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Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:47 pm
by seemslikeadream
Cristina Kirchner cancer: Hugo Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez speculated on Wednesday that the United States might have developed a way to give Latin American leaders cancer, after Argentina's Cristina Kirchner joined the list of presidents diagnosed with the disease.

9:13PM GMT 28 Dec 2011

It was a typically controversial statement by Venezuela's socialist leader, who underwent surgery in June to remove a tumour from his pelvis. But he stressed that he was not making any accusations, just thinking aloud.

"It would not be strange if they had developed the technology to induce cancer and nobody knew about it until now ... I don't know. I'm just reflecting," he said in a televised speech to troops at a military base.

"But this is very, very, very strange ... it's a bit difficult to explain this, to reason it, including using the law of probabilities."

Chavez, Kirchner, Paraguay's Fernando Lugo, Brazil's Dilma Rousseff and former Brazilian leader Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva have all been diagnosed recently with cancer. All of them are leftists.

Doctors say Kirchner has a very good chance of recovery and will not need chemotherapy or radiotherapy. Her diagnosis was made public on Tuesday.

Re: Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:46 pm
by Bruce Dazzling

Re: Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:47 pm
by Nordic
Hell yeah. I've been thinking this for quite some time. Coincidence theory, right?

Re: Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:23 pm
by slomo
It does strike me that cancer biology and cancer epidemiology - traditional disciplines in medicine and public health - could very easily be used to create, rather than prevent or cure, cancer. In particular, recent work on retrotransposons strikes me as quite relevant to targeted cancer creation.

I note that DoD has a lot of grant funding these days available for public health biology and epidemiology.

Re: Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer

PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:59 am
by temp-monitor
Statistically speaking --

How many South American (& North American) leaders got cancer in 2011? Seems like a disproportionate number:

Chavez, Christina Kirchner, Paraguay's President Fernando Lugo, Jack Layton

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... nt=2273134

Without Layton, ‘Orange Wave’ receding in Quebec
DANIEL LEBLANC
OTTAWA— Globe and Mail Update
Published Thursday, Dec. 15, 2011 7:13PM EST

Without Jack Layton in the picture, federal politics are headed for more turbulence in Quebec.

A poll this week showed the NDP is falling back to more traditional levels of support in the province without Mr. Layton at the helm, suggesting the “Orange Wave” is already receding after reshaping Quebec’s political map on May 2.

But political rivals are delighted at the thought that the NDP bubble has burst in Quebec. A Harris-Decima survey indicated this week the NDP’s support has plunged to 26 per cent in the province, which is tied with the Bloc Québécois and down 16 points since the party swept the province in the last election.

The reality is that people didn’t vote for the NDP, people voted for Jack Layton,” said Liberal MP Denis Coderre.

Re: Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer

PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:10 am
by temp-monitor
Best one-hour MP3 "in a nutshell" version of Dr. Mary's Monkey -- the Simian Virus experiments that led to a viral cancer weapon:

http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ ... ys-monkey/

In my opinion, this episode is in Dave Emory's all-time top 5 broadcasts, out of hundreds.

Also noteworthy are Jack Ruby's claims of being injected with cancer.

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Re: Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer

PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:43 am
by slomo
temp-monitor wrote:Statistically speaking --

How many South American (& North American) leaders got cancer in 2011? Seems like a disproportionate number:

Chavez, Christina Kirchner, Paraguay's President Fernando Lugo, Jack Layton

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... nt=2273134

Without Layton, ‘Orange Wave’ receding in Quebec
DANIEL LEBLANC
OTTAWA— Globe and Mail Update
Published Thursday, Dec. 15, 2011 7:13PM EST

Without Jack Layton in the picture, federal politics are headed for more turbulence in Quebec.

A poll this week showed the NDP is falling back to more traditional levels of support in the province without Mr. Layton at the helm, suggesting the “Orange Wave” is already receding after reshaping Quebec’s political map on May 2.

But political rivals are delighted at the thought that the NDP bubble has burst in Quebec. A Harris-Decima survey indicated this week the NDP’s support has plunged to 26 per cent in the province, which is tied with the Bloc Québécois and down 16 points since the party swept the province in the last election.

The reality is that people didn’t vote for the NDP, people voted for Jack Layton,” said Liberal MP Denis Coderre.

Cancer is a very common disease. Especially once you get to a certain age. Just sayin...

Re: Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer

PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:59 am
by Ben D
On the subject of Chavez, he's got this right imo...

Chavez sees US hand in Russia protests

MEXICO CITY, December 29 (RIA Novosti)

Venezuela’s President Hugo Chavez has blamed the United States for being behind the recent wave of protests in Russia against the outcome of the December 4 parliamentary elections.

