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Postby Nordic » Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:09 am

h/t cryptogon (yet again):


Veritas Capital Founder Robert B. McKeon Dead in Apparent Suicide

By Daniel Edward Rosen and Patrick Clark 9/14 11:20am

Robert B. McKeon, the founder and chairman of Veritas Capital, the private equity firm that invested in defense contractors, died Monday in an apparent suicide, The Observer has learned.

The state medical examiner’s office in Connecticut, where Mr. McKeon owned a home, said that a man of the same name and age died of “asphyxia due to neck compression,” and that the death was ruled a suicide. The examiner’s office wouldn’t give a time or place of death. The Darien, Conn., police department said in a written statement that a man named Robert McKeon was found dead in his Darien home on Monday, and that “the death is not considered suspicious, but the incident is under investigation pending the results of the scheduled autopsy.”

Veritas’s Mr. McKeon was the Bronx-born son of a deliveryman for Drake’s cakes and a graduate of Fordham University and Harvard Business School. After rising to director at First Boston, he helped found Wasserstein Perella & Co. in 1988, serving as head of private equity and later chairman of the boutique investment bank.

In 1992, on the heels of the successful turnaround of the cosmetics company Maybelline, Mr. McKeon decamped to start Veritas Capital with a fellow former Wasserstein Perella banker named Thomas Campbell.

That same year, Crain’s New York Business found it unlikely that the “boyish-looking” Mr. McKeon “will ever be one of those archetypal, ruthless corporate raiders everybody loves to hate.”

Nonetheless, Mr McKeon’s career was not free from scandal. In 1999, a consultant to Veritas confessed to paying kickbacks to the Connecticut official who approved the state’s $125 million investment in a Veritas fund, and Mr. McKeon refused the state’s requests to refund its investment on the grounds that Veritas had no knowledge of the scheme.

Later, Mr. McKeon would sometimes garner negative attention for his investments in scandal-ridden defense contractors, such as DynCorp, which was embroiled in a sex-trafficking scheme in Bosnia in the 1990s, and MZM Inc., a military contractor that was being investigated by the federal government over suspicions that its owner bribed a California congressman to deliver hundreds of millions of dollars in government contracts. In each case, Veritas acquired the companies after their troubles.

Most recently, Veritas acquired Thomson Reuters’s health care business for $1.25 billion cash earlier this year.

Mr. McKeon was an art collector and a supporter of charities including the Nature Conservancy of East Hampton and the New York Police & Fire Widows & Children’s Benefit Fund, according to an emailed statement from Veritas. He was a trustee at Fordham University, his alma mater, and endowed a fellowship for military personnel at Harvard. He was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, where he endowed a series of lectures on military strategy and leadership.

“Bob was an extraordinary person, a consummate professional, and a cherished friend and colleague,” Veritas said in the statement. “We are all deeply saddened by this tragic loss and have his family in our thoughts. We are continuing to oversee operations at Veritas and at our portfolio companies, consistent with our regular practice and as Bob would have wanted.”

Veritas said that Ramzi Musallam—who has worked at the firm since its founding—and fellow senior partners Hugh Evans and Benjamin Polk are running the firm.

A phone call to a number believed to be the McKeons’ Darien home was not answered.

This story has been updated to include information on the Veritas senior partners now running the firm.

So depressed he choked himself to death. Okay.
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Postby 12#4 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:23 am

Eerie 'voice of god' overtones to this tragic incident. Something brewing in NATO?

NATO envoy suddenly leaps to his death in front of colleagues, shocking diplomats

Branislav Milinkovic, Serbia's ambassador to NATO, jumped to his death from a multi-storey carpark at Brussels airport, officials said on Wednesday.

Slobodan Lekic and Dusan Stojanovic
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BRUSSELS—Serbia's ambassador to NATO was chatting and joking with colleagues in a parking garage at Brussels Airport when he suddenly strolled to a barrier, climbed over and flung himself to the ground below, a diplomat said.

By the time his shocked colleagues reached him, Branislav Milinkovic was dead.

His motives are a mystery. Three diplomats who knew Milinkovic said he did not appear distraught in the hours leading up to his death Tuesday night. They said he seemed to be going about his regular business, picking up an arriving delegation of six Serbian officials who were due to hold talks with NATO, the alliance that went to war with his country just 13 years ago.

A former author and activist opposed to the authoritarian regime of Serbia's former strongman Slobodan Milosevic, he was a respected diplomat and leading intellectual in his country, officials said.

The diplomats, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release details, said they knew of no circumstances — private or professional — that would have prompted him to take his own life.

One of the diplomats described the death to The Associated Press, saying she had spoken to a member of the delegation who had witnessed the leap from the 8- to 10-meter-high (26- to 33-foot-high) platform.

The diplomats all spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not permitted by foreign service regulations to speak publicly to the press.

Speaking in Brussels, Serbia's Prime Minister Ivica Dacic said that “Belgian police are investigating, but it's obviously a suicide. It's hard to figure out the motives or causes.”

The death cast a pall on the second day of a meeting of NATO foreign ministers. Officials said they were shocked by the news of the death of a very popular and well-liked ambassador.

NATO's Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said he was “deeply saddened by the tragic death of the Serbian ambassador.”

“As Serbian ambassador to NATO he earned the respect and admiration of his fellow ambassadors,” he said.

During the 1990s, Milinkovic was active in the opposition to Milosevic. After he was ousted in 2000, Milinkovic was appointed Serbia's ambassador to the Organization for Security and Co-Operation in Europe, or OSCE, in Vienna.

He was transferred to NATO as Serbia's special representative in 2004. Serbia is not a member of the military alliance, but Milinkovic was named ambassador after Belgrade joined NATO's Partnership for Peace program, which groups neutral states.

The move to join the NATO program had angered Serbian nationalists who are now in power. They have pledged the nation will never join because of the alliance's 1999 bombing campaign, during which it forced Milosevic's forces to withdraw from Serbia's southern province of Kosovo.

Milosevic was widely blamed for instigating the Balkan wars that followed the breakup of Yugoslavia, conflicts that claimed more than 100,000 lives and left millions homeless.

Milinkovic worked to foster close ties with other ambassadors from the former Yugoslavia, recently organizing a dinner for a Croat colleague who was transferred to Moscow.

Milinkovic is survived by his wife and 17-year-old son.
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Postby dbcooper41 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:53 pm

this hasn't been classified a suicide, yet.

By DANICA KIRKA, Associated Press
LONDON — A nurse who fell victim to a prank telephone call seeking information
about the Duchess of Cambridge has died, King Edward VII hospital said Friday.
The hospital said Jacintha Saldanha took the hoax call by two Australian radio
disc jockeys who impersonated Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles to elicit
information on the duchess. Saldanha later transferred the call to the nurse
caring for the Duchess, who is pregnant and was suffering from acute morning
Saldanha was found dead early Friday. Police say her death is unexplained.
"Our thoughts and deepest sympathies at this time are with her family and
friends," said John Lofthouse, the hospital's chief executive said in a
statement. "Everyone is shocked by the loss of a much loved and valued
St. James's Palace also expressed sadness at the death.
"Their royal highnesses were looked after so wonderfully well at all times by
everybody at King Edward VII Hospital, and their thoughts and prayers are with
Jacintha Saldanha's family, friends and colleagues at this very sad time," the
palace said in a statement.
The prank phone call took place early Tuesday and the two radio personalities
apologized the following day.
A woman using the often-mimicked voice of Britain's monarch asked after the
duchess' health. She was told by the second nurse who took the call from
Saldanha that the duchess, the former Kate Middleton, "hasn't had any retching
with me and she's been sleeping on and off."
The nurse went on to tell the personalities that the duchess had had an
uneventful night, as a dog yapped in the background. The alleged queen and
prince talk about traveling to the hospital to check in on the patient.
The hospital said it supported Saldanha in the aftermath of the call and that
its phone protocols were under review.
The Australian station 2DayFM placed the recording of the conversation on its
website but later said it was sorry. Australian radio personalities Mel Greig
and Michael Christian also apologized for the hoax.
"We were very surprised that our call was put through. We thought we'd be hung
up on as soon as they heard our terrible accents," they said in a joint
statement with the station at the time. "We're very sorry if we've caused any
issues and we're glad to hear that Kate is doing well."
Officials from St. James's Palace have said the duchess is not yet 12 weeks
pregnant. The child would be the first for her and Prince William.
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:48 am

Two big ones I hadn't known about as such - long articles, so links.


William Pawley, the Kennedy Assassination, and Watergate
By Prof Peter Dale Scott
Global Research, November 29, 2012
Url of this article:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/william-pa ... ce/5313486

Read it. Here's the ending - a rundown of the incredible suicide epidemic among witnesses who were about to testify or had just testified to the Church Committee or HSCA.

But in 1975, after Nixon’s two CIA directors (James Schlesinger and William Colby) had demanded an accounting of the CIA’s past illegalities, the CIA was in a far more desperate plight than it had been back in 1967. We have to ask whether it is only coincidental that the years 1975-78 saw so many violent deaths among those involved in the CIA-mafia plots, and more specifically with the Bayo-Pawley plot.

On June 19, 1975, “a week before his scheduled appearance before the Church Committee to be questioned about the CIA-Mafia plots…Sam Giancana [was] shot in the back of the head with a .22-caliber pistol.”[76] John Martino also died in May 1975, allegedly after telling his wife, a business partner, and a journalist friend that he had been peripherally involved in the plot to kill Kennedy.[77] After John Roselli had testified to the Church Committee, his mutilated body, on August 7, 1976, was discovered in Biscayne Bay, floating in an oil drum. Committee investigator Gaeton Fonzi records the deaths of three other witnesses he had planned to question: George de Mohrenschildt by alleged suicide, Carlos Prio by suicide, and Manuel Artime, weeks after his diagnosis with cancer.[78]

Extensive as it is, Fonzi’s list of questionable deaths is not complete. William Harvey, the CIA officer who was also a friend of Roselli and one of the three sources Anderson named for his “backfire” story, testified to the Church Committee in 1975; on June 8, 1976, he died suddenly, at age 60, from a heart attack.[79] William C. Sullivan, head of the FBI’s Intelligence Division that so strangely handled (or mishandled) Oswald’s FBI files in the weeks before the assassination, was shot in November 1977 with a high-powered rifle, by a hunter who claimed to have mistaken him for a deer. Journalist Robert Novak, a friend of Sullivan, later wrote, “Bill told me I would probably read about his death in some kind of accident but not to believe it. It would be murder.”[80] On May 8, 1978, David Morales, the CIA Operations officer who is said to have selected his close friend Mickey Kappes for Operation TILT, died, after having reportedly told friends, “I was in Dallas when I, when we got that mother fucker, and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bastard.”[81]

But there is one death in particular that could suggest that Clare Booth Luce may have underestimated the political explosiveness of “phase three” stories. It can be seen also as an ironic comment on the fluidity of the dark forces underlying American politics, and the danger of dabbling with them. I shall close with a quote from Gaeton Fonzi’s description of how in early 1977 he began to continue his investigations on behalf of the recently created House Select Committee on Assassinations:

On my official first day, I sent to Washington a list of witnesses I planned to interview… William Pawley was near the top of that list. Exactly one week later [on January 7, 1977], William Pawley, in bed in his mansion on Miami Beach with a nervous ailment [shingles], put a gun to his chest and committed suicide.[82]

Although I have never hear of any other person committing suicide because of shingles, Pawley’s death by itself proves nothing at all. However I believe that the story of a story I have been telling you today, of a “phase three” story that was indeed a political H-bomb, makes at least two things clear. The first is that President Kennedy was not assassinated by a marginal neglected loner who was quickly killed, but by some deep enduring force in our society, with the power to affect bureaucratic behavior.

And despite their lip service to the findings of the Warren Report, a lot of public figures knew this, and felt very threatened.


Now check this out: Gary Devore...

Hollywood Hitmen
Black helicopters, underground bases, laser weapons and the mysterious death of Schwazenegger's screenwriter...By Matthew Alford and Robbie Graham

http://www.forteantimes.com/features/fb ... itmen.html


The official ‘accident’ explanation of Gary’s death is certainly creative, if nothing else. By the police’s own calculations, in order to have ended up in the aqueduct, Gary would have had to have driven in excess of 110km/h without headlights – they had been deliberately turned off, the investigation found – the wrong way up a major highway for 3.2km, unnoticed, and through the only gap in the road rail – a mere 5m wide – all without causing any damage to either rail or car. “Evel Knievel on his best night couldn’t do that,” snorts Hollywood private investigator Don Crutchfield.


And here's a third - an acknowledged murder. Two, actually, as the assassin also killed the poor secretary. But of the impossibly convenient lone-nut variety. By Ames & Zaitchik, so a good read.

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/02/better_ ... nick_deak/

Sunday, Dec 2, 2012 07:00 AM EST
James Bond and the killer bag lady
New clues and a powerful Wall St. skeptic challenge the official story of CIA financier Nick Deak's brutal murder
By Mark Ames and Alexander Zaitchik


Deak-Perera had been headquartered on the building’s 20th and 21st floors since the late 1960s. Nick Deak, known as “the James Bond of money,” founded the company in 1947 with the financial backing of the CIA. For more than three decades the company had functioned as an unofficial arm of the intelligence agency and was a key asset in the execution of U.S. Cold War foreign policy. From humble beginnings as a spook front and flower import business, the firm grew to become the largest currency and precious metals firm in the Western Hemisphere, if not the world. But on this day in November, the offices were half-empty and employees few. Deak-Perera had been decimated the year before by a federal investigation into its ties to organized crime syndicates from Buenos Aires to Manila. Deak’s former CIA associates did nothing to interfere with the public takedown. Deak-Perera declared bankruptcy in December 1984, setting off panicked and sometimes violent runs on its offices in Latin America and Asia.


If Nicholas Deak had never existed, Graham Greene would have tried — and failed — to invent him. Born and raised in Transylvania during the last decade of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Deak received a Ph.D. in economics from the University of Neuchâtel in 1929 and held posts with the Hungarian Trade Institute and London’s Overseas Bank before taking a post in the economics department of the League of Nations shortly before World War II. He fled Europe for the United States in 1939, enlisted as a paratrooper in 1942, and was quickly recruited into the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the wartime precursor to the CIA. Among his first assignments was developing a plan to parachute oil executives disguised as Romanian firefighters into the Balkans to sabotage Axis energy supply lines. (Sadly, it was never implemented.) He spent the final year of the war in Burma, where he recruited locals into guerrilla units to fight the Japanese occupation. Japan’s Burmese commander would surrender his samurai sword to Deak at the end of the war, a memento Deak later kept in his Scarsdale, N.Y., attic.

