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What Happened to John Denver?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:11 am
by 82_28
All Aboard...for Dreamland.
This just in...in Part II of "The strange case of Steve Fossett" I alluded to singer John Denver, and his connection to The Flying "M" Ranch...

from the N.Y. Times article:

"A 15-minute video about the property that is played in the compound’s movie theater features the singer John Denver — an amateur pilot who died in 1997 while flying an experimental plane — talking about a song he wrote while staying at the Flying-M, according to Di Freeze, a writer based in Denver and a 2003 visitor to the ranch. Ms. Freeze, editor in chief of a chain of 10 aviation magazines, could not recall which song it was."

Contemplate the title of his 1985 album (below)...He died in a plane "crash" Oct. 12th ,1997 while piloting an experimental aircraft created by none other than Burt Rutan.


"Dreamland" aka Area 51

these points from wikipedia speak volumes to me:
John Denver (December 31, 1943 – October 12, 1997), born Henry John Deutschendorf, Jr., was an American folk singer-songwriter and folk rock musician who was one of the most popular artists of the 1970s. He recorded and released some 300 songs, about half of which he had composed, and was named Poet Laureate of Colorado in 1977.

Denver was born in Roswell, New Mexico to Erma Louise Swope and Henry John Deutschendorf, Sr.,[1] an Air Force officer and flight instructor. As a typical military brat his family moved around the American Southwest and South while Denver was growing up.

Denver wrote and dedicated the song "Looking for Space" to EST. This song came from his 1975 album "Windsong". It became the theme song for the training organization.


Denver supported space activism and was once slated to go into space. He was on the Board of Governors of the National Space Society for many years.
John Denver was a graduate of Werner Erhard's Erhard Seminars Training [EST]:

"He was an early follower of Werner Erhard, founder of the self-improvement association known as EST (Erhard Seminars Training). Denver once asked Erhard if he might become a trainer in the EST organization, but was told he could contribute more by continuing his career as an entertainer, spreading the message through his music, of taking personal responsibility for whatever happens in the world. Several of his subsequent songs reflected that philosophy.[2]"

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What's up with the luminous neck and odd nebulous body? Denver was ONLY identified by dental records according to "official" records...or was there actually any trace at all? As I suspect could be the case with Steve Fossett.


Born in Roswell, 4 years before the crash...the son of an Air Force Officer...need I say much more? The connections are staggering, Steve Fossett, and the goings on in the deserts of the South Western U.S perplex me beyond belief. Fill in the blanks...


http://peeringthrough.blogspot.com/2007 ... board.html

Could be nothing. Probably just a plane crash. But there are some out there who think he was Wellstoned and/or lapped back up into his true extradimensional home. And then I run into this "synch" shit too as I am "researching" it. It's never occurred to me how odd the death of John Denver very well may be.

This is perhaps way too woo even for me, but I am interested if anybody else has other speculations. I've found some other stuff out there which is findable, but from what I remember some of the sites are pretty much taboo insofar as the posting of links to and they certainly aren't rigorous or intuitive either. Like arcticbeacon and shit comes up, for instance.

Re: What Happened to John Denver?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:31 am
by 82_28

Re: What Happened to John Denver?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:47 am
by Saurian Tail
John Denver was refuge for this here dreamer back in my youth. I'd almost forgotten.

He was born in the summer of his 27th year, coming home to a place he'd never been before.
He left yesterday behind him, you might say he was born again,
you might say he found a key for every door.
When he first came to the mountains, his life was far away on the road and hanging by a song.
But the strings already broken and he doesn't really care,
it keeps changing fast, and it don't last for long.

And the Colorado Rocky Mountain high, I've seen it raining fire in the sky.
The shadows from the starlight are softer than a lullaby.
Rocky Mountain high, Colorado. Rocky Mountain high.

He climbed cathedral mountains, he saw silver clouds below,
he saw everything as far as you can see.
And they say that he got crazy once and he tried to touch the sun,
and he lost a friend, but kept the memory.
Now he walks in quiet solitude, the forest and the streams, seeking grace in every step he takes.
His sight is turned inside himself, to try and understand
the serenity of a clear blue mountain lake.

And the Colorado Rocky Mountain high, I've seen it raining fire in the sky.
You can talk to God and listen to the casual reply.
Rocky Mountain high, Colorado. Rocky Mountain high.

Now his life is full of wonder, but his heart still knows some fear,
of a simple thing he can not comprehend.
Why they try to tear the mountains down to bring in a couple more,
more people, more scars upon the land.

And the Colorado Rocky Mountain high, I've seen it raining fire in the sky.
I know he'd be a poor man if he never saw an eagle fly,
Rocky Mountain high, the Colorado Rocky Mountain high, I've seen it raining fire in the sky.
Friends around the campfire and everybody's high
Rocky Mountain high, Colorado. Rocky Mountain high.
Rocky Mountain high, Colorado. Rocky Mountain high.

