Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:46 pm

Thank you.

Taking one of them, the 'monopoly capital and corporate crime in general' - which of his policies around that concern you?
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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:08 pm

Searcher08 wrote:Taking one of them, the 'monopoly capital and corporate crime in general' - which of his policies around that concern you?


I am concerned about:


his expressed opposition to federal antitrust legislation.


his support of environmentally destructive policies (H.R.2504, H.R.7079, H.R.393, H.R.7245, H.R.2415, H.R.4639, H.R.5293, and H.R.6936, offshore drilling, mining on federal lands, building more oil refineries, stopping conservation efforts posing a “Federal obstacle” to building and maintaining refineries).


his proposals that would weaken workers' rights (repeal the Occupational Safety and Health Act, the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act etc.)



And other things of this nature...
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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:21 pm

Thank you - that was exactly the detail I was after. :sun:
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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:37 pm

Searcher08 wrote:Thank you - that was exactly the detail I was after. :sun:

I would prefer to keep the focus here in this thread more on the charges regarding the hack and the links between white supremacists and the Ron Paul campaign.

What did you think of the revelations regarding Nick Griffin and the BNP?
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Postby Elihu » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:40 pm

I would prefer to keep the focus here in this thread more on the charges
well of course you would. spoken like a true apparatchnik. i feel you owe us a critique of the racial bonafides of the existing power structure. at least mittens, gingrinch, and sotero. yeah we get your forte of the stereotypical kkk guy. is there any other kind of racism behind the enormous contemporary non-white body counts that we need to be concerned about? are we waiting for a directive on that or am i just blowing things out of proportion?
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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby psynapz » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:18 am

What some Anon(s) actually fucking said:
we also heard some folks went on a joyride with Kelso's
credit card and made some lulzy purchases, including sex toy purchases and
making donations to the Anti Defamation League
and many others. Oops.

We call upon not only other antifascists but all those opposed to white
supremacy
to utilize this information and make hell for these white nationalist
scumbags.


What 'GIANLUCA MEZZOFIORE' of IBT saw:
and made donations to anti-fascist organisations, such as the Anti-Defamation League.
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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:41 am

American Dream wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:Thank you - that was exactly the detail I was after. :sun:

I would prefer to keep the focus here in this thread more on the charges regarding the hack and the links between white supremacists and the Ron Paul campaign.

What did you think of the revelations regarding Nick Griffin and the BNP?


I appreciate that; my interest in this thread however is more on the Anonymous hack - I raised some points about that earlier.

Regarding Nick Griffin and the BNP having associations with those American groups, I'm not surprised at all. The Ulster Unionists (at MP level) had links with the KKK way back in the 1970s.

I think there are some very tricky issues around all of this - because as I said there were hard ball communists working under the New Labour wing as organisers, but these people knew they would 'no longer be required' after the election - yet still chose to be involved for their own reasons. That may not be happening here, but it is worth considering.

The BNP has being doing terribly here in the UK, it has nearly imploded due to vicious infighting, legal cases, plummeting membership, bad publicity, Nick Griffins 'management style' and court cases.
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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby American Dream » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:28 am

Searcher08 wrote:
American Dream wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:Thank you - that was exactly the detail I was after. :sun:

I would prefer to keep the focus here in this thread more on the charges regarding the hack and the links between white supremacists and the Ron Paul campaign.

What did you think of the revelations regarding Nick Griffin and the BNP?


I appreciate that; my interest in this thread however is more on the Anonymous hack - I raised some points about that earlier.

Regarding Nick Griffin and the BNP having associations with those American groups, I'm not surprised at all. The Ulster Unionists (at MP level) had links with the KKK way back in the 1970s.

I think there are some very tricky issues around all of this - because as I said there were hard ball communists working under the New Labour wing as organisers, but these people knew they would 'no longer be required' after the election - yet still chose to be involved for their own reasons. That may not be happening here, but it is worth considering.

The BNP has being doing terribly here in the UK, it has nearly imploded due to vicious infighting, legal cases, plummeting membership, bad publicity, Nick Griffins 'management style' and court cases.

Thanks for that response- very interesting and important stuff I think, and yes, transatlantic alliances of racists and fascists should not surprise us much at all
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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby Harvey » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:35 am

Just a question from a wholly disinterested party, has Anonymous ever delivered, well, anything at all?

Apart from its ability to do technically difficult hacks, and losing the occasional well signposted foot soldier along the way? (Remember the inexplicable 'topiary' reference in the News of The World hack which led directly to low level arrests?)

Let me also ask, if you wanted a sexy, high-value, counter-cultural, decoy, disinformation agent, what would it look like? Yes, and it probably would do ten impossible hacks before breakfast as well.
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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby crikkett » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:43 am

Harvey wrote:Just a question from a wholly disinterested party, has Anonymous ever delivered, well, anything at all?

