Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby cptmarginal » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:57 am

Excerpt from the most recent missive from The All Red Line (Rune Soup newsletter)

A new documentary was released this month: Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers. (It’s slightly cheaper on Google Play in my market. Check there, Vimeo and iTunes in your own markets.) Whilst it’s a bit over-produced for my taste, it is probably worth a watch. Nobody credible in ufology thinks Bob Lazar is lying or is a deliberate disinformation agent. The (oxymoron alert) ‘credible ufological consensus’ is that he definitely saw what he claims to have seen, but that it was arranged for him to see it and disclose it.

This is likely true, but it seems insufficiently so. The documentary gives further information about his childhood, including interviews with his mother telling stories of young Bob making rocket bikes as a kid in Florida. (Shades of Jack Parsons.) That sort of thing tends to ping you on the breakaway radar pretty early on. If so, the apparent inconsistencies in his work history are shown in a new light. If you were head of HR for the breakaways, you would hire based on natural aptitude and personality type because the university degrees and public employment history are largely irrelevant to the material and challenges you’d be expected to work on. It would not surprise me if Lazar had been ‘moved around the board’ from an earlier age than many people suspect, and by a hand powerful enough to lazily erase some of the paper trail and get away with it.

(Personal sidebar: I won a science competition in my first year of high school and was sent with all the other winners to spend a weekend at a ‘science camp’ near a nuclear facility outside Sydney, a ‘reward’ paid for by the sponsoring energy company. Me and the rest of the gaggle of 13-year-old nerds got to play exciting ‘games’ like sitting in a circle and answering the sort of questions typically reserved for MI6 job interviews. ‘What’s the earliest colour you remember?’ comes to mind. This was in Australia, so think about how that plays out in proper countries.)

It would both surprise and alarm me if Lazar’s claims about Zeta Reticuli and grey aliens have much accuracy. But if you’re the breakaways, you gotta tell the employees something before you wheel out the crazy-ass materials you’re paying them to work on. Think of it like shooting a movie under a fake working title. (‘Blue Harvest’ for ‘Return of the Jedi’ being the most famous example.) Plus, the wackier the story, the quicker it invalidates itself should it ever get out.

And as I was writing this newsletter, a reader shared a fascinating news story with me (that is unfortunately published in a paper that stretches the definition of ‘news’ beyond even Trump’s) on some additional FOIA releases pertaining to MKULTRA.

I know I mention this a lot, but of all the toys in the archon toy box you should have the most robust understanding of for this point in the timeline, it is mind control first, then ‘non-traditionally propelled craft’ (Lockheed-made flying saucers, etc) second. Mind control is all over these new documents: mind control of large groups, use of tone of voice, use of electronic equipment, use of subdermal devices, classic hypnosis… the whole thing.

You need only slide the investment dial up forty years to today to reach the cautiously informed opinion that mind control capacities may be just shy of total. And even if that isn’t the case, it is simply better strategy to at least table the notion when you are developing your personal analysis of events that otherwise look like mere lunacy. Erring on the side of paranoia in this instance is ironically better for your medium term mental health.

I mention both the mind control stuff and the ‘either there are US-made flying saucers or the strategic need to pretend at tremendous and convoluted expense that there are US-made flying saucers’ during the same week that saw George Bush Snr presumably returned to Hell the way Caesar would enter Rome because so much of the MK and breakaway stuff was sent dark first and then private second specifically by him as his career moved from CIA to high political office during the exact time frame under discussion. (Lazar first appeared in the media a couple of months after Bush Snr became President.)

Given the trajectory of the entire Bush family before and after this incident, I want to end on a note that is more positive than it may first initially appear: We actually do know more of ‘the story’ than it appears. We have the combination of paper trails, specific families and dynasties involved in it, movements of money, changes to laws around secrecy and government contractors, share performances of military industrial companies, and so on.

What slows down our learning metabolism more than anything else is an unwillingness to let go of hypotheses we’ve sunk a lot of cost and energy into but either no longer appear to be in play or were never in play: petrodollars, the return of gold-backed currencies, single-origin explanations for UFO phenomena, etc.

