "goddess worship", and I have no doubt they really existed and believed themselves to have supernatural powers, or access to the powers possessed by familiar spirits. I have no doubt that the Templars were guilty and the Joan of Arc was a witch too. In England Templars weren't tortured or co-erced but confessed in droves to their devilry. Joan of Arc's closest associate was the Marechal du Retz, Gilles de Rais, whatever you want to call him. The one whose castle turned out to have a well stuffed with the bodies of dozens of children he had personally tortured to death, for which I refer you to Sabine Baring-Gould's Book of Were-Wolves. Again, confessions without torture by his associates, who went to their deaths repentant.

Of course I'm against the death penalty, but if you think the witches the pre-Christian Roman's feared, those the medieval priests feared and those who perform their rituals before the giant plastic moloch idol at Bohemian grove are different people, you are ignorant. And if you think they're a bunch of friendly nature-loving wiccans you're a fool.
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:45 pm

We had our last trial, and conviction, under the English witchcraft laws in 1944. The relationship between witchcraft and political subversion (opposition to an ongoing war, or support of the enemy) was quite explicit. She (Helen Duncan) was only charged with deceit and practicing fraudulent witchcraft for monetary gain, but it's still an interesting footnote. The troubled relationship between magic and the state in time of war:

During World War II, in November 1941, Duncan held a séance in Portsmouth at which she indicated knowledge that HMS Barham had been sunk. Because this fact was only revealed, in strict confidence, to the relatives of casualties, and not announced to the public until late January 1942, the Navy started to take an interest in her activities. Two lieutenants were among her audience at a séance on 14 January 1944 and this was followed up on 19 January, when police arrested her at another séance as a white-shrouded manifestation appeared.[2][4]

This proved to be Duncan herself, in a white cloth which she attempted to conceal when discovered, and she was arrested.[5] She was also found to be in possession of a mocked-up HMS Barham hat-band.[6] This apparently related to an alleged manifestation of the spirit of a dead sailor on HMS Barham, although Duncan appeared unaware that after 1939 sailors did not wear hat-bands identifying their ship.[7]

She was initially arrested under section 4 of the Vagrancy Act 1824, a minor offence tried by magistrates. However, the authorities regarded the case as more serious, and eventually discovered section 4 of the Witchcraft Act 1735, covering fraudulent "spiritual" activity, which was triable before a jury. Charged alongside her for conspiracy to contravene this Act were Ernest and Elizabeth Homer, who operated the Psychic centre in Portsmouth, and Frances Brown, who was Duncan's agent who went with her to set up séances. There were seven counts in total, two of conspiracy to contravene the Witchcraft Act, two of obtaining money by false pretences, and three of public mischief (a common law offence).


"The prosecution may be explained by the mood of suspicion prevailing at the time: the authorities were afraid that she could continue to reveal classified information, whatever her source was.[8] There were also concerns that she was exploiting the recently bereaved, as the Recorder noted when passing sentence.[9]"

Duncan's trial for fraudulent witchcraft was a minor cause célèbre in wartime London. A number of prominent people, among them Alfred Dodd, an historian and senior Freemason, testified they were convinced she was authentic. Duncan was, however, barred by the judge from demonstrating her alleged powers as part of her defence against being fraudulent. The jury brought in a guilty verdict on count one, and the judge then discharged them from giving verdicts on the other counts, as he held that they were alternative offences for which Duncan might have been convicted had the jury acquitted her on the first count. Duncan was imprisoned for nine months. After the verdict, Winston Churchill wrote a memo to Home Secretary Herbert Morrison, complaining about the misuse of court resources on the "obsolete tomfoolery" of the charge.[10]"


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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:55 pm

Not a mention of the Malleus Maleficarum? Shame upon this thread.

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Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:07 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:And the witches, obviously, were a malicious and murderous cult with no links at all to so-called "goddess worship", and I have no doubt they really existed and believed themselves to have supernatural powers, or access to the powers possessed by familiar spirits.


I've met a couple of men who truly HATE women.. I mean they just despise all women as if all women were one being, attached together, acting in harmony against them. You seem like one of those guys.
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Postby Project Willow » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:12 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:I've met a couple of men who truly HATE women.. I mean they just despise all women as if all women were one being, attached together, acting in harmony against them. You seem like one of those guys.