Following V-Day, Deak was stationed in Hanoi and headed U.S. intelligence operations in French Indochina. He assisted with the supply of weapons to French colonial forces and in dispatches to Washington recommended sending unofficial U.S. “advisers” into combat missions, helping set the course for U.S. involvement in Vietnam. His close colleagues at the OSS included future CIA directors William Casey and William Colby, as well as CIA counterintelligence chief James Jesus Angleton.

Deak was a unique talent at a unique time in American history. With Europe in ruins, the country emerged from the war as a true global power in need of imperial know-how. Within the ranks of the OSS, Deak stood out. The blue-blood Yalies that dominated the agency had little experience in global affairs and even less in global finance. And so they turned to the cosmopolitan half-Jewish foreigner to help move the nascent empire’s money around the strategic chessboard. Soon after the war ended, the American government provided the funds to found Deak and Co., a front that began as a global flower-distribution business in Hilo, Hawaii. It soon evolved into a proper bank with growing legitimate business as a broker of foreign currencies with branch offices all over the world, from Beirut to Buenos Aires. In the days of strict global capital controls, when banking was duller and more predictable, Deak’s firm attracted top talent and ambitious finance mavericks with its reputation as one of the most exciting white shoe firms on Wall Street.

But the company’s most important client was always the CIA. From its founding until the late 1970s, Deak’s firm was a key financial arm of the U.S. intelligence complex. Because it carried out the foreign-currency transactions of private entities, Deak and Co. could keep track of who was spiriting money into and out of which countries.

In 1962, for example, Deak warned the CIA that China was planning to invade India after his company’s Hong Kong branch was swamped with Chinese orders for Indian rupees intended for advance soldiers. Deak’s offices were more than observation posts. His company played a crucial role in executing some of the United States’ most infamous covert ops. In 1953, CIA director Alan Dulles tasked Deak with smuggling $1 million into Iran through his offices in Lebanon and Switzerland. The cash went to the street thugs and opposition groups that helped overthrow Iran’s prime minister, Mohammad Mossadegh, in favor of the U.S.-approved shah. Deak’s network also financed the CIA-assisted coups in Guatemala and the Congo.

Meanwhile, the sunny side of Deak’s business thrived. Its retail foreign currency operation, now reconstituted under new ownership and known to the world as Thomas Cooke, became a staple at airports, its multi-packs of francs and marks symbols of every American family’s European vacation. Deak’s retail precious metals business dominated the market after the legalization of gold sales. After a series of sales and reconstitutions, it is today known as Goldline, a major sponsor of Glenn Beck and subject of a recent fraud settlement.

Sen. Frank Church inflicted the first hit on Deak’s public image in 1975. During the Idaho senator’s famous hearings into CIA black ops, it was revealed that Deak’s Hong Kong branch helped the agency funnel millions in Lockheed bribe money to a Japanese yakuza don, political power broker, and former “Class A” war criminal named Yoshio Kodama. One of the most bizarre details involved a priest-turned-bagman who carried over 20 pounds of cash hidden under baskets of oranges on flights between Hong Kong and Tokyo, where he delivered the cash to Lockheed representatives.

Deak’s firm was not penalized for its role in the scandal — bribing foreign officials wasn’t yet illegal in the U.S. — but the damage to his firm’s image was real. The scandal brought down Japan’s government and governments in Western Europe; it also led to the passage of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, the first serious attempt to criminalize overseas bribery. The damage to Deak’s public image was real. It was also quickly compounded by a subsequent New Republic expose that outlined Deak’s role in the Iran, Guatemala and Congo coups. According to those who worked with him at the time, by the late 1970s Deak understood the CIA had begun to see his high profile — matched with a growing business laundering underworld money — as a liability.

If his name was no longer synonymous with the all-American vacation, Deak emerged during the 1970s as a hero in an emergent libertarian gold-bug subculture. As Doomsday-obsessed gold hoarders built financial bomb shelters in the shadow of stagflation, Deak emerged as among the first proto-Libertarian gurus. A fawning profile in Reason magazine compared Deak to “Midas Mulligan or any other character ever conceived of by Ayn Rand.” A font of public lectures and provocative quotes for journalists, Deak drew admiration from fellow gold-circuit riders Ron Paul and Alan Greenspan. He corresponded with Friedrich Hayek. At one gold conference featuring George Will and Louis Rukeyser, the suave banker with the thick Transylvanian accent drew wild applause when he blamed inflation on “welfare” and declared, “I don’t see why the recipient of welfare should be able to vote, because obviously he can vote for more welfare.” Deak also embraced apartheid-era South Africa. “I love to deal with South Africa,” he once said. “Without the white population, the black people there would be in the same shape as west and east Africa.” The media was enthralled. Time tagged him “the James Bond of Money.” Merv Griffin interviewed him with barely concealed awe.

