20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby Nordic » Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:11 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:Only poets and anonymous government sources can find adequate words for this tragic loss. Luckily, the very first poster in the WP comments box happens to be a poet:

getcentered wrote:
The Eyes of the Warrior

Give nothing up. Show nothing but force.
Be proud. It won’t get to you.
The mission at hand. Stay focused.
The justifications. That is not your job.
The training. You have to trust.
Your peers. You are confident.

Smoke check. Smoke check.
The tears in the eyes of a warrior are dried by the fire.

Smoke check. Smoke check.
The eyes of a warrior are dry by tears withheld.

Smoke check. Smoke check.
Now is not the time a warrior cries.

When it is time, you will see it like I have

Tears in the eyes of a warrior.



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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:18 pm

So.

Farewell then,
Not-OBL-Hit-Team.

Like my friend
Keith,
You did
Not
Personally avenge 9/11,
But you
Were at least
On the same
Team as the Avengers,
Unlike Keith.

And that
Is
Something.

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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby kenoma » Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:34 pm

So.

Farewell then
SEALS
You killed
Bin Laden
Clap
Clap
Clap.
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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:40 pm

Talking of poetry, this reminds me of the last act of Hamlet. Not only because all of the main characters end up dead, but because it's all fictional.
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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby Simulist » Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:53 pm

But at least with Hamlet, the play would soon be over. :wink
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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby DrVolin » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:02 pm

And everyone goes home when the curtain falls.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby kenoma » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:06 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:Talking of poetry, this reminds me of the last act of Hamlet. Not only because all of the main characters end up dead, but because it's all fictional.


Take up the bodies: such a sight as this
Becomes the field, but here shows much amiss.
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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:51 pm

"S'blood, do you think I am easier to be played on than a pipe?"
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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby wintler2 » Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:09 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:...so many birds with one stone...Perhaps on the same day you attributed the US economic CRASH to the cost of war.
What would 'remind' you that It Was Worth It?...


Wall Street Crashes August 6 2011 - Google Search...


Thematically it fits. If we're assuming the crash was an inside hit on the SEALS, then the hitter surely had some discretion on when to do it. Doing it when markets crash (as they were always going to with end of QE2) would minimise attention regardless of if HMWs keyword association is incorrect.
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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby kenoma » Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:22 pm

wintler2 wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:...so many birds with one stone...Perhaps on the same day you attributed the US economic CRASH to the cost of war.
What would 'remind' you that It Was Worth It?...


Wall Street Crashes August 6 2011 - Google Search...


Thematically it fits. If we're assuming the crash was an inside hit on the SEALS, then the hitter surely had some discretion on when to do it. Doing it when markets crash (as they were always going to with end of QE2) would minimise attention regardless of if HMWs keyword association is incorrect.


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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby kenoma » Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:21 pm

kenoma wrote:
wintler2 wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:...so many birds with one stone...Perhaps on the same day you attributed the US economic CRASH to the cost of war.
What would 'remind' you that It Was Worth It?...


Wall Street Crashes August 6 2011 - Google Search...


Thematically it fits. If we're assuming the crash was an inside hit on the SEALS, then the hitter surely had some discretion on when to do it. Doing it when markets crash (as they were always going to with end of QE2) would minimise attention regardless of if HMWs keyword association is incorrect.


But being serious, I presented on page one of this thread real evidence that a spook-'journalist', who is the son of the deputy commander of the U.S. Cyber Command, had fabricated interviews with the Seals who 'killed' Bin Laden. You would think that this would be more interesting to a student of media psyops than some tenuous link to a 1-day dip in the stock market. Apparently not.
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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby DrVolin » Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:23 pm

Hugh leaves the obvious to us. He pursues the evanescent.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby Nordic » Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:03 pm

Okay, I'm gonna go out on a limb here. I recently, like in the last couple of days, saw a post somewhere, can't remember where, about a neighbor of the OBL house in Pakistan who said that one of the helicopters crashed during the supposed Kill Mission of OBL, that lots of people died.

There was a Youtube purportedly showing this. I can't find it now. Hmm, maybe in my history?

Trouble was, the Youtube interview wasn't translated into English.

This has been bothering me all day -- that these sorts of guys being KIA is usually kept very quiet, even their own families are usually told they died in some sort of accident somewhere. The fact that they're touting this as a mass casualty of Special Forces from a helicopter "crash", and now being blamed on those evil Taliban, gives me serious pause.

Also, there's the whole burial at sea thing.

Maybe there was a burial at sea. Of all these Navy Seals who died in the raid.

This is pure speculation, but I'm having a hard time believing anything the Pentagon tells me (of course).

Okay, found it!

Check this out:




And in the comments, someone has translated it:

(you have to read it from the bottom up, they are in reverse chronological order:)

/?d=2J9VU6PS  full translation here....plz thumbs up and make it top comment so all can see...go to megaupload site and add the above thing in the end....

Khakalukia 11 hours ago 3
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Khakalukia 11 hours ago
.he says around 200 people got into osamas house to check out what happened...He says WHEN THE CHOPPER EXPLODED, ITS CHUNKS FELL I. DIFFERENT DIRECTION....HE COULDNT MAKE OUT WHO THE SOLDIERS WERE...THE WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE...then another minor explosion took place and the all ran out....the polic and army came thet and they didnt let anybody inside again....

Khakalukia 11 hours ago
at 5:35 The NEWS correspondant says she doesnt believe him and asks him to tell the details...then he says THE SOLDIERS WHO GOT DOWN FROM THE CHOPPER WENT DOOR TO DOOR, KNOCKED THE DOORS AND YELLED THAT THEY WOULD SHOOT ANYONE WHO GOT OUTTA THERE HOUSES...THEY (souldiers) SPOKE IN NATIVE LANGUAGE ( The NEWS girl confirms this...she says she heard the same thing from other people as well)....later he came to know that Osama was killed.

Khakalukia 11 hours ago
WHEN THE HELICOPTER PICKED UP THOSE SOLDIERS ON THE GROUND, IT EXPLODED WITH ALL THE SOLDIERS INSIDE....EVERYONE DIED AND THE CHOPPER FELL DOWN....HE SAYS HOW COULD THEY TAKE OSAMA BACK TO AMERICA WHEN EVERYTHING WAS BURNT DOWN.....at the time of blast, he was on his terrace.....he saw the whole thing...there were no cops or army around...so he quickly went to Osamas house to get a closer look...many others also went to check it out....he was not the only one

Khakalukia 11 hours ago
the news correspondent confirmed his ID and Address with the local people and politicians to make sure its not some outside guy....the guy goes ahead and says "1 HELICOPTER CAME OVER OSAMAS HOUSE, DROPPED 10-12 SOLDIERS AND WENT AWAY....IT HOVERED OVER A NEARBY MOUNTAIN FOR 20 MINS AND CAME BACK TO OSAMAS HOUSE

Khakalukia 11 hours ago
The guy lives exactly in front of Osama's house (so called)...he saw the whole thing with his own eyes...when the Media team was near Osama's house, He comes to the NEWS correspondent and tells her "SISTER I WANNA TELL YOU SOMETHING THATS EATING ME FROM INSIDE"....but then he gets scared and calles his relatives to ask them if he should confess what he saw on that day.

Khakalukia 11 hours ago



I'm calling bullshit on today's story. It's part of the narrative, the myth.

And will be used to prolong the war. Now we really want to get back at those Taliban bastards!!!

(Finally found the article that led me to the youtube video: a Paul Craig Roberts article from two days ago: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=25898
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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby fruhmenschen » Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:31 pm

fruhmenschen wrote:You might want to view some of the mysterious deaths of people who saw things during 911 that the FBI does not want you to know about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...


The link has been altered. Here is the correct link for the site I have tested it after posting.
you can also google mysterious deaths of 911 witnesses (MUST SEE) youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU&NR=1
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Re: 20 members of OBL hit team killed in helicopter crash

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:10 am

The story keeps changing.

As of 10:29pm on Aug 6, CNN online, the 20 were from Seal Team 6, but not from the OBL kill team.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/08/06/afghanistan.nato.helicopter.crash/index.html?iref=BN1&hpt=hp_t1


U.S. official: Killed forces were reinforcing troops in Afghanistan

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- In the single deadliest loss for U.S. troops since the Afghan war began in late 2001, 30 service members died early Saturday when a helicopter carrying them went down while they were reinforcing other troops, officials said.

Insurgents are believed to have shot down the CH-47 Chinook, a U.S. military official said. The Taliban claimed militants downed the helicopter with a rocket-propelled grenade.

Among the 25 U.S. special operations forces killed in Wardak province were 22 Navy SEALS, considered to be the "best of the best." Seven Afghan troops also died.

The majority of the Navy SEALs who died belonged to the same covert unit that conducted the raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May, though they were not the same men, the military official said.

The troops died during a "quick reaction" mission to assist military personnel pinned down by insurgents in a fierce firefight, a U.S. military official told CNN.

"It's a big loss" for the SEALs, one of the officials said. "The numbers are high."

Reflecting on the sobering loss, President Barack Obama said the deaths were "a reminder of the extraordinary sacrifices made by the men and women of our military and their families, including all who have served in Afghanistan."

NATO's International Security Assistance Force said 30 U.S. service members in ISAF, one civilian interpreter and seven Afghan commandos were killed. The nationality of the interpreter was not known late Saturday.

Among those killed was Aaron Carson Vaughn, 30, his grandmother told CNN Saturday night. She called him a brave warrior and gentle man.

Geneva Carson Vaughn of Union City, Tennessee, said Aaron lived with his wife and two small children in Virginia Beach, Virginia. The SEAL told her in June not to worry about his well-being, she said. "He said 'I'm not afraid. Because I know where I am going if something happens to me.' "

"He is with the Lord now," she said. "I will see him again someday."

The U.S. deaths came as NATO is drawing down and handing over security control to national forces. Some 10,000 U.S. troops are scheduled to depart by year's end, with all U.S. military personnel out of Afghanistan by the end of 2014.

However, no one is talking about withdrawing special operations forces and they are expected to stay on the job.

"We are determined to stay the course, especially in this crucial period when Afghan and international security forces are working closer than ever to make transition a success," NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said.

Special operations forces have been conducting almost daily night-time raids against insurgent targets in rugged areas like Wardak.

The Chinook went down as an Afghan and coalition force operation targeted a bomb-making cell leader in Wardak, leading to the detention of numerous insurgents Friday, according to ISAF. It is not clear if the helicopter incident and the raid were connected.

Mohammad Hazrat Janan, head of the provincial council, said Tangi village elders reported that insurgents shot at the craft when it was returning from an operation.

Officials are being especially tight-lipped because recovery operations at the site are still underway and body identifications and family notifications are just beginning, a U.S. military official said.

ISAF has not said how the incident occurred. Spokesman Justin Brockhoff acknowledged the helicopter had been flying in an area where there was reported insurgent activity.

"No words describe the sorrow we feel in the wake of this tragic loss," said Gen. John R. Allen, ISAF commander. "All of those killed in this operation were true heroes who had already given so much in the defense of freedom. Their sacrifice will not be forgotten. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families who are now waiting for their loved ones to return home. We will do everything in our power to support them in this time of need."

The U.S. Embassy in Kabul, which said the helicopter went down Friday evening, said ISAF "is still assessing the circumstances that resulted in these deaths."

Afghan Defense Ministry spokesman Zahir Azimi said it's too early to say if the Taliban caused the crash. He called for an investigation.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Obama and others offered condolences.

"Information is still coming in about this incident. I think it's important that we allow investigators to do their work before jumping to too many conclusions," said Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

"It's also important that we respect the process of notifying family members, no matter how long that takes. We ought to remember that the troops we lose in this war aren't just statistics or numbers on a wall. They were parents and siblings, and someone's child. We need to make sure we do all we can to comfort and support the families whose lives are now forever changed."

Obama was first notified of the incident shortly after 8 p.m. Friday, a White House official told CNN. The president led a telephone briefing midmorning Saturday.

The CH-47 Chinook is the workhorse helicopter of the Army, used for decades to haul large numbers of troops and quantities of equipment.

The military is looking into whether the helicopter was vulnerable to being shot down.

Depending on the configuration, the tandem-rotor Chinook can carry 33 to 55 troops, plus two pilots on the flight deck, according to Jane's Defence Equipment and Technology. It is capable of speeds up to 159 mph. The front rotor turns counter-clockwise while the rear rotor turns clockwise.

The SEALs, and other special operations forces, are given dangerous missions and go after insurgents in remote areas. A huge amount of money, training and expertise is poured into their careers. Along with carrying out counter-terrorism assaults on the Afghan-Pakistani border, they conduct training and military missions around the world.

The Afghan street is buzzing with reflection about the significance of the incident.

"It shows that the Taliban are very strong and have not been defeated by the U.S.," said Kabul resident Saifurahman Ahmezai.

But others said the incident is not emblematic of a new-found insurgent strength.

"The Taliban are not that powerful," said Hezat, a police officer in Kabul who goes only by one name. "But if the international forces leave Afghanistan, the situation will get even worse."

Last month, a NATO helicopter was brought down by insurgent fire in the country's eastern province of Kunar. The Taliban also claimed responsibility for that attack, though no injuries were reported.

In a separate incident, a NATO service member died Saturday after an improvised explosive device detonated in southern Afghanistan. Elsewhere, a joint Afghan and coalition force conducted raids in the eastern province of Nangarhar, killing "several insurgents," NATO reported.

The operation also targeted a "Taliban facilitator," who NATO said was responsible for supplying ammunition and bomb-making materials to the Taliban.

In July, a series of gun battles in Nangarhar between insurgents and NATO forces left at least 10 militants dead.

There are 150,000 ISAF forces in Afghanistan, including nearly 100,000 from the United States -- the largest NATO presence in the region since the U.S.-led war began in 2001.

David Ariosto reported from Kabul, Afghanistan, and Barbara Starr and Steve Brusk reported from Washington.


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