Very astute observation. I've often wondered and never received an answer as to why blatant hatred of women is tolerated at RI.
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Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:50 am

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:We had our last trial, and conviction, under the English witchcraft laws in 1944. The relationship between witchcraft and political subversion (opposition to an ongoing war, or support of the enemy) was quite explicit. She (Helen Duncan) was only charged with deceit and practicing fraudulent witchcraft for monetary gain, but it's still an interesting footnote.


Fraudulent mediumship is still illegal. Should be more prosecutions for it, as there are many fraudulent mediums about exploiting the vulnerable for financial gain. That's not witchcraft.

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Stephen Morgan wrote:And the witches, obviously, were a malicious and murderous cult with no links at all to so-called "goddess worship", and I have no doubt they really existed and believed themselves to have supernatural powers, or access to the powers possessed by familiar spirits.


I've met a couple of men who truly HATE women.. I mean they just despise all women as if all women were one being, attached together, acting in harmony against them. You seem like one of those guys.


A totally illogical response. What is it exactly that makes you think I hate women, out of curiosity? The fact that I know enough about history to see when a film is made by idiots or liars? The fact that I don't like murderous cults? I mean, fuck it, the specific instances of murderous cults I gave, the most prominent of the evil witches in my view, were the Templars and du Retz, du Retz wasn't a woman and the Templars had thousands of members of whom not a single one was female, indeed most of the witches leaders were men. Obviously there were female witches too, especially in the lower ranks, and they made up a small majority of the small number tried for witchcraft, although men made up a large majority in those tried for the related crime of heresy, many of which were effectively witchcraft trials.

In short none of my statements contained any hatred, any statement about women or any individual woman, or any indication of conflating groups and individuals, which is more than can be said for yours.

If I may join in the game of groundless insults, I believe you to molest horses as a familial passtime.
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Re: Who Were the Witches? – Patriarchal Terror & Capitalism

Postby Canadian_watcher » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:37 am

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Canadian_watcher wrote:
Stephen Morgan wrote:And the witches, obviously, were a malicious and murderous cult with no links at all to so-called "goddess worship", and I have no doubt they really existed and believed themselves to have supernatural powers, or access to the powers possessed by familiar spirits.


I've met a couple of men who truly HATE women.. I mean they just despise all women as if all women were one being, attached together, acting in harmony against them. You seem like one of those guys.


A totally illogical response. What is it exactly that makes you think I hate women, out of curiosity? The fact that I know enough about history to see when a film is made by idiots or liars? The fact that I don't like murderous cults? I mean, fuck it, the specific instances of murderous cults I gave, the most prominent of the evil witches in my view, were the Templars and du Retz, du Retz wasn't a woman and the Templars had thousands of members of whom not a single one was female, indeed most of the witches leaders were men. Obviously there were female witches too, especially in the lower ranks, and they made up a small majority of the small number tried for witchcraft, although men made up a large majority in those tried for the related crime of heresy, many of which were effectively witchcraft trials.

In short none of my statements contained any hatred, any statement about women or any individual woman, or any indication of conflating groups and individuals, which is more than can be said for yours.

If I may join in the game of groundless insults, I believe you to molest horses as a familial passtime.


The OP was a thoughtful & moving article about the usurpation of women's power by authorities that sought to vilify them using that which gave them power in the first place. For their trick, they cast women as witches. In the process of their ruse, the ruling elite of the Church and State effectively tore apart the solidarity of the working and peasant classes and devastated both women and men. Your response to that was what is quoted above. Here it is again:

Stephen Morgan wrote: And the witches, obviously, were a malicious and murderous cult with no links at all to so-called "goddess worship", and I have no doubt they really existed and believed themselves to have supernatural powers, or access to the powers possessed by familiar spirits.


and you don't think this makes you sound like someone who has gone overboard in their anger towards an entire gender of people? In that quote your response to the OP can ONLY be read to mean that all the women that were tried as witches were, in fact, witches. And you sound quite satisfied that witch-burnings happened and one is left with the impression that you would have aspired to become Chief Witch Burner had you lived during that time.