“Deak was incredibly charismatic, the ultimate old world aristocrat,” said Kuhlmann. “He had this imperial bearing and yet was very charming and equally comfortable with high financiers and arms dealers.”

* * *

As the hard-line conservative movement aligned behind Ronald Reagan, things couldn’t have looked better for Deak. His reactionary mix of Spenglerian pessimism, Social Darwinism and Austrian School economics was coming back into vogue. His buddy Bill Casey was put in charge of Reagan’s CIA with a mandate to resurrect the Old Boys Network. People lined up around the world to buy golden “Deak Coins” stamped with his aquiline mug and the motto “Internationalization of Sound Money.” It should have been the start of a grand second act. But it was not to be.

The House of Deak began its rapid collapse in 1983 when a federal informant accused the firm of laundering hundreds of millions of dollars in Colombian cartel cash. Leading the attack from Treasury was John M. Walker, a first cousin of the vice president, George Herbert Walker Bush, who served as CIA chief under Gerald Ford. Suddenly Deak’s decades-long relationship with Casey meant nothing. The knives were out. One of Deak’s executives, Theana Kastens, remembers dropping by 29 Broadway and seeing a freshman congressman named Chuck Schumer sitting in Deak’s office chair, his feet up on the desk, rifling through papers.

“He felt profoundly betrayed,” said Kastens, whose father, Pennsylvanian Rep. Gus Yatron, served on the House Foreign Affairs Committee during the Iran-Contra hearings. “He was bitter and despondent.”

When Reagan’s Justice Department established a presidential commission to investigate the charges, a furious Deak rejected participation in what he regarded as a show trial. He was summoned to testify in Washington and refused. Finally, on Nov. 29, 1984, the feds dragged him before the cameras under subpoena for a public dressing-down. Deak openly displayed his contempt for the proceedings. Sardonic and aloof, he responded to questions about his company’s Swiss-like policy of accepting all deposits by asserting that it was the job of law enforcement, not Nicholas Deak, to track drug money. His outrage at being singled out was understandable. At the time, CIA director Casey was working closely with Nicaragua’s contra rebels, who were funding their weapons purchases with cocaine profits in full view of the CIA, an old habit of the agency’s dating back to their drug transporting operations in the golden triangle. Of course, the exact justification for burning Deak didn’t matter. And as with the Church hearings, his company was never actually even prosecuted. The message to Deak and his underworld clients was more important: Deak-Perera had lost its protection and was in the cross hairs.

The fallout was immediate. Deak’s crime-commission appearance triggered a worldwide run on the company’s deposits. Crowds mobbed Deak offices in Argentina and Hong Kong. Millions of dollars in gray and black deposits vanished. Among the jilted clients were Macau Triads and Latin American drug cartels. A retired DEA official who worked in Hong Kong in the 1980s said, “Nick Deak screwed over a lot of people, including the Macau mob.” Philip Bowering, a Hong Kong correspondent for the Far Eastern Economic Review in the 1980s, said there’s no question Deak made a lot of enemies that year. “He crossed one of the Macau mafia,” he said. “But on what issue I have no idea.”

After a bankruptcy declaration in December 1984, Deak tried not to think about his new enemies and focus on sorting through his company’s remains. He spent 1985 traveling the globe with his son Leslie, trying ineffectually to revive the firm. Then one wintry afternoon, with the holidays approaching and the “Miami Vice” theme climbing the Billboard charts, a homeless woman from Seattle named Lang showed up at 29 Broadway and brought Nick Deak’s long and storied run to an end.


I'd never heard of this guy! Missed the case altogether.

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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:40 pm

Rather obvious one: Jacintha Saldanha She was a British nurse. Got pranked by two Aussie radio "personalities" into giving some private info about Kate Middleton away on air and then became, per the Daily Mail, "Jacintha Saldanha, whose body was found yards from the King Edward VII Hospital yesterday." Finding it rather hard to believe it was a suicide, simply because there is no motive whatsoever.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:44 pm

No motive from your POV JB, but you don't know what state of mind she was in, and what pressure she copped afterward. Maybe someone told her she'd lose her job over it. Maybe she had depression anyway, and was exhausted and stressed from dealing with all the royal bullshit.

I don't think it was her that gave away the info tho, I heard (during the non stop media blitz of the last 24 hrs) that she answered the phone and transferred it to another ward where another nurse gave away the info.