For 2019, commit to developing both a cycle and a flow model (same thing, more or less) of sufficient robustness that it can provide you with an ever-improving frame for understanding our ongoing shitshow.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby conniption » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:18 pm

Personally am not a fan of Steven Greer, but there is this video with transcript at the following link:

https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/45151 ... gence-ufo/

3 people from my team, including ex-CIA director, were assassinated – ufologist
Published time: 15 Feb, 2019

Talks of UFOs hovering in the skies have been exciting researchers and the general public for decades. Are we being watched from above, and are we ready for encountering the unknown? We ask Dr Steven Greer, director of the Center for the Study of Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence and the Disclosure Project.

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https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/45151 ... gence-ufo/
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:28 pm

Greer again? Lazar again? Fuck me. Jesus.

UFOlogy is the study of UFOlogists.I resent the fact it took me so long to grok that. It's one of the purest expressions of the Socratic Cave Theater we've got, outside of actual cinema.

Like cinema, like music, it becomes an industry and that industry runs on cyclical trends & modern re-tellings of the classic stories.

If the results of all our diligent studies are any indication, Vallee was right that all this is a control system, a prison for apes. It's endlessly engaging stuff and we always wind up exactly where we started.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby RocketMan » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:45 pm

Thanks conniption for bringing WombRex back into the mix. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Greer will get one's dander up, I grant you that. And the source is RT, I see...

Anyhoo, nice to see you Wombat. We need more woo here. REAL WOO, dammit, the kind they don't show even on RT.

Wombaticus Rex » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:28 pm wrote:Greer again? Lazar again? Fuck me. Jesus.

UFOlogy is the study of UFOlogists.I resent the fact it took me so long to grok that. It's one of the purest expressions of the Socratic Cave Theater we've got, outside of actual cinema.

Like cinema, like music, it becomes an industry and that industry runs on cyclical trends & modern re-tellings of the classic stories.

If the results of all our diligent studies are any indication, Vallee was right that all this is a control system, a prison for apes. It's endlessly engaging stuff and we always wind up exactly where we started.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:39 pm

From Vol. 4:

Hummingbird. Thursday 29 April 1993.

Until recently one could argue before the technical community that lack of funding had hampered UFO investigation. This is no longer the case. In the last few years UFO advocates and abduction researchers have had large sums at their disposal:Grants for digs at Roswell, funding by Mr. Bigelow and Prince Hans-Adam for the Roper survey, financing of conferences, the meeting in Cambridge, and current abduction studies, reach well over half a million dollars. This doesn't include monies given to the Fund for UFO Research.

Any scientific panel reviewing the field will have a right to ask what has resulted from such spending. The answer is: very little, and it isn't even accessible in a form that permits independent assessment.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby Elvis » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:04 am

Unfamiliar with The Drive and the writer, but saw this somewhere, and I think I heard about it on C2C. haven't digested the whole thing and unsure what meaning it may have. But it seems significant. Links in original.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... of-defense
What The Hell Is Going On With UFOs And The Department Of Defense?

Someone or something appears to have some extremely advanced technology and the Pentagon is actively changing the nature of the conversation about it.

By Tyler RogowayApril 26, 2019
twitter.com/Aviation_Intel


Few stories have garnered more requests from our readers for commentary than the recent news that the Navy has decided to very publicly change its reporting rules and procedures for when its personnel observes an unexplained phenomenon like a UFO and a USO. There have been wildly varying takes on this sudden change, but the truth is that it is very hard to know what to make of it considering how absurd it sounds—the Navy now wants to know about unidentified craft that can penetrate airspace over its installations and around its most capable naval vessels with impunity? Shouldn't that be a default position for a service tasked with defending American interests and controlling vast swathes of area above, below, and on the surface of the Earth?

Politico was first to report on the Navy's new directions for reporting unexplained objects operating in the same environment as its vessels and aircraft. Politico's Bryan Bender writes:

"There have been a number of reports of unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft entering various military-controlled ranges and designated air space in recent years," the Navy said in a statement in response to questions from POLITICO. "For safety and security concerns, the Navy and the [U.S. Air Force] takes these reports very seriously and investigates each and every report."

"As part of this effort," it added, "the Navy is updating and formalizing the process by which reports of any such suspected incursions can be made to the cognizant authorities. A new message to the fleet that will detail the steps for reporting is in draft."

To be clear, the Navy isn’t endorsing the idea that its sailors have encountered alien spacecraft. But it is acknowledging there have been enough strange aerial sightings by credible and highly trained military personnel that they need to be recorded in the official record and studied — rather than dismissed as some kooky phenomena from the realm of science-fiction.


The Washington Post did their own follow-up to Politico's story, stating:

Recently, unidentified aircraft have entered military-designated airspace as often as multiple times per month, Joseph Gradisher, spokesman for office of the deputy chief of naval operations for information warfare, told The Washington Post on Wednesday.

Citing safety and security concerns, Gradisher vowed to “investigate each and every report.”

He said, “We want to get to the bottom of this. We need to determine who’s doing it, where it’s coming from and what their intent is. We need to try to find ways to prevent it from happening again.”


The Washington Post did their own follow-up to Politico's story, stating:

Recently, unidentified aircraft have entered military-designated airspace as often as multiple times per month, Joseph Gradisher, spokesman for office of the deputy chief of naval operations for information warfare, told The Washington Post on Wednesday.

Citing safety and security concerns, Gradisher vowed to “investigate each and every report.”

He said, “We want to get to the bottom of this. We need to determine who’s doing it, where it’s coming from and what their intent is. We need to try to find ways to prevent it from happening again.”

This reality has led to much speculation, and rightfully so, that the military knows far more about these strange happenings than they are willing to let on, at least on the surface. Otherwise, why wouldn't they want to know more about intruders wielding fantastic technology that makes them impervious to existing countermeasures and defenses?

Now all this appears to be changing on a grand level, but why?
The technology is real

The fact is that we actually know that in the last 15 years, under at least some circumstances, the military has wanted certain high-fidelity data related to encounters with what many would call UFOs. The most compelling encounter of our time, at least that we know of, occurred in and around where the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group was operating during workups to deployment in 2004.

The incident, or really the series of incidents as they occurred over a number of days, have become near legendary in nature as the witnesses involved are highly credible in nature and numerous. In addition, we have official reports detailing the incident that convey a very compelling story, as well as hours of testimony from those who were there—a group of sailors and naval aviators that seems to be emerging more and more out of the shadows with each passing day.

This is a very basic, but a well-produced overview of the main 'Tic Tac' incident. I highly recommend you read the story linked above and the report embedded in it for a much deeper understanding of the events that occurred over multiple days around the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group in 2004:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6ox_F0auwM

When it comes to the so-called "Tic Tac" incident that involved the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group off the Baja Peninsula in 2004, conclusions that are nearly impossible not to draw from it are so reality warping that even the forward-thinking aerospace community doesn't seem to have even begun coming to terms with them.

The main revelation is that technology exists that is capable of performing flying maneuvers that shatter our perceptions of propulsion, flight controls, material science, and even physics. Let me underline this again for you, the Nimitz encounter with the Tic Tac proved that exotic technology that is widely thought of as the domain of science fiction actually exists. It is real. It isn't the result of altered perception, someone's lucid dream, a stray weather balloon, or swamp gas. Someone or something has crossed the technological Rubicon and has obtained what some would call the Holy Grail of aerospace engineering.

This reality is very hard to process for many. There is always an out for some in the form of claiming an odd impromptu conspiracy or some hollow explanation that doesn't pass muster beyond the first paragraph, but in the end, it happened. As uncomfortable as that fact is, it's reality. So, we need to use this event as a lodestar going forward when it comes to evaluating and contemplating what is possible and where truth actually lies.

Here are video interviews of some of those who were there. Some are quite informal, but they give a good idea of what individuals' unique perceptions were of the events in question:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCaruUtiPHo



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz2gdQaklBQ



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfxavE5B-IE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV6M4MKoLnk



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHi5UfIu1wo


What many may not know about this event is that it occurred in a place and time where the most powerful set of aerial surveillance sensors ever created were amassed together and were watching and recording it all. And it is the recording part that is maybe the most interesting facet of the Nimitz encounters that has largely been passed over in terms of significance and notoriety.


Ideal test conditions

What most don't realize is that the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group wasn't just equipped with some of the most advanced sensors the world had to offer, but that it also had hands-down the most advanced networking and computer processing capability of any such system. Dubbed Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC), this integrated air defense system architecture was just being fielded on a Strike Group level for the first time aboard Nimitz and the rest of its flotilla.