Re: What Happened to John Denver?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:59 am
by MacCruiskeen
82_28 wrote:What Happened to John Denver?


Yes, and where's Captain Kirk?

Re: What Happened to John Denver?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:02 am
by norton ash
Dave McGowan mentions Denver as yet another 'army brat' who rose quickly through the Laurel Canyon groovy-mind-control scene.

Re: What Happened to John Denver?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:13 am
by yathrib
Same here. Some of his stuff was quite dark, even the the song you quote below. "Rocky Mountain High" always made me picture someone who had had some shattering experience and was trying to put the pieces back together. And "Fly Away" seems obviously about suicide.

Saurian Tail wrote:John Denver was refuge for this here dreamer back in my youth. I'd almost forgotten.

He was born in the summer of his 27th year, coming home to a place he'd never been before.
He left yesterday behind him, you might say he was born again,
you might say he found a key for every door.
When he first came to the mountains, his life was far away on the road and hanging by a song.
But the strings already broken and he doesn't really care,
it keeps changing fast, and it don't last for long.

And the Colorado Rocky Mountain high, I've seen it raining fire in the sky.
The shadows from the starlight are softer than a lullaby.
Rocky Mountain high, Colorado. Rocky Mountain high.

He climbed cathedral mountains, he saw silver clouds below,
he saw everything as far as you can see.
And they say that he got crazy once and he tried to touch the sun,
and he lost a friend, but kept the memory.
Now he walks in quiet solitude, the forest and the streams, seeking grace in every step he takes.
His sight is turned inside himself, to try and understand
the serenity of a clear blue mountain lake.

And the Colorado Rocky Mountain high, I've seen it raining fire in the sky.
You can talk to God and listen to the casual reply.
Rocky Mountain high, Colorado. Rocky Mountain high.

Now his life is full of wonder, but his heart still knows some fear,
of a simple thing he can not comprehend.
Why they try to tear the mountains down to bring in a couple more,
more people, more scars upon the land.

And the Colorado Rocky Mountain high, I've seen it raining fire in the sky.
I know he'd be a poor man if he never saw an eagle fly,
Rocky Mountain high, the Colorado Rocky Mountain high, I've seen it raining fire in the sky.
Friends around the campfire and everybody's high
Rocky Mountain high, Colorado. Rocky Mountain high.
Rocky Mountain high, Colorado. Rocky Mountain high.

Re: What Happened to John Denver?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:18 am
by seemslikeadream
And they say that he got crazy once and he tried to touch the sun

Re: What Happened to John Denver?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:33 am
by justdrew
I remember reading a big article about the crash and events leading up to it. Sure looked suspicious to me. IIRC there was something funny about the way the plane was found, some control not thrown or something, it may have been related to the JFKjr crash. Something about similar MOs (even though Denver's plane was a 'few of a kind' hand built aircraft). There was some character with a shady past who got close to denver...

Denver was born in Roswell, New Mexico to Erma Louise Swope and Henry John Deutschendorf, Sr.,[1] an Air Force officer and flight instructor. As a typical military brat his family moved around the American Southwest and South while Denver was growing up.

Denver wrote and dedicated the song "Looking for Space" to EST. This song came from his 1975 album "Windsong". It became the theme song for the training organization.

http://peeringthrough.blogspot.com/2007/09/all-aboard.html

on edit: whoops, I linked to the same site as you :jumping:

Re: What Happened to John Denver?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:11 pm
by Bruce Dazzling
"He was an early follower of Werner Erhard, founder of the self-improvement association known as EST (Erhard Seminars Training). Denver once asked Erhard if he might become a trainer in the EST organization, but was told he could contribute more by continuing his career as an entertainer, spreading the message through his music, of taking personal responsibility for whatever happens in the world. Several of his subsequent songs reflected that philosophy.


I may be reaching a bit here, but I had never heard of the EST organization before, but its name, along with its message of "transformation" made me think of the Klaatu album 3:47 EST, which featured "Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft." Add to that, Denver's connection to (oh) God, and his astronaut aspirations, and there's an awful lot of synchro-goodness to chew on.

Not to mention the whole Klaatu = the Beatles hoo-ha, coupled with the emergence of iamaphoney's use of the Paul is Dead meme to push an esoteric spiritual awakening/end times agenda.

Again, I'm just playing a bit of free-association here, but yeah, the John Denver crash is worth a second look.



