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If the Arab winter/spring of 2011 was about popular protests to challenge autocrat regimes dovetailed by the civil war lead by the West in Libya...then it looks like all out chaos and war
is what the summer will have in store.

According to the embedded videos here, Yemen's capital and many other areas have descended into civil war. And Syria is dangerously close to completely unraveling and descending into mass slaughter
in the wake of the government there allegedly mutilating and killing dozens of children(some of them sexually)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43240788/ns ... _n_africa/

If this grand chessboard reshuffling is just heating up, what in the world can be expect later this summer? The situation in Israel seems to eerily be ramping up, with Israel claiming to feel more and more isolated and pinned in. Pakistan of course has been made into a whipping boy by the US government. Anyone care to guess what's coming down the pipeline, and for what reasons?

Once again, "social network" media and instant communication is said to be the fuel...and as much as I WANT to believe these are all grassroots organic led revolutions by the people/for the people...

Yemen president injured in rocket attack on presidential compound; fierce fighting spreading throughout the capital and surrounding areas
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43265101/ns ... _n_africa/

Yep, total war for full spectrum dominance, brought to you by Exxon-Monsanto-Boeing-Haliburton with the generous encouragement of JP Goldman Sachs and other spooky usurers. One guy who seems to have a clue is William Engdahl who wrote this back in 2009:

"For the faction that controls the Pentagon, the military industry and the oil industry, the Cold War never ended. It went on 'below the radar' creating a global network of bases and conflicts to advance their long-term goal of Full Spectrum Dominance, the total control of the planet: land, sea, air, space, outer space and cyberspace.

"Their methods included control of propaganda, use of NGOs for regime change, Color Revolutions to advance NATO east, and a vast array of psychological and economic warfare techniques, a Revolution in Military Affairs as they termed it."

from: https://www.createspace.com/3403093

He's written several other recent books, self-published by all appearances, doesn't seem to be an academic, has several RT interviews on his website, and lives in Germany. So he's a bit of a mystery man.

Here's a particularly well-informed interview, uploaded this March, conducted by an anti-GMO group (don't know much more) that covers the US financial meltdown, Greek crisis, IMF machinations, "Arab Spring," 9/11, eugenics agenda, "full spectrum dominance" (Pentagon concept) and GMOs among other things. Highly recommended:


Full Spectrum Dominance by F. William Engdahl, Part 1 of 5


Full Spectrum Dominance by F. William Engdahl, Part 2 of 5


Full Spectrum Dominance by F. William Engdahl, Part 3 of 5

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Full Spectrum Dominance by F. William Engdahl, Part 4 of 5


Full Spectrum Dominance by F. William Engdahl, Part 5 of 5

In a previous episode, F. William Engdahl gave us a new perspective as he described how food has historically been used as a weapon, one made more insidiously effective with the development of genetic manipulation. In this episode, that perspective zooms out to reveal it's place among other tactics employed by the U.S. in the quest for world dominance. Engdahl explains why the Cold War never ended, what goes into the engineering of a crisis, and the U.S. involvement in the Egypt riots and other conflicts around the world. We are asked to look at how the use of fear has played a part in creating changes in laws and regulations, and whether these changes have been of benefit or detriment to the communities and nations in which we live.

Damn! Thanks for posting this, I'll take a listen tonight. Surprised in all my years in parapolitics I never heard of this fellow. But he seems right on the money. There now seems to be no coincidence that
virtually every single Arab Islamic nation since January from North Africa to the Middle East have erupted into revolutions and chaos. While Indonesia descended into total anarchy in the late 1990's, and later Thailand...this situation has a lot more mass implications.

It's no wonder Obama personally visits Facebook's headquarters, and why there seems to be such a close interconnection between the government and social networking/google/etc.
People think Wikileaks is a covert front to release propaganda, yet continually Assange says stuff that even intel agencies posing as opposers would never say. Assange called Facebook the biggest intelligence gathering on the planet, and continues to hammer home the illegality of all US and Western wars.

I don't know where this whole Arab spring/summer, OBL death, Pakistan, and Israeli-Palestinian thing is leading too...but it definitely feels like a dark new chapter is coming

^ He says in the interview that a key motive is getting control of their oil and stealing their sovereign wealth funds, and if what's happening in Libya is any indication he's right. I've heard cheerful reports on NPR about the clever ways banksters are planning to steal Libya's sovereign wealth funds invested in the US, which are substantial, and apparently they've stolen quite a lot already, like that $1.2 billion by Goldman Sachs "lost" in six months. Here's another bil that a French outfit managed to "lose":

Bloomberg - Jun 2, 2011

Societe Generale (GLE) SA designed a $1 billion bet on its own shares for Libya’s sovereign wealth fund in March 2008, and the investment had fallen 72 percent in value by the middle of last year, the Financial Times reported, citing documents that it’s reviewed.