Our readers are familiar with CEC and the follow-on iterations that have come since, as we talk about the concepts behind them often. At its very basic level, it uses the Strike Group's diverse and powerful surveillance sensors, including the SPY-1 radars on Aegis Combat System-equipped cruisers and destroyers, as well as the E-2C Hawkeye's radar picture from on high, and fuses that information into a common 'picture' via data-links and advanced computer processing. This, in turn, provides very high fidelity 'tracks' of targets thanks to telemetry from various sensors operating at different bands and looking at the same target from different aspects and at different ranges.

Whereas a stealthy aircraft or one employing electronic warfare may start to disappear on a cruiser's radar as it is viewing the aircraft from the surface of the Earth and from one angle, it may still be very solid on the E-2 Hawkeye's radar that is orbiting at 25,000 feet and a hundred miles away from the cruiser. With CEC, the target will remain steady on both platform's CEC enabled screens as they are seeing fused data from both sources and likely many others as well.

We are talking about a quantum leap in capability and fidelity here folks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHHrQSFWh1I


The data-link connectivity and the quality of the enhanced telemetry means that weapons platforms, such as ships and aircraft, could also fire on targets without needing to use their own sensor data. For instance, a cruiser could fire a missile at a low-flying aircraft that is being tracked by a Hawkeye and an F/A-18 even though it doesn't show up on their own scopes. This capability continues to evolve and mature today and will be the linchpin of any peer-state naval battle of the future that the U.S. is involved with. But back in 2004, it was new and untested on the scale presented by the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group as it churned through the warning areas off the Baja Coast.

The key takeaway here is that if ever there was an opportune time to capture the very best real-world sensor data on a high-performance target in near lab-like controlled settings offered by the restricted airspace off the Baja Coast, this was it. And by intention or chance, this is exactly what happened.

Someone within the DoD was very interested

By multiple accounts from vetted first-hand sources, the hard drives that record CEC data from the E-2C Hawkeye and Aegis-equipped ships were seized in a very mysterious fashion following the Tic Tac incident. Uniformed U.S. Air Force officers showed up on these vessels and confiscated the devices and they were never to be seen again. This is not rumor or hearsay, this is attested to by multiple uniformed witnesses that were on the vessels that made up the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group at the time.

At the same time, on an official level, the Navy seemed to shut down any further investigation into the incident. The aforementioned after-action report states that the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group’s senior intelligence officer, whose name is redacted, alerted the Navy’s 3rd Fleet intelligence officer, or N2, about the incident via secure Email. That same Email, known as a Mission Report (MISREP), included the video footage and other details.

For unexplained reasons, officials at the 3rd Fleet N2 declined to send this report up the chain of command. They also deleted the MISREP, but speculated that paper copy should have been available. However, there is no indication that anyone went looking for this physical copy of the MISREP during the investigation.

When interviewed, the Nimitz Strike Group’s senior intelligence officer also offered up the opinion that “he believed it [the UFO] was part of a counterdrug operation based on the area of operations,” which seems wholly incongruous with the available information.

As such, even though there is no official indication that an investigation into the events that week ever occurred at a very high level beyond after-action reports, we know someone within the military had a very high interest in what went on and wanted the high-fidelity radar data collected from the Strike Group. Not just deleted, but seized, potentially for exploitation.

So yeah, someone was highly interested in this event within the DoD. Whether that was because it was of an unexplained nature or part of a test of a very capable secret aerospace program, remains unclear.
Could it be ours?

The latter possibility is also very hard for people to come to terms with—that this capability could belong to the U.S. military. There is no better place to test such a system than against the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group with its CEC abilities during its workup off the Baja Coast. It is not an operational environment. Aircraft are not armed and nobody is expecting a fight. It is high-level integrated training with crews that have sharpened skills as they prepare for a cruise in which they could very well be called upon to fight for their country. Those warning areas and range complexes that extend out and down from the Channel Islands off the SoCal coast are among the best space the U.S. military has for training and testing advanced hardware and tactics in a secure and sanitized environment.

In other words, it was an ideal testing environment that featured the very best aerial, surface, and undersea surveillance sensors and sensor crews on the planet.