Anonymous gave us the story of HBGeary and the Bank of America plan to harass reporters. That's huge.
Apart from its ability to do technically difficult hacks, and losing the occasional well signposted foot soldier along the way? (Remember the inexplicable 'topiary' reference in the News of The World hack which led directly to low level arrests?)

There's a pastebin (I can't find now) where Anonymous members wrote about their exploits. The most memorable to me was a young (man?) who wrote about helping people who were on the run in the middle east. Heartwrenching stuff.
Let me also ask, if you wanted a sexy, high-value, counter-cultural, decoy, disinformation agent, what would it look like? Yes, and it probably would do ten impossible hacks before breakfast as well.

Not sure.
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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:55 am

Harvey wrote:Just a question from a wholly disinterested party, has Anonymous ever delivered, well, anything at all?


Holy fucking shit Yes. As one of the few living mammals who apparently checks out D0X dumps, Anonymous has delivered the goods on a truly epic scale. That track record has been strongly diluted in the past 6 months as the phenomenon spins out of control, but of course, that's all according to their CIA-Vatican handler's plans. It makes sense that they'd want to dilute the reputation and effectiveness of their own disinformation tool, right?
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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby psynapz » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:25 am

crikkett wrote:
Harvey wrote:Just a question from a wholly disinterested party, has Anonymous ever delivered, well, anything at all?

Anonymous gave us the story of HBGeary and the Bank of America plan to harass reporters. That's huge.
Apart from its ability to do technically difficult hacks, and losing the occasional well signposted foot soldier along the way? (Remember the inexplicable 'topiary' reference in the News of The World hack which led directly to low level arrests?)

There's a pastebin (I can't find now) where Anonymous members wrote about their exploits. The most memorable to me was a young (man?) who wrote about helping people who were on the run in the middle east. Heartwrenching stuff.
Let me also ask, if you wanted a sexy, high-value, counter-cultural, decoy, disinformation agent, what would it look like? Yes, and it probably would do ten impossible hacks before breakfast as well.

Not sure.

Thanks Harvey and crikkett for this exchange... what strikes me having read both of these is a rather axiomatic progression of thoughts:

There is no THE Conspiracy. After a decade of studying modern conspiratology in all its forms, the thing that's become the most crystal clear to me following RI over more recent years is that there simply is not a single one monolithic, centralized conspiracy. There are several. Some collaborate, some engage parasitically with each other, and others battle for control, for hearts and minds, and for resources, in a wide variety of theaters. Sure, they have commonalities such as complex multi-layered security constructs to protect their criminal enterprises from scrutiny, subjugation of the majority through callous deceit, and a general powerlust, but clear distinctions are often drawn here among their histories, scope, motive and modus operandi.

Anonymous is a counter-conspiracy. The most obvious way to operate a formidable counter-force to serious and secretive centralized power and increasing control is obviously a cheerful and public de-centralized circumvention of power and increasing chaos. This non-organizational non-structure is the only defense against neutralization through infiltration by their opponents.

There is no THE Anonymous. By nature of it being essentially an open-source brand, "Anonymous" can obviously be used rather effectively by any interests to further their agenda, including double-agency or even counter-double-agency. All the public can do is follow the wake of a public announcement to get a sense of Anon consensus, which as we've seen recently isn't necessarily a given, which is incredibly instructive. Ultimately, we will know Anonymous on any given day by their actions on any given day. In the modern nanny-police state, without this double-edge of the Sword of Anonymity, successful large-scale anti-fascist operations could not occur repeatably due to destructive infiltration, and the collateral cost of the new mass-action capabilities afforded by this built-in resiliency is that we can't surmise intent by the identity of the actor as we are accustomed to as non-anonymous social beings, and must instead rely upon the quality of the actions and their aftermath, weighed against any compelling counter-arguments denouncing said actions by other Anons.

Let's hear it for the vague blur...
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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby Sounder » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:42 am

Here, here,-for the vague blur, well said psynapz.
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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby slimmouse » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:01 pm

psynapz wrote:There is no THE Conspiracy. After a decade of studying modern conspiratology in all its forms, the thing that's become the most crystal clear to me following RI over more recent years is that there simply is not a single one monolithic, centralized conspiracy. There are several. Some collaborate, some engage parasitically with each other, and others battle for control, for hearts and minds, and for resources, in a wide variety of theaters. Sure, they have commonalities such as complex multi-layered security constructs to protect their criminal enterprises from scrutiny, subjugation of the majority through callous deceit, and a general powerlust, but clear distinctions are often drawn here among their histories, scope, motive and modus operandi.


This may indeed be right on the money, but even if it were, how is that any different to saying that the 99.99999% are not still controlled by essentially the 0.000001 % ?

Where does the pyramid ever break down, even in this situation ? Perhaps theres no capstone - yet. Theres a thought.
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Re: Anonymous hacks A3P, Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Ron Paul

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:47 pm

slimmouse wrote:
psynapz wrote:There is no THE Conspiracy. After a decade of studying modern conspiratology in all its forