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The real story is more spooky than here portrayed. Does anyone believe that Angleton would have conducted a black bag job himself over trifling gossip?
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The real story is more spooky than here portrayed. Does anyone believe that Angleton would have conducted a black bag job himself over trifling gossip?
MinM wrote: . . . Gerald McKnight has a good take on Angleton and Hoover:As far as Angleton is concerned his own self-entrapment with Golitsyn and his rapid paranoia about the Russians might have led him to believe that there was a KGB/Castro plot.
My take on this, for whatever its worth, is that Angleton and Hoover were to an extent soul-mates and looked out for each other. This despite the CIA/FBI fearsome rivalry. . .
Angleton cut his teeth in OSS and learnt from his mentors (AWD, WJD) even before the end of WWII, that accommodations with Hoover's FBI were SOP. But soul-mates?
Complicity might have brought them together. And it's fascinating to consider the go-between role William Harvey played. I guess only Harvey himself knew if he was the companys conduit to the FBI or if he was Hoover's agent penetrating the company.MinM wrote:Towards the end of the J. Edgar Movie there was a scene where Richard Nixon, upon receiving news of his death, orders Bob Haldeman to retrieve Hoover's files . . .
Angleton himself wasted no time in tracking down Mary Pinchot Meyer's memoirs.
Maybe JJA ended up with Marilyn's red diary as well.Does anyone believe that Angleton would have conducted a black bag job himself over trifling gossip?
Absolutely not. But when the target was 35 filing cabinets worth of Hoover's personal files, the source of his power for forty years, we shouldn't be surprised to see reports from neighbors of an angular, leonine featured, mantis bodied individual directing others to remove boxloads of material from the Hoover-Tolson 30th Street residence.
Noel Twyman's Bloody Treason (pp784-6) draws from the Congressional Inquiry into the Destruction of Former FBI Director J.Edgar Hoover's Files and FBI Recordkeeping; Hearings before a Subcommittee on Government Operations; Official & Confidential (Summers) & J Edgar Hoover:The Man and the Secrets(Gentry)
There is also reason to believe that the most secret files were removed from Hoover's home . . . and taken to the Blue Ridge Club near Harpers Ferry, West Virginia, where John Mohr, an FBI official, and his cronies held poker parties. When Senate investigators decided to inspect the club it burned down the night before their scheduled visit. . . Angleton occassionaly played poker with Mohr and his group at the Blue Ridge Club. . . Mohr denied under oath that he took any of the files from Hoover's 30th Street residence, but he made one exception. He did state that he had removed, ' . . . several boxes of spoiled wine.' When Angleton was questioned on this subject by Curt Gentry in a 1978 telephone interview, he would neither confirm nor deny having picked up any of the files.
When asked if, as rumored, Hoover's derogatory files on (Donovan) had been exchanged for the CIA's investigative files on (Hoover's) alleged homosexuality Angleton laughed and said, " First you have to find out if they're missing." It was an interesting clue, if Angleton meant it as that because most of Hoover's files on Donovan are missing. . .
" I'll tell you one thing," Angleton added with a chuckle, " and this is the last thing I'll tell you. I didn't haul away any spoiled wine."
Wombaticus Rex wrote:To be clear: I was referring to Meyer's home. So was the link I cited.
Wombaticus Rex wrote:Hoover is an utterly different animal, I doubt Angleton would have trusted anyone for that particular job.
Wombaticus Rex wrote: I had also never considered the timing of certain "ancient" leaks and contemporary scandals involving the Team B players who would have had access to that treasure trove. Grateful for the brainworm, I'll be chewing on that for awhile.
C.Y.A. uber alles.
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