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In addition, the fact is that the U.S. government has poured the equivalent of tens of billions of dollars each year into the black budget for the better part of a century. The idea that somewhere along the way they got lucky and made major breakthroughs in highly exotic technologies may not be convenient to believe as a possibility for those that have grander visions for the unexplained, but I contend that it is quite plausible. In fact, it mirrors the cryptic statements made by top players in the dark areas of aerospace development, such as those of the late Ben Rich, a Lockheed's Skunk Works chief that is largely credited for giving birth to stealth technology as we know it today. For instance, Rich told Popular Mechanics the following that underscores just how long major breakthroughs in man-made clandestine aerospace technology can stay hidden:

"There are some new programs, and there are certain things, some of them 20 or 30 years old, that are still breakthroughs and appropriate to keep quiet about [because] other people don’t have them yet."


Clearly, the ability to defy the limits of traditional propulsion and lift-borne flight would be the pinnacle of aerospace and electrical engineering and could be far too sensitive to disclose, at least in some people's eyes within the national security establishment. Even the risk of testing this technology against known air defense capabilities would have to be weighed against the need for the tightest of secrecy. But since UFOs carry such a stigma and have deep pop culture roots in our society, the risk of doing so against an unknowing Carrier Strike Group operating under tight training restrictions seems small and the setting uniquely ideal.

In other words, could the Tic Tac have been ours?

Yes.

The same could be said of our adversaries. They too could have made some breakthroughs in highly exotic propulsion technology, but I find this less likely due to their more limited resources. But it is still possible.

Yet at the same time, we know that whoever that craft belonged to, the information the flotilla collected on it was of great importance to some entity within the DoD. And the fact that just the radar data was seized makes sense in that the extent of the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group radar network could not be replicated over land during small-scale testing, or via a chance encounters with military aircraft. Electro-optical data could. The Nimitz Carrier Strike Group represented literally the sum of many parts spread out over a large area and made up of tens of billions of dollars in assets operating with the best technology available at the time.

With all this in mind, the idea that the Navy is supposedly just now interested in what its aviators and sailors see when it comes to unexplained craft peculiar and nebulous, to say the least. One can't help but feel there are two realities at play within America's defense apparatus—one that sits on or very near the surface and one that resides deep below it.


Information warfare

If the DoD truly has no idea of what these things are, then it seems absurd that it is just now curious about them after the better part of a century of sightings and even major encounters, including many having to do with its own installations and personnel. In fact, we know that isn't historically the case and that there has been varying degrees of documented interest in the topic over the years, including funded studies as recently as the last decade in the form of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program—better known as AATIP—and who knows what else we don't know about.

But even AATIP, like the statements we are getting from the Navy today, could have been something designed to emerge into the public domain. One could posit the peculiar assembly of To The Stars Academy, a hybrid entertainment and UFO research corporation assembled by ex-Blink 182 frontman Tom DeLonge that has oddly attracted a number of impressive team members from the defense, aerospace, and intelligence community, is also a government-manufactured—or at least encouraged—information conduit of sorts, at least to some degree. Nearly all of the individuals on its impressive roster are fresh off long careers working, in one way or another, for the government and holding very high-security clearances to do so. This includes Luis Elizondo, the same guy who supposedly ran AATIP for the Defense Intelligence Agency up until its shuttering in 2012.

Watch DeLonge on Joe Rogan for an idea of just how questionable this whole arrangement sounds:

[video at link]

This, folks, is where the rabbit hole of information and disinformation opens up below us. There is no way around it. With the vacuum of verifiable information that the government has created on the matter, and all the rumor and speculation, one's truth compass begins to spin with reckless abandon as you dig into these issues. It is not only about what is real and what is not real, but it is also about what does the government want us to believe and not to believe. The truth could be the eventual goal, but getting there may include a long trail of often stale factoid crumbs that seem to lead in puzzling directions. In other words, even if the government wants the truth to come out eventually, it seems alarmingly clear they are going to do it on their own terms, and the timeline for that plan could be measured in decades, not years, or more.

On the other hand, putting a possible goal of disclosure aside, there is also a very real reason why the Pentagon would want the idea of UFOs injected back into the public's consciousness and even to add validity to it. Doing so is in itself a very old chapter in Uncle Sam's information warfare playbook. During the Cold War, the government actively lied about UFOs and perpetuated UFO hysteria to cover up its secret aircraft programs. They literally spread disinformation to the public in order to create a wonderfully convenient cover for the myriad clandestine weapon systems in development or operational at the time. Now, we are once again back in an age of "great power competition," according to the Pentagon, and billions of dollars are being pumped into new technologies that were considered exotic themselves just years ago. With this in mind, reanimating maybe the best and most broadly self-perpetuating cover story of all time for sightings of clandestine aircraft that people see in the sky seems like a highly logical and proven act.

As I have said over and over again, the sky, and the things we are accustomed to seeing inhabiting it, is going to look increasingly different in the very near term. Hypersonics, drone swarms, directed energy weapons, and a full-on emerging arms race in space are just some of the very real activities and technologies that will dominate the near future of American weapons development. The products of all of these initiatives, once manifested, could appear positively alien to curious bystanders.

The military will be able to explain some of this, but some of it they won't. So, reinvigorating the presence of UFOs in the American psyche by adding heaps of validity to the topic on an official level and possibly also on a less than official level (To The Stars Academy for instance) can help keep secret programs that grace the skies just that, secret. And who knows, that list of programs and technologies could include the very Tic Tac and other bizarrely shaped craft that can defy imagination with their aerial feats that have been spotted and even recorded in recent years. In fact, if the U.S. military has such a capability, the UFO cover story would be imperative to keeping the nature of its existence under wraps.

The game has changed

If the Pentagon really doesn't know what these things are or where they come from, after so many years of sightings and odd encounters and its own studies and shadowy probes, then that would be an unfathomable dereliction of duty considering they are, you know, tasked with keeping America safe from the foreign harm. But really, how can we believe the idea that the military has zero opinion on the matter. It seems like a laughable proposition at best. If there is anything they would have high interest in, it would be craft capable of decimating the enemy on a whim.

With all that being said, what does the Navy's move to change its procedures and rules in regards to reporting UFOs mean?

Nothing, at least not definitively.

Is it a case of one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing? Is it just a relevant move in this new era of heightened power competition with peer state adversaries? Or is somehow part of a broader information campaign with unidentified goals?

We can't say for sure, but a mix of all of those things and more is certainly possible. The reality is the entire narrative, and at times the lack thereof, on UFOs from the Department of Defense, is a total mess of contradictory statements and historical facts.

Whatever the truth is, the landscape when it comes to the U.S. government and its relation to unexplained objects in the sky and in our oceans is clearly changing.

To what end remains just as much a mystery as the fantastic vehicles themselves.


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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby BenDhyan » Mon May 27, 2019 8:48 pm

Navy pilots spotted UFOs flying at hypersonic speeds: report

By Tamar Lapin May 27, 2019

Some US Navy pilots reported spotting UFOs while training over the East Coast in 2014 and 2015, they said in a recent New York Times report.

The pilots told the paper they saw “strange objects” with “no visible engine or infared exhaust plumes” reaching at least 30,000 feet and flying at hypersonic speeds almost daily while training off the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt.

“These things would be out there all day,” said Lt. Ryan Graves, an F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot who has been with the Navy for 10 years and who said he reported the sightings to the Pentagon and Congress.

“Keeping an aircraft in the air requires a significant amount of energy. With the speeds we observed, 12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.”

The unidentified flying objects were seen performing maneuvers that were “beyond the physical limits of a human crew,” like stopping rapidly, turning instantly or immediately accelerating at hypersonic speeds, the pilots said.

The sightings were reported to the Pentagon’s shadowy Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, which, as The Post exclusively reported earlier this month, confirmed they still investigate claimed sightings of alien spacecraft.

In late 2014, a Super Hornet pilot said he almost hit one of the objects — which he said looked like a sphere encasing a cube — and an official mishap report was filed.

Another pilot, Lt. Danny Accoin said he could identify a flying object on his radar, missile system and infared camera but couldn’t actually see it in his helmet camera.

“I knew I had it, I knew it was not a false hit,” Accoin said. But still, “I could not pick it up visually.”

A minute-long video included in the article appears to show two encounters with the enigmatic phenomena. In one of the clips, pilots appear confused by what they’re seeing on their radar screens.

“Look at that thing. It’s rotating,” one of them said.
see also
The Pentagon finally admits it investigates UFOs

At first the pilots interviewed in the report thought the objects were part of a top-secret drone program.

But after the near-collision they changed their minds, reasoning that government officials knew there were fighter pilots in the area and would not send drones to get in the way.

Navy spokesman Joseph Gradisher said it’s unclear what caused the sightings detailed in the article. The Times report comes after the Navy in April sent out a new classified guidance for how to report the “unexplained aerial phenomena.”