Speaking on local television on Wednesday, Chavez said the US was attempting to destabilize Russia, and repeat the scenario in Egypt, Libya, Syria and the nations of South America.

“There goes the madness of the empire,” Chavez said on Venezuela de Television.

Political rallies have been held all across Russia since the disputed Duma elections, the largest of which, in Moscow, drew tens of thousands of protesters in an unprecedented display of opposition.

Chavez said an “attack of the Yankee empire” had started with an international media campaign against Vladimir Putin, Russia’s Prime Minister and the favorite candidate to win the presidential election on March 4.

“The United States is trying to his undermine his leadership, split Russia and destabilize its government and realize its imperialist project to create world hegemony,” Chavez said.

He called on Venezuelans to maintain unity. “What is happening in Russia, they will try here, because these people (the US and the Venezuelan bourgeoisie in the opposition) know they cannot win the elections, either politically or mathematically,” AVN news agency quoted Chavez as saying.

The United States has categorically denied any involvement in sponsoring anti-government protest in Russia, after accusations by Putin that it had encouraged dissent by criticizing the elections.

Presidential elections are due to he held in Venezuela on October 7, 2012.

Re: Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer

PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:17 am
by temp-monitor
slomo wrote:Cancer is a very common disease. Especially once you get to a certain age. Just sayin...


Chavez & Kirchner aren't even in their 60s.

Add Lula, Rousseff, Lugo, Layton, all "Leftists" -- where are all the cancer-ridden "Rightist" leaders?

The answer lies in this book
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Re: Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer

PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:27 am
by slomo
temp-monitor wrote:
slomo wrote:Cancer is a very common disease. Especially once you get to a certain age. Just sayin...


Chavez & Kirchner aren't even in their 60s.

Add Lula, Rousseff, Lugo, Layton, all "Leftists" -- where are all the cancer-ridden "Rightist" leaders?

Good point.

Is it possible to get a list of leaders of developing countries, along with a classification of political alignment (i.e. favorable or unfavorable to US interests) and with disease diagnoses / cause-of-death and age-at-diagnosis or death? If so, it would be pretty easy to get to provide statistical evidence for or against the hypothesis that US-friendly dictators are significantly less inclined to end up with cancer.

Re: Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer

PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:31 am
by MinM

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:16 pm
by Pele'sDaughter
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/world ... .html?_r=1

Cancer Found in President of Argentina


RIO DE JANEIRO — President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner of Argentina has thyroid cancer and will undergo surgery on Jan. 4 before taking a three-week absence from office, her spokesman said Tuesday in a televised address.

Alfredo Scoccimarro, the presidential spokesman, said that doctors detected the cancer during a medical examination on Thursday. He said there was “no existence of metastasis,” suggesting that Mrs. Kirchner’s chances could be strong for a recovery.

The announcement comes less than two months after Mrs. Kirchner, 58, glided to a re-election victory for a new four-year term. She has presided over an economy with remarkably robust growth rates, including a 9.3 percent expansion in the third quarter from the year earlier period, even as concerns persist over high inflation and capital flight.

Argentina was rocked last year by the death of Mrs. Kirchner’s husband, Néstor, at age 60 from a heart attack. Mr. Kirchner had preceded her as president and led Argentina out of a severe economic crisis after being elected in 2003. He remained an unrivaled political operator during his wife’s first term of office.

Mrs. Kirchner’s illness is sure to reignite talk in the region about how various leaders have recently handled the disclosure of cancer diagnoses.

Others who have been stricken with cancer in Latin America include Brazil’s former president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, who is being treated for throat cancer, and his successor, President Dilma Rousseff, who was treated for lymphoma before being elected last year. Paraguay’s president, Fernando Lugo, has also been treated in Brazil for non-Hodgkins lymphoma. President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela went into a long stretch of seclusion in Cuba this year before announcing in June that he had undergone surgery there for cancer.

Venezuela’s government has never revealed which type of cancer afflicted Mr. Chávez, who said in October that he had recovered.

Mrs. Kirchner, like Mr. da Silva, was swift in announcing her diagnosis and provided details of her condition. Mr. da Silva was already out of office, but the news still came as a shock since he remains perhaps the most towering figure in Brazilian politics.

The papillary thyroid carcinoma found in Mrs. Kirchner is a common type of cancer, often beginning as a small bump in the thyroid gland in the neck, and the survival rate is generally high.

Mr. Scoccimarro, Argentina’s presidential spokesman, said that Mrs. Kirchner would return to the presidency on Jan. 24. Vice President Amado Boudo will fill in during her absence, Mr. Scoccimarro said.

Re: Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer

PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:30 am
by wordspeak2
Wow, I'm usually the first to think of this, and it never occurred to me. I didn't know Chavez was so deep-politics-inclined. The Russia mingling is obvious to anyone paying attention, but...

"Add Lula, Rousseff, Lugo, Layton, all 'Leftists' -- where are all the cancer-ridden 'Rightist' leaders?
The answer lies in this book"

Could you spoil it? What's the answer?

I'll listen to that Dave Emory, etc. Meanwhile, something else our lovely government has done is suppress a most powerful and ubiquitous cure for cancer, cannabis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnP8IugJCHM

Re: Chavez ponders if US gave Latin American leaders cancer

PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:05 pm
by Pele'sDaughter
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16456040

Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner did not have cancer after all, the presidential spokesman has said.

Ms Fernandez underwent an operation last Wednesday aimed at treating suspected thyroid cancer.

Supporters gathered in vigil at the hospital amid huge public interest.

But post-operative tests had definitively ruled out the presence of cancerous cells in removed nodules, spokesman Alfredo Scoccimarro said.

The news was greeted with cheers of astonishment and relief when it was announced to supporters outside the Austral University Hospital in Pilar, some 60km (40 miles) from the Argentine capital Buenos Aires.

With the new diagnosis, Ms Fernandez's medical team "considers that the surgical treatment undertaken is sufficient and the administration of radioactive iodine is no longer necessary", Mr Scoccimarro said.
Popular leader

He said the president was thankful for the affection and concern for her health she had received.

She has been released from hospital and is convalescing at her official residence, he added.

Ms Fernandez, 58, won re-election with a landslide 54% of the vote in October, and is popular among Argentines who agree with her generous welfare programmes.

She had been believed to be suffering a papillary thyroid carcinoma, but doctors say it can be difficult to test definitively for the presence of the cancer without removing the thyroid gland in its entirety.

She was one of several Latin American leaders diagnosed with cancer in recent times.

President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, Paraguayan leader Fernando Lugo, and former Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva have all been operated on in the past year.

CNN: Chavez still battling cancer, Spanish newspaper says

PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:56 am
by MinM
Chavez still battling cancer, Spanish newspaper says

(CNN) -- Cancer has spread in Hugo Chavez's colon, spine and bones, and the Venezuelan president could have only nine months to live, Spain's ABC newspaper reported Monday, citing medical records provided by unidentified intelligence sources.

"His health appears to be deteriorating at a more rapid pace. Clearly there has been metastasis in the bones and the spine," the ABC report says, citing what it said were doctors' observations after medical tests December 30.

The newspaper did not divulge its sources or detail how it checked the information's accuracy, and CNN was unable to verify the report. An official in Venezuela's information ministry said the newspaper's report was invalid and the government would not comment on its contents.

In June, Chavez said doctors in Cuba had removed a cancerous tumor from his body but did not specify what type of cancer it was.

He announced in October that treatment had cured him of cancer, but the government has released few details about his health.

"There are no malignant cells in this body. They don't exist," Chavez, 57, said at the time.

The ABC newspaper report details what it says are doctors' differing estimates of Chavez's life expectancy during the course of his treatment.

According to ABC, in June doctors diagnosed Chavez with prostate cancer but said he could live for five years or more with treatment.

In late October, ABC says, the president's medical team said the number of cancerous cells in his bone marrow had increased. In late December, according to the newspaper, doctors said they had found a tumor in Chavez's colon. The president was refusing a more intense recommended treatment and could have only nine months to live, ABC says, citing medical records.

Citing a January 12 medical report, ABC says Chavez was receiving "increasing doses of painkillers and stimulants that have helped him give the impression that he is stabilizing and have given him a high level of visibility."
Emili Blasco, author of the article and the newspaper's Washington correspondent, defended the story in an interview with CNN en Español on Monday night.

He called the report "reliable," and stressed that his paper has no agenda.

A lawmaker from Chavez's United Socialist Party of Venezuela mocked the newspaper report's claims, which come at the start of a politically-important year for the Venezuelan president.

Chavez has pledged to run for re-election in 2012, dismissing speculation that his illness would force him out of politics.

"We have laughed a lot about this because because they insist, but they are seeing a Chavez that is active, that is working, that is in front of the government, of the party, of the fight, of the problems of the people and who is demonstrating that he is healthy," lawmaker Aristobulo Isturiz said at a news conference broadcast on state television.

Isturiz, who is vice president of Venezuela's National Assembly, noted that an energetic Chavez gave a state of the union speech that lasted more than nine hours earlier this month. The desires of political opponents of Chavez are fueling speculation, Isturiz told reporters.

"Desires are one thing, and there are many who wish Chavez had not nine months, but one month (to live)," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/23/world/ame ... index.html

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