The transaction involved a $1 billion note, repayable to the Libyan Investment Authority in 2018, that would reflect the performance of an equivalent investment in SocGen’s shares; the bank told the Libyans that, while an equity investment in dollars would be subject to currency fluctuations, a derivatives transaction would hedge that risk, the newspaper said.

The episode is an example of how prominent European and U.S. financial companies did business with President Muammar Qaddafi’s Libya in ways that, whatever the benefits or lack of them for Libya, generated substantial fees for themselves, the FT said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-0 ... ports.html

Coincidence I'm sure.

8bitagent wrote:Anyone care to guess what's coming down the pipeline, and for what reasons?

No. And I really think you should stop predicting what the evil, invisiible overlords have in store for us as well. THEY do not have that much power. OK? So stop assigning it to them. If I had a nickle for every time you said you had a feeling something dark and spooky was "coming down the pipeline', well, I'd have a handfull nickles. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

There now seems to be no coincidence that virtually every single Arab Islamic nation since January from North Africa to the Middle East have erupted into revolutions and chaos.

There was never any coincidence about it. The forces creeating the popular revolts and instability in the middle east are fairly well known in a generalized sense. Please don't trivialize the brave popular revolts in the middle east as being all stage managed by the invisible, all powerful cabal you believe is behind everything that happens in the world. Human beings actually still have some agency to alter their circumstances, you know?

brainpanhandler wrote:No. And I really think you should stop predicting what the evil, invisiible overlords have in store for us as well. THEY do not have that much power. OK? So stop assigning it to them. If I had a nickle for every time you said you had a feeling something dark and spooky was "coming down the pipeline', well, I'd have a handfull nickles. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

8bit should not do any such thing. Let the man predict and speculate all he wants. The power of the elite is self assigned and this is RI. And you wanna talk about "spooky"? You probably have the spookiest avatar out of anyone here. Admit it, you're into spookiness yourself, only it has to emanate out of your mind and not out of simple, friendly conversation with like travelers.

brainpanhandler wrote:.. If I had a nickle for every time you said you had a feeling something dark and spooky was "coming down the pipeline', well, I'd have a handfull nickles big enough to block out the sun. ..

Fixed that for ya.

And i'll add a slab of loud derision over your mild rebuke BPH, it is way beyond a joke how often some posters wank on about how their 'spidey sense is tingling'.
If they were just making fools of themselves, whatev', but the made-up history that often goes with it borders on outright misinformation - "While Indonesia descended into total anarchy in the late 1990's, and later Thailand.." - what utter bullshit.

So, say you have this "spidey sense" and you wanna go somewhere to talk about it. Where would you go? Oh that's right. That's not allowed at RI. Um. Am I missing something? Yes it is allowed. What in tarnation do you think is going on yourselves? This "Arab-summer" is just standard par for the course world history playing itself out? I am for all RI peeps in good standing to speculate all they want, as this is what keeps this place alive. Condescension, though, needs to stop in my eyes. That was 8bits take and he shared it. Leave it at that.

8bitagent wrote:Surprised in all my years in parapolitics I never heard of this fellow [Lupercals former LaRouche-ist, WF Engdahl].

Curious, not even in all your years just on RI? theres nearly a hundred mentions, dating back as far as 2005.

^ I'm all for full disclosure so for anyone dying to chase down that rabbit hole here's a portal:

barracuda wrote:

lupercal wrote:F. William Engdahl

Caveat emptor.

Enjoy. And may I also note that if dodgy pasts are disqualifiers I can think of even dodgier pasts that don't seem to trouble most here one whit. . .

82_28 wrote:8bit should not do any such thing. Let the man predict and speculate all he wants.

I tend to agree, though the scattershot quality and amount of such prognostications does tend to dilute the stunning quality of their occasional realisation. But complaining about these things is fine as well. I mean, 8bit is still gloating about predicting the election of Barack Obama to the presidency, a prediction it seems he shared with over 50% of the American people. Hardly worthy of a seer on the order of Robert Nixon.

lupercal wrote:I can think of even dodgier pasts that don't seem to trouble most here one whit. . .

True enough, depending upon who you might be suggesting. But it's always worth noting when someone such as Engdahl is a Larouchite, and possibly COINTELPRO.

lupercal wrote:^ He says in the interview that a key motive is getting control of their oil and stealing their sovereign wealth funds, and if what's happening in Libya is any indication he's right. I've heard cheerful reports on NPR about the clever ways banksters are planning to steal Libya's sovereign wealth funds invested in the US, which are substantial, and apparently they've stolen quite a lot already, like that $1.2 billion by Goldman Sachs "lost" in six months. Here's another bil that a French outfit managed to "lose":

Bloomberg - Jun 2, 2011

Societe Generale (GLE) SA designed a $1 billion bet on its own shares for Libya’s sovereign wealth fund in March 2008, and the investment had fallen 72 percent in value by the middle of last year, the Financial Times reported, citing documents that it’s reviewed.

