AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Just wanted to agree that Volin's post was great.
Thirded. It's a classic tale of sound and fury.
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AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Just wanted to agree that Volin's post was great.
Nordic wrote:I'm curious how much major media events had on this timeline as presented by DrVolin.
Such as "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and Whitley Strieber's "Communion".
I was never into these circles, but it seemed to me that these two particular media "hits" had a major impact on the public's perception of UFO's and abductions etc.
Or are we talking about groups of people to whom these events had no impact?
Nordic wrote:I'm curious how much major media events had on this timeline as presented by DrVolin.
Such as "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and Whitley Strieber's "Communion".
I was never into these circles, but it seemed to me that these two particular media "hits" had a major impact on the public's perception of UFO's and abductions etc.
Or are we talking about groups of people to whom these events had no impact?
Nordic wrote:I'm curious how much major media events had on this timeline as presented by DrVolin.
Such as "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and Whitley Strieber's "Communion".
I was never into these circles, but it seemed to me that these two particular media "hits" had a major impact on the public's perception of UFO's and abductions etc.
Or are we talking about groups of people to whom these events had no impact?
AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Searcher08 wrote:At the start of the year, I became very interested in (for want of a better word) high quality physical contact physical (not astral / channeled) experiences.
There seem to be very very few. I tried to find good researchers and found very very few.
It was a case of trying to 'triangulate' good reports. Wendelle Stevens (who passed last year) seemed to do his best to find and document these high quality contacts.
I have no stake in where UFOlogy is "at" as a culture/subculture - as far as the researchers and their followers and theories and feuds go, I could care less. The reality of defence and intelligence infiltration/subversion of their work and ranks is fascinating, but their internal spats aren't.
Speaking of high quality physical contact cases, though, I am intrigued by the Dechmont Law Incident, or the Livingston Incident as it might be more widely known. A forestry worker, Robert Taylor, claims to have been gassed and knocked out by a funny-looking spherical UFO with a ring around it's middle, which had two independent small craft/robots looking like WW2 naval mines inside it/near it, which attacked him.
The case is unique (so far as I know) in three main ways:
1/ It is the only close-encounter I'm aware of that was investigated as such by the police - the incident
was even listed as a "common assault", which means charges could potentially be brought against whoever/whatever did
it in the courts. (!!!)
2/ There was quite a lot of physical evidence, for once - unusual tears in the clothing of the victim, and quite extensive
markings on the ground - and all of this was logged not by the victim, or UFO researchers, or local journalists, but by the
police themselves, who back up the victim's story in it's entirety. There has been an attempt to preserve the area it
happened in.
3/ The victim, Robert Taylor, seemed wholly reliable and pretty motiveless if he was lying, and was otherwise totally
uninterested in UFOs beyond this one incident. He never changed his story in any way over nearly forty years, never
asked for payment or courted publicity (tried to avoid it in fact), and was believed by pretty much everyone who heard him tell the tale, which he didn't often.
This video, despite having very bad sound syncing, is a decent short recounting of what happened:
I hope those torn trousers were tested for radioacivity.
Here's a programme made later in his life, with the story still unchanged.
It also helps that all the counter-theories to explain what happened in a "sceptical" way are wholly ridiculous, but we'll come to that if anybody wants to talk about Dechmont Law. Wikipedia is actually a pretty good starting point on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taylor_incident
As for whether the defence crew have won the UFO culture wars, I'd say yes, and they probably won in about 1945.
Attack Ships on Fire wrote:Put another way: suppose the gov't says UFOs are real, and they're piloted by what we believe are ETs. Then suppose we have another Point Pleasant/Mothman flap, which clearly goes far beyond what the general public understands as mysterious phenomena. Do you think the public is ready to accept that tulpas could be real, or that they now need to consider that there can be these things called ultraterrestrials when they're just getting a grip on the existence of extraterrestrials?
I don't think that you can pull apart and explain the UFO mystery anymore without accepting that it's deeply connected with certain areas of high strangeness. That's why I think present day ufology has struck a wall and isn't moving forward. It can't because we need to pull back to see the bigger picture, and since it's so strange to comprehend, it's going to take more time for ufologists to start to see beyond the weirdness and examine it from a more grounded perspective.
Joe Hillshoist wrote:
Someone needs to make a series of documented attempts to get large groups of people focusing on manifesting ufos over public areas with high visibility, while they're tripping on shrooms. That'd be the next real step forward in UFOlogy
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