“There were a number of different reports,” Gradisher said. Some cases could have been commercial drones, he added.

But, in other cases: “we don’t know who’s doing this, we don’t have enough data to track this. So the intent of the message to the fleet is to provide updated guidance on reporting procedures for suspected intrusions into our airspace.”

Neither Graves nor the other pilots or the Department of Defense would speculate on what the objects were.

“We’re here to do a job, with excellence, not make up myths,” one pilot said.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/27/navy-pilots-spotted-ufos-flying-at-hypersonic-speeds-report/

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue May 28, 2019 7:05 pm

Most recent wave of coverage indicates we were right about what "To The Stars Academy" implied: the boys are back in town. This should be an interesting summer for a lot of reasons, but I'm curious if we'll see some UAP flaps with phone camera coverage at scale, finally. Mass sightings with .mp4 documentation.

Or, you know, just more bullshit from the usual spooks. We take what we get, here in the cheap seats.

Excellent dissection of American Cosmic here:
https://auticulture.com/when-wonder-occ ... formation/

I definitely came away from that book with a profound respect for whoever chose her - Pasulka is a perfect mark for this con. Also a really fine writer, just like Whitley.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed May 29, 2019 7:47 am

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Agreed: that was an excellent dissection by Jasun/Guruilla. I considered purchasing American Cosmic but may instead opt for Jason Horsley's Prisoner of Infinity instead.

Core truths sometimes have the best opportunity to be brought to light during times of great deceit.

Or perhaps I'm too much of an idealist.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby guruilla » Thu May 30, 2019 12:45 pm

Belligerent Savant » Wed May 29, 2019 7:47 am wrote:Core truths sometimes have the best opportunity to be brought to light during times of great deceit.

That's how I see it too.

Belligerent Savant » Wed May 29, 2019 7:47 am wrote:Or perhaps I'm too much of an idealist.

It's dark optimism, or transcendental realism.

Acc to Mark Stavish (on FB) "The mainstream media is getting more money and controlled access as are certain academics. This was discussed at the 2019 IHS conference" (Institute for Hermetic Studies) & Pasulka's name "was brought up"
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby elfismiles » Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:26 am

THE MEDIA LOVES THIS UFO EXPERT WHO SAYS HE WORKED FOR AN OBSCURE PENTAGON PROGRAM. DID HE?
Keith Kloor / June 1 2019, 6:00 a.m.
https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo ... -pentagon/
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby BenDhyan » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:07 am

I would love to hear the Pentagon's understanding on those present technology impossible maneuvers witnessed by the US navy.in 2004 and 2014, 2015.

Senators get classified briefing on UFO sightings

By BRYAN BENDER 06/19/2019

Three more U.S. senators received a classified Pentagon briefing on Wednesday about a series of reported encounters by the Navy with unidentified aircraft, according to congressional and government officials — part of a growing number of requests from members of key oversight committees.

One of them was Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, whose office confirmed the briefing to POLITICO.

“If naval pilots are running into unexplained interference in the air, that’s a safety concern Senator Warner believes we need to get to the bottom of,” his spokesperson, Rachel Cohen, said in a statement.

The interest in “unidentified aerial phenomenon” has grown since revelations in late 2017 that the Pentagon had set up a program to study the issue at the request of then-Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.). Officials interviewed multiple current and former sailors and aviators who claim to have encountered highly advanced aircraft that appeared to defy the laws of aerodynamics when they intruded on protected military airspace — some of which were captured on video and made public.

The Navy has played a prominent role in light of the testimony of F/A-18 pilots and other personnel operating with the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier battle group off California in 2004 and the USS Theodore Roosevelt in the Atlantic in 2015 and 2016.

The growing congressional interest is credited for playing a major role in the service’s recent decision to update the procedures for pilots and other personnel to report such unexplained sightings, which POLITICO first reported in April.

“In response to requests for information from Congressional members and staff, Navy officials have provided a series of briefings by senior Naval Intelligence officials as well as aviators who reported hazards to aviation safety,” the service said in a statement to POLITICO at the time.

The Navy had no immediate comment on Wednesday, and few details of the latest secret sessions were available.

They come several days after President Donald Trump told ABC News that he, too, had been briefed on the reports. “I did have one very brief meeting on it,” he said. “But people are saying they’re seeing UFOs. Do I believe it? Not particularly.”