The transaction involved a $1 billion note, repayable to the Libyan Investment Authority in 2018, that would reflect the performance of an equivalent investment in SocGen’s shares; the bank told the Libyans that, while an equity investment in dollars would be subject to currency fluctuations, a derivatives transaction would hedge that risk, the newspaper said.

The episode is an example of how prominent European and U.S. financial companies did business with President Muammar Qaddafi’s Libya in ways that, whatever the benefits or lack of them for Libya, generated substantial fees for themselves, the FT said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-0 ... ports.html

Coincidence I'm sure.

At first I was thinking "why is the US, UK, Italy and France pushing so aggressively for war on Libya?" Afterall, all four were big business buddies of Ghadafy as of even January of this year.
I mean if we are to take their criteria at face value, Syria deserves "Western humanitarian intervention" more. Aw, but see...it's not war technically, it's "kinetic military action".
In the last week, a number of articles revealing mysterious bank actions with Libya have come out as you've pointed out and a clearer picture begins to emerge. Why is it that if there is any leftist alt media coverage against the war, it's simply from the perspective of being against US military action for the sake of military action(which I of course am against too) but...they don't go into the larger implications and reasoning. Actually I take that back, I seem to recall a number of stories a couple months ago about banks getting really tidy with the rebel government, as China seems to also be doing now.

For awhile the theme was "popular grassroots uprisings fueled by social media"(Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain, etc) Now, it seems to be all out war. What's your take on Yemen? This is where the Gub'ment claims al Qaeda central now is and where all the alleged "terror plots" comes from. I suspect something much deeper is at play

brainpanhandler wrote:

8bitagent wrote:Anyone care to guess what's coming down the pipeline, and for what reasons?

No. And I really think you should stop predicting what the evil, invisiible overlords have in store for us as well. THEY do not have that much power. OK? So stop assigning it to them. If I had a nickle for every time you said you had a feeling something dark and spooky was "coming down the pipeline', well, I'd have a handfull nickles. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

There now seems to be no coincidence that virtually every single Arab Islamic nation since January from North Africa to the Middle East have erupted into revolutions and chaos.

There was never any coincidence about it. The forces creeating the popular revolts and instability in the middle east are fairly well known in a generalized sense. Please don't trivialize the brave popular revolts in the middle east as being all stage managed by the invisible, all powerful cabal you believe is behind everything that happens in the world. Human beings actually still have some agency to alter their circumstances, you know?

The human heart and condition in every person opposing Western backed autocrat/dictatorships is genuine, noone argues that. And I myself cringe at the idea that the whole situation is either supplanted or co-opted by Western power mongers. When studying the youth led "OTPOR!" peaceful resistance to Slobo and his murderous reign in Serbia circa 2000, I was saddened to find out the CIA was backing the whole thing. And that didn't come from some Alex Jones sight, but listening to NPR, reading PBS, etc.

wintler2 wrote:

brainpanhandler wrote:.. If I had a nickle for every time you said you had a feeling something dark and spooky was "coming down the pipeline', well, I'd have a handfull nickles big enough to block out the sun. ..

Fixed that for ya.

And i'll add a slab of loud derision over your mild rebuke BPH, it is way beyond a joke how often some posters wank on about how their 'spidey sense is tingling'.
If they were just making fools of themselves, whatev', but the made-up history that often goes with it borders on outright misinformation - "While Indonesia descended into total anarchy in the late 1990's, and later Thailand.." - what utter bullshit.

Oh really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... esignation

How does anyone forget this stuff? That new Adam Curtis goes into the chaos that the IMF caused, as well as in the second program the 2004-2005 former Soviet country revolts.

How can people not see that this stuff is scripted? OBL killed on the same day Hitler's death was splashed across US papers. The Royal Wedding happening on the anniversary of Hitler/Eva's wedding. Obama launching the Libyan war the same day as Bush's Iraq in 2003. Hey if it's all coincidence, than I'll eat my hat.

Often my predictions are wrong. I had speculated that Iraq would be balkanized at the behest of Saudi Arabia, which didn't happen. I had predicted Pakistan would have had a collapse internally by now. Speculation and the half joking "spidey sense" comes from the way the wind seems to be blowing. In my Trump thread a few months ago I was arguing against the theory that OBL was already dead or old news, as I had a strong feeling they were saving him for one last story.

I don't feel I cherry pick or mishmash historical events to my own narrative; if anything I'm a student of life and enjoy expanding my own ideas and knowledge base. All I'm saying is there a coincidence all these North African and Middle Eastern nations, right here in 2011 on the way to 2012, are in turmoil?