As to the rest of your point, claiming that you actually saved your harshest words for the men involved in 'leading' the witches ... well, naturally! You're too stubborn in your disgust to admit, even in your fantasy world, that women might have come up with anything themselves.
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Re: Who Were the Witches? – Patriarchal Terror & Capitalism

Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:01 am

Canadian_watcher wrote:The OP was a thoughtful & moving article about the usurpation of women's power by authorities that sought to vilify them using that which gave them power in the first place.


Mate, the OP was bullshit. It inflates the number of witch trials well beyond the highest reputable number, presents burning as an integral part of the phenomenon (the punishment in England was hanging, heretics and treasoners were a different matter, only two witches were burned in England, both for other crimes), claims the confessions were given under torture, which was rarely the case in England at least. It claims the sixteenth century was the start of female servitude, despite being the century in which serfdom came to an end, which most people would say was a good thing. It claims women did pretty much everything as serfs, specifically all the farming, tending to animals, making of cloth, whereas tending to animals was mostly male work, as was ploughing, as was tailoring but not spinning and so on. It claims women were forced into a "housewifization" in the sixteenth century, bizarrely failing to notice that pretty much everyone worked entirely from home, that women had been responsible for housework before that and that women continued to receive wages thereafter for working in service and more often than not were joint labourers with smiths and other skilled tradesmen who one would hardly expect to earn a wage when they were co-proprietrices. Claims that the sixteenth century Church rebranded sex as all about babies, despite being dominate in its latter part by a Queen known so widely as the virgin that Virginia was named after her, and who was succeeded by a flamboyant homosexual. Homosexuality had, of course, been illegal for centuries. Claims birth control measures, which didn't exist, were banned. Claims doctors replaced midwives about three hundred years before it started to happen, not that either were at all competent back then. Claims there was "no evidence" for witchcraft.

You might think I'm focusing too much on England, the virgin queen, the lack of burnings and so on, but we're talking about the rise of capitalism, so I'm talking about the country where it arose.

The whole article is bullshit from start to finish.

Also, it doesn't mention "the usurpation of women's power by authorities that sought to vilify them using that which gave them power in the first place", whatever that might mean.

For their trick, they cast women as witches.


Slight problem, in that women tried for witchcraft outnumbered men by less than 3 to one, while men tried for heresy, a much more common crime which is also lauded by the OP, outnumbered women by rather more. In other words, the people being killed for witchcraft and heresy combined were mostly men.

The heretics, who were actually burned, like Tyndale burned in a barrel for trying to translate the Bible, were almost all men. The idea that burning witches was a shock and awe tactic to subjugate women therefore relies on women being more subjugated by two burnings than men were by hundreds spread over hundreds of years.

In the process of their ruse, the ruling elite of the Church and State effectively tore apart the solidarity of the working and peasant classes and devastated both women and men.


In the sixteenth century they had been doing that for centuries, since at least before 1066, and they would continue to do it towards the present day. The witch trials were a minor footnote at most, a few hundred people killed over several centuries, barely enough to make a ripple. Now if you were talking about Peterloo, or St George's Hill, or the suppression of the peasant's revolt I'd take you seriously about the suppression of the workers. Even the Pilgrimage of Grace. But not the witch trials. Less people killed than in a medium-sized battle, spread over centuries, of no particular sex or race or nationality or social class. No chance of a defining psychological impact.

Your response to that was what is quoted above. Here it is again:

Stephen Morgan wrote: And the witches, obviously, were a malicious and murderous cult with no links at all to so-called "goddess worship", and I have no doubt they really existed and believed themselves to have supernatural powers, or access to the powers possessed by familiar spirits.


and you don't think this makes you sound like someone who has gone overboard in their anger towards an entire gender of people?


If we assume that the witches were proto-feminists martyred for daring to oppose the patriarchal ways of the church and state, I could maybe see where you're coming from. But I'm looking at historical documents contemporary with the events, mothers lamenting their children raped and murdered by du Retz, for example, whereas you are listening to a propagandist playing on your historical ignorance. So I say "child killing cultists are bad" you here "women are bad". But make no mistake, your own ignorance is to blame.