But several current and former officials with direct knowledge describe the Capitol Hill briefing as the latest for members of Congress and their staff representing the Intelligence, Armed Services and Defense Appropriations panels.

“There are people coming out of the woodwork,” said one former government official who has participated in some of the meetings.

A current intelligence official added: “More requests for briefings are coming in.”

The sessions have been organized by the Navy but have also included staff from the under secretary of Defense for Intelligence, the sources said. Both were not authorized to talk publicly about the briefings.

Advocates for giving the mystery greater attention say they hope Congress will take more formal steps, such as requiring the Department of Defense to collect and complete a detailed analysis of data collected by satellites and other means of unidentified craft intruding into military airspace or operating under the sea.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/19/warner-classified-briefing-ufos-1544273

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby BenDhyan » Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:20 pm

^ So President Trump received a classified briefing as well, and I find his reply when asked about UFOs interesting. Since it was classified, he would not be able to just say so publicly if there were, so his answer "I personally doubt it", immediately followed by implying that credible professionals witnesses report that they see them, leaves me with the impression that his answer was balanced so as not to breach secrecy on the one hand, but also not to outright deny it. since if it is true, it is just a matter of time before it is officially revealed, and he would be seen to have told an outright lie. Just my thoughts at the moment.

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby PufPuf93 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:25 pm

Maybe the thread title should be "What is current UFOlogy News"?

Ufology is mostly entertainment and money-making schemes these days.

There are pictures and a video at the link.

'Storm Area 51': Nye County, Nevada, declares an emergency order

Ed Komenda, Reno Gazette Journal


LAS VEGAS — For the second time this month, commissioners in a rural Nevada county have pre-signed an emergency declaration ahead of the "Storm Area 51" event that's drawn more than 2 million RSVPs on Facebook.

On Wednesday, Nye County commissioners voted 4-0 to approve the declaration in preparation for the mysterious affair that could draw thousands of curious visitors to the desert.
Commissioner John Koenig confirmed the board passed the pre-emptive declaration, but he declined to comment, directing all questions to spokesman Arnold Knightly.
The USA TODAY Network could not immediately reach Knightly for comment.

California resident Matty Roberts created the event – called "Storm Area 51, They Can't Stop All of Us" – in June after listening to an episode of the “Joe Rogan Experience” podcast. The tongue-in-cheek event scheduled for Sept. 20 quickly generated millions of accepted invitations.

© Ed Komenda / Reno Gazette Journal This is the Amargosa Valley, a far-flung fill-up spot in the Nevada desert where more than 1.7 millions Facebook users have RSVP'd to raid Area 51.
'Storm Area 51': Lincoln County in rural Nevada to declare emergency


Nye County is home to Amargosa Valley, the original site of the Area 51 raid, but the event has been shifted to Lincoln County in the town of Rachel. The self-proclaimed "UFO Capital of the World," Rachel is located on State Route 375, dubbed in 1996 the "Extraterrestrial Highway."

On Aug. 19, commissioners in Lincoln County also voted to pre-sign an emergency declaration, which allows the state to supply resources in the event that a rural county needs help.
The actual Area 51 site is a classified military facility set inside a test and training range roughly the size of Connecticut. Intrigue surrounding the impenetrable desert compound for decades has fueled conspiracy theories and local lore about what exactly goes on there.

Air Force spokeswoman Laura McAndrews said in a statement to USA TODAY that military officials were aware of the event that aims to uncover what many people believe are conspiratorial secrets of the military installation in Nevada.

McAndrews didn't specify any security plans at the base, but she did warn those thinking of entering the area.

"The Nevada Test and Training Range is an area where the Air Force tests and trains combat aircraft," McAndrews. "Any attempt to illegally access military installations or military training areas is dangerous."

This article originally appeared on Reno Gazette Journal: 'Storm Area 51': Nye County, Nevada, declares an emergency order

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/storm ... li=BBnb7Kz
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:50 am

PufPuf, if you look in our index of Subject Forums and scroll down the page, you'll see "Ufos and High Weirdness" listed: http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewforum.php?f=29. Though we've discussed Area 51 and related events to it in the past, there seems no subforum dedicated to discussing it in the Ufos and High Weirdness thread, so perhaps you'd consider beginning one? There we could discuss further 'Storm Area 51'.
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