In your mind you have capacities you know
To telepath messages through the vast unknown
Please close your eyes and concentrate
With every thought you think
Upon the recitation we're about to sing

Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary most extraordinary craft

You've been observing our earth
And we'd like to make a contact with you

We are your friends

Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary ultra-emissaries

We've been observing your earth
And one night we'll make a contact with you

We are your friends

Calling occupants of interplanetary quite extraordinary craft

And please come in peace, we beseech you
Only a landing will teach them
Our earth may never survive
So do come, we beg you
Please interstellar policeman
Oh won't you give us a sign
Give us a sign that we've reached you

With your mind you have ability to form
And transmit thought energy far beyond the norm
You close your eyes, you concentrate
Together that's the way
To send the message
We declare world contact day

Calling occupants
Calling occupants
Calling occupants of interplanetary, anti-adversary craft

We are your friends

Re: What Happened to John Denver?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:06 pm
by battleshipkropotkin
/HEARSAY

I shared a bunk in a Central Texas county jail with Basil Abbott* for few weeks in the Summer of 1999. He was waiting for/fighting extradition to somewhere or another.

As a postscript to his own piloting and drug-running stories, he mentioned that John Denver used to move alot of drugs himself. Being a pilot with a private plane, and an entertainer with a busy and wide-ranging travel itinerary, it made sense to me.

At the time, I was just getting interested in the sort of deep state/conspiracy topics discussed here, and I figured he was just telling tall tales (After all, I also shared a room in Colorado with an old man named Smokey that claimed to have been a guitarist with Porter Wagoner).

I saw 82_28's John Denver post title today and it all came rushing back to me and I googled "Basil cia pilot" and there he was! I am gonna look into it more. He was an intriguing character, and he seemed out of place there.

*This is who he represented himself as to me. The gaolers also used the name.

On edit: found this 1995 article profiling Abbott:
http://www.dallasobserver.com/1995-03-02/news/bad-company/1/

Also there is a 1987 Supreme Court case ABBOTT v UNITED STATES. I asked a lawyer friend if he could dig it up for me.

Sorry for the derail

Re: What Happened to John Denver?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:01 pm
by Nordic
John Denver was a major figure in Aspen. During the 80's in Aspen there was some serious, big time drug running through Aspen, via the Aspen airport and the little private airstrips in the area. People were murdered, found in rivers and such. It was a crazy time there. I have two very good friends who lived through it. One worked at the airport, the other was a news cameraman, and was always on hand for the fresh bodies.

Denver, if I recall, was supposedly quite the drinker. He was also accused of a great deal of hypocrisy, living high on the hog and having some big-ass vehicles (can't remember, today's version of the Hummer I suppose). And he had his own private gas tanks at his compoundd, which during some big rise in gas prices, he filled up to the top. He was hoarding gasoline for his big gas guzzlers. This pissed a lot of people off.

Supposedly Denver spent some time in Lawton Oklahoma, same place I went to high school. I think he had relatives there.

And hey, I was a military brat, yet I didn't rise up through the Laurel Canyon ranks? What gives? I'm feeling pretty left out now.

Re: What Happened to John Denver?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:20 pm
by Nordic
battleshipkropotkin wrote:On edit: found this 1995 article profiling Abbott:
http://www.dallasobserver.com/1995-03-02/news/bad-company/1/



That's a great yarn. Everybody should read these sorts of things to understand how our government really works.

let us begin...

PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:50 am
by IanEye
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aye calypso | eye calypso
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i seen you 'round for a long long time
i really remember you when you drink my wine

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i bring my money to the welfare line
i see you standing in it every time

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i know you're working for the CIA
they wouldn't have you in the Mafia


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Yes, they believed in all the papers
And the magazines that defined their folklore

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They could never laugh
At who or what they thought they were
Or even what they thought they sorta oughta be

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They were totally empty

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I gave up my father to South Korea
The mind of my brother to Vietnam
Now there's a banker who says I must give up my land

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He gave up his future to revolution
His life to a battle that just can't be won
For this is not living, to live at the point of a gun


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there's a storm across the valley - clouds are rollin' in
the afternoon is heavy on your shoulders


there's a truck out on the four-lane - a mile or more away
the whinin' of his wheels just makes it colder...


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was john denver the warm up act for jfk jr?

PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:10 pm
by MinM
viewtopic.php?p=275342#p275342
A couple years before JFK Jr and Egypt Air990 - Henry John Deutschendorf, Jr. - had strangely similar issues with his Fuel Selector Valve during a fatal plane crash.

Re: was john denver the warm up act for jfk jr?

PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:21 pm
by justdrew
MinM wrote:http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=275342#p275342
A couple years before JFK Jr and Egypt Air990 - Henry John Deutschendorf, Jr. - had strangely similar issues with his Fuel Selector Valve during a fatal plane crash.


ahh yes, the fuel selector valve, that's it! thanks MinM :)