In that quote your response to the OP can ONLY be read to mean that all the women that were tried as witches were, in fact, witches.


Murderers and rapists are bad too, that don't mean all the accused are guilty. Not even that all the convicted are guilty, although the witch-trials are full of propaganda by historians claiming it was all co-erced and so on. Even du Retz's servant, whose un-coerced confession led to his own death. There were, in fact, many witch trials that led to aquittals. Those that ended in convictions, by juries let us not forget, I will assume to be legitimate although no doubt at least some innocents were convicted. In other words, the same as with a modern system. Those convicted can be assumed to be guilty unless evidence of their innocence is presented. Vice versa for the aquitted.

And you sound quite satisfied that witch-burnings happened and one is left with the impression that you would have aspired to become Chief Witch Burner had you lived during that time.


I'd probably have been being burned, although as a heretic rather than a witch. As I say, I'm not in favour of the death penalty, but some of those witches had to be stopped, the best documented of which is obviously du Retz. Plenty of others weren't sentenced to death, and those that were killed were never burned for witchcraft (two English witches were burned for other crimes, of course). Put these facts together and I make an unlikely Chief Witch Burner.

As to the rest of your point, claiming that you actually saved your harshest words for the men involved in 'leading' the witches ... well, naturally! You're too stubborn in your disgust to admit, even in your fantasy world, that women might have come up with anything themselves.


I don't know who came up with witchcraft, I refer you to Lewis Spence's The Occult Origins of the Present War for background information. Could have been women. Could have been discarnate entities in communion with humans.

But the men I cited were the leading witches, not "leading the witches". No hierarchical structure was implied. The Templars and du Retz were leading in that they were, and today are, prominent representatives of those exposed as purveyors of murderous cultism. The cult of Madame du Montespan would also qualify, but didn't spring to mind at the time. Still, I hope it provides you with the female leading witch which you seek from me. Joan of Arc, too. A nice mix of the sexes for you, du Retz and de Molay on the one hand, d'Arc and du Montespan on the distaff side.
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Re: Who Were the Witches? – Patriarchal Terror & Capitalism

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:09 am

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Re: Who Were the Witches? – Patriarchal Terror & Capitalism

Postby crikkett » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:40 am

Canadian_watcher wrote:
The OP was a thoughtful & moving article about the usurpation of women's power by authorities that sought to vilify them using that which gave them power in the first place. For their trick, they cast women as witches. In the process of their ruse, the ruling elite of the Church and State effectively tore apart the solidarity of the working and peasant classes and devastated both women and men. Your response to that was what is quoted above. Here it is again:

Stephen Morgan wrote: And the witches, obviously, were a malicious and murderous cult with no links at all to so-called "goddess worship", and I have no doubt they really existed and believed themselves to have supernatural powers, or access to the powers possessed by familiar spirits.


and you don't think this makes you sound like someone who has gone overboard in their anger towards an entire gender of people? In that quote your response to the OP can ONLY be read to mean that all the women that were tried as witches were, in fact, witches. And you sound quite satisfied that witch-burnings happened and one is left with the impression that you would have aspired to become Chief Witch Burner had you lived during that time.

As to the rest of your point, claiming that you actually saved your harshest words for the men involved in 'leading' the witches ... well, naturally! You're too stubborn in your disgust to admit, even in your fantasy world, that women might have come up with anything themselves.


While I don't remember always agreeing with Stephen, and haven't scrutinized his writing in terms of what hidden or blatant misogyny it may or may not contain, what struck me most about his assertion that 'witches were of course murderous cult w/o involvement in goddess worship' is that he didn't provide us with a supporting link.

Canadian Watcher may be putting some words into poor Stephen's mouth. And I'm not just saying that because she's done it before.
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Re: Who Were the Witches? – Patriarchal Terror & Capitalism

Postby Canadian_watcher » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:10 pm

crikkett wrote:
Canadian Watcher may be putting some words into poor Stephen's mouth. And I'm not just saying that because she's done it before.


yes poor Stephen, and poor you. Look at you both feeling defensive about your positions.
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