The pommy media has been vitriolic in its response to her death, but I suspect that has less to do with her and more to do with a bunch of colonial convict plebs not showing proper respect for royalty.
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Postby sunny » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:14 am

Ms. Saldanha wasn't even the nurse who gave away the info. She transferred the call to the nurse who was caring for Kate Middleton.
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Postby ShinShinKid » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:50 pm

She literally had hundreds of social connections. Durkheim taught us that people who are at a loss for social connections are the most likely victims of suicide. It smelled fishy as soon as it happened. Look closely at the faces of her relatives. They are in a state of utter disbelief. So now we hear the family is getting half million in what can only be construed by myself as "hush money".
She had a HUGE family. Now, we don't know the personal ins and outs of her private psyche, but from the outside, it sure looks like she was "suicided". It's an MO that many here are privy to.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:58 pm

ShinShinKid wrote:She literally had hundreds of social connections. Durkheim taught us that people who are at a loss for social connections are the most likely victims of suicide. It smelled fishy as soon as it happened. Look closely at the faces of her relatives. They are in a state of utter disbelief. So now we hear the family is getting half million in what can only be construed by myself as "hush money".
She had a HUGE family. Now, we don't know the personal ins and outs of her private psyche, but from the outside, it sure looks like she was "suicided". It's an MO that many here are privy to.

I presume you're talking about the nurse in England?

The half a million in "hush money" is coming from the company that owned the radio station (2day fm) that made the prank call. They suspended all advertising after they learned about her death. They restarted advertising yesterday (I think) and all profits from the advertising for the rest of the year or till christmas are being donated to the family.

Its not so much hush money as guilt money and a way for the radio station to keep its advertisers, and for everyone else to not feel bad listening to the station. Advertisers may have avoided the station if they think they could be seen to be punishing it for being low/stupid, but now they can't do that without being seen to be punishing the family.

The other thing I heard yesterday is that the family claimed, via the MP they have speaking for them, that the nurse was actually severely reprimanded and hassled by the hospital, despite the hospitals claims that they didn't do any such thing. To me, if the hospital put enough pressure on her, threatening her job and reputation enough then perhaps a suicide under those circumstances isn't as unusual as it might seem. I wouldn't put anything past class obsessed snobs in England, includsiong them suggesting sahe kill herself to save her family the shame of living with what she did while they never get the opportunities they otherwise would have, They are in England, she is south asian. Class obsessed snobs are usually extremely racist.
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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:16 am

I've read that she did leave a note but the contents haven't been revealed.
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Postby ShinShinKid » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:56 pm

Thanks for the response, Joe. I do think that the backlash against the DJ's was a bit over the top, the biggest part they played was trigger.
I was also talking to a friend who bespoke of the Holiday Stress that could have been at play. Again, I say good point; and Hush Money was not a good use of the term, except to say that it was probably proffered to offset the many lawsuits that might be coming their way. It would seem that the hospital holds the most responsibility, with undue pressure or unsecure premises.
I think it's interesting the backlash against the backlash...and wait, there's probably more backlash coming.
It's very sad, either way.
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Postby sunny » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:00 pm

Mangalore Diocese seeks probe into Indian nurse death
Press Trust of India / Mangalore December 10, 2012, 23:25

The Mangalore diocese today urged the Centre to prevail on authorities in London to thoroughly investigate the mysterious death of Indian-origin nurse Jacintha Saldhana in that country.

Monsignor Denis Moras Prabhu, Vicar general of the diocese, told reporters here they have urged External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid, Petroleum Minister Veerappa Moily and former minister Oscar Fernandez to pressurise authorities in London to investigate the case thoroughly.

"London police have not allowed Jacintha's husband to make a telephone call and her mortal remains were not shown to him or the children. Government of India must look into this matter seriously," he said.

Saldhana (46) who was duped into transferring a hoax call that gave away information on the pregnant Kate Middleton's medical condition to Australian radio presenters, was on December 7 found dead in a suspected suicide.

Her unconscious body was found some distance away from King Edward VII Hospital, where she was working.

Saldanha, a mother of two teenage children, arrived in the UK a decade ago from Udipi near Mangalore.

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Postby dbcooper41 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:07 pm


An Irish Republican Army veteran who accused Sinn Fein party chief Gerry Adams of
involvement in IRA killings and bombings has been found dead in her home, police
and politicians said Thursday
Dolours Price, 61, was a member of the Provisional IRA unit that launched the
very first car-bomb attacks on London in 1973. She became one of Irish
republicanism's most trenchant critics of Adams and his conversion to political
compromise in the British territory of Northern Ireland.
Police said her death Wednesday night at her home in Malahide, north of Dublin,
was possibly the result of a drug overdose and foul play was not suspected. But
it could have implications as far away as the U.S. Supreme Court.
In interviews Price repeatedly described Adams as her IRA commander in Catholic
west Belfast in the early 1970s when the outlawed group was secretly abducting,
executing and burying more than a dozen suspected informers in unmarked graves.
Adams rejects the charges.
Since 2011 Northern Ireland's police have been fighting a legal battle with
Boston College to secure audiotaped interviews with Price detailing her IRA
career to see if they contain evidence relating to unsolved crimes, particularly
the 1972 kidnapping and murder of a Belfast widow, Jean McConville. Price
allegedly admitted being the IRA member who drove McConville across the Irish
border to an IRA execution squad.
Boston College commissioned the collection of such interviews with veterans of
Northern Ireland's paramilitary warfare on condition their contents be kept
secret until each interviewee's death.

In October, the Supreme Court blocked the handover of the Price tapes pending
resolution of a string of other connected lawsuits and legal challenges in lower
U.S. courts. Her death could trigger a new wave of legal petitions on both
Price joined the IRA as a Belfast teenager, in part because her father Albert
was a senior IRA figure. She led a 10-member IRA unit that planted four car
bombs in central London on March 8, 1973, including outside the Old Bailey
criminal courthouse and Scotland Yard police headquarters. Two detonated,
wounding more than 200 people.
After the Provisional IRA cease-fire of 1997 paved the way for Adams' Sinn Fein
party to enter a new power-sharing government in Northern Ireland, Price
denounced Adams as a hypocrite who had betrayed the cause of forcing Northern
Ireland into the Irish Republic.
And in a 2012 interview with Britain's Sunday Telegraph, Price accused Adams of
sanctioning the 1973 bomb attacks during a Belfast IRA meeting.
"Adams started talking and said it was a big, dangerous operation. He said:
`This could be a hanging job.' He said: `If anyone doesn't want to go (to
London), they should up and leave now through the back door at 10-minute
intervals.' The ones that were left were the ones that went. I was left
organizing it, to be the OC (officer commanding) of the whole shebang," Price
was quoted as saying.
Adams made no reference to Price's accusations in a prepared statement on
Price's death Thursday.
"She endured great hardship during her time in prison in the 1970s enduring a
hunger strike which included force-feeding for over 200 days. In more recent
years she has had many personal trials," Adams said.
When asked later about Price's criticisms, Adams said he had "no concerns about
any of those issues because they are not true."
Price had been counseled for depression and alcoholism for more than a decade
after being convicted of using forged prescriptions to acquire drugs in 2001.
Price was diagnosed with psychological problems including anorexia nervosa
during her prison sentence. She and her younger sister Marian, who also was
imprisoned for the same bomb attack, received early paroles in 1980 on
compassionate grounds. Britain sent Marian Price back to prison in 2011 over her
alleged continued involvement in dissident IRA circles.
Dolours Price married the Belfast actor Stephen Rea in 1983 and they had two
sons, but he divorced her in 2003.
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Postby divideandconquer » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:34 pm

Sorry if it's been mentioned already, but what about Brittany Murphy and her husband, Simon Monjack who were supposedly experiencing helicopter surveillance and wiretaps perpetrated against them by the Department of Homeland Security. It's kind of strange for husband and celebrity wife to die months apart under identical circumstances. Her father, (mafia, I think), was told Brittany's specimens--hair and tissues-- were going to be destroyed, unless he paid to have them preserved. He did, and the Office of the Coroner and the Los Angeles Police Department reneged on their promise. He filed a lawsuit and and the court filie disappeared from the docket.

The documentary, "Top Priority: The Terror Within" tells the alleged true story of how Brittany was caught up in a government plot against a national security whistleblower, Julia Davis.

Murphy and Monjack were on the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) watch list;
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) were trying to kick her screenwriter husband out of the country;
Monjack was arrested over an expired visa - a ruthless tactic to intimidate Murphy after she spoke out in defence of Julia Davis, a former Customs and Border Protection agent.

'Britt and her husband Simon didn't deserve to be terrorized by the Department of Homeland Security for standing up to defend me,' says Davis.

The former enforcement officer was suing the government for wrongful imprisonment and according to the film, Homeland Security falsely claimed that the statement given by Murphy supported their allegations against Davis.
Davis's husband BJ - who co-produced the documentary - says that their actress friend was 'completely taken aback' by the department's deceit and hit back against their lies by issuing a sworn statement through her attorneys.
But BJ says that 'Britt's life was never the same' and from then on she placed herself 'in the crosshairs of Julia's attackers.'
The film isn't the first to note the couple's fear of being under government watch. American journalist, Alex Ben Block, said that Simon Monjack told him 'they were under surveillance by helicopters and their phone was bugged.'
And within days of sharing his worries, on 21 December, Murphy was dead.
She was found unconscious in her bathroom by her mother, who called an ambulance to rush her daughter to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, LA, where she was pronounced dead on arrival.
In a bid to find the truth about the star's death - like her mother Sharon - Brittany's father Angelo Bertolli had to pay for his daughter's hair samples to be saved from destruction after the LA Coroner admitted tests 'for poisons and toxic substances' had not been carried out during the autopsy.
But as Angelo failed to term up to a court hearing to make his case, the lawsuit was subsequently thrown out. However, with the fresh investigation into Murphy's death, favour does seem to be falling on the side of the filmmakers.
But let's go back to the beginning, to the moment in 2004 when Homeland Security branded Davis a 'domestic terrorist' because she accused government officials of breaching national security.
Davis had discovered that 23 foreigners from terrorist countries had been allowed onto U.S. soil, the same day Osama Bin Laden had planned terrorist attacks on America.
After Julia Davis highlighted the security breach in a report to her supervisors, the film claims Homeland Security took 'hostile action' against Davis, her family and friends.
This included a staggering 54 investigations leading to two malicious prosecutions, two false imprisonments, and a Black Hawk helicopter raid on her home that involved 27 DHS agents and one U.S. Marshal.
Shockingly, the film says the hush-hush tactics and the attack on Julia Davis, her family and Hollywood friends took more military manpower than the assassination of Bin Laden.
Luckily for Davis, she was finally cleared of all accusations in 2010. But not content, she decided to tell her story by writing and producing the film, that made sure 'these monsters' didn't get away with their crimes.
The film's director Asif Akbar says that when he first met BJ and Julia Davis he knew the 'incredible true story had to be told.' The filmmaker found it shocking that so many government officials and citizens, 'were willing to accept corruption as the norm of life.'
Akbar now claims he and his family are being targeted by Homeland Security. He says officials have 'raided their business' after Top Priority premiered at the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences on May 16 this year.
Remarkably, Julia Davis is still under surveillance by the government, saying that her bank accounts are levied 'on special dates.' But her film won't be the only project to shed some light on the mysterious life of Brittany Murphy.
Akbar and Davis have teamed up again, along with the actress's father, to write and produce a biopic, called Britt. The director says the film will cover everything during Brittany's rise to fame including 'her romances, lifestyle, career and her untimely death.'
Considering the subject matter and heavy accusations it is unsurprising that reviews of the documentary have not been kind, with the New York Times describing Top Priority as serving 'neither the viewer nor its embattled subject.'
Another critic suggests it 'too often distracts from the core story instead of enhancing it.'
Whether you believe Julia Davis' story or not, there is no doubt that the ambiguous life of Brittany Murphy is a tale worth telling.
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Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:44 am

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Actor Stephen Rea carries coffin at ex-wife Dolours Price’s Belfast funeral
Gerry Adams stays away as Republicans bury IRA hunger striker
By PATRICK COUNIHAN, IrishCentral Staff Writer Published Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 7:51 AM Updated Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 12:37 PM

Hollywood actor Stephen Rea has carried his former wife Dolours Price’s coffin at her Belfast funeral.

But Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams stayed away as Republicans paid their respects to the former IRA hunger striker.

Old Bailey bomber Price was found dead after a suspected overdose at her Dublin home last week.
Crying Game star and Northern Ireland born Rea was married to Price for 17 years.

He carried the coffin along with their two sons as her body left St Agnes’s church in Andersonstown before her burial at Milltown cemetery.

Sinn Fein President Adams was a notable absentee from the funeral.

The former MP for West Belfast, now a deputy for Louth in the Irish parliament, had clashed with Price on a number of political issues in recent years.

Price was a constant critic of the direction Sinn Fein was taking under Adams’s leadership and accused him of ‘selling out.’

The Guardian newspaper reports that she had also claimed in several media interviews that Adams was her IRA commander when she was ordered to drive the mother-of-10 Jean McConville to her death at a secret location over the border in the Irish Republic in 1972.

Adams has vehemently denied any role in the death and disappearance of the widow and has denied he was ever in the IRA.

Price’s sister Marian was unable to attend the funeral as she is currently in prison on charges of alleged dissident republican activity.

The Price sisters were jailed for their part in the 1973 Old Bailey bombing in which one man died of a heart attack after helping to clear the area.

Over 200 people were injured in the explosion which marked the start of the provisional IRA’s bombing campaign in Britain.

The Price sisters were convicted for their part in the bombing. They went on hunger strike and were force-fed as they sought to be relocated to Northern Ireland.

The sisters were eventually transferred to Armagh women’s jail.

Prison chaplain Father Raymond Murray addressed mourners at the funeral.

He told them, “Dolours and her sister were like twins. Dolours’s family can relate her nature and her talent, both of which is outside the knowledge and understanding of those who did not know her personally.

“She was clever and witty, full of fun and held people enthralled by her conversation.”

Dolours Price was also one of the contributors who gave detailed testimony to Boston College’s Belfast project, which archives the memoirs of key republicans and loyalists during the Troubles.

Founder Ed Moloney and his researcher Anthony McIntyre have declined to release Price’s taped interviews which are the subject of a US Supreme Court battle in the US.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland has asked the courts to release the Boston College material as part of their investigation into the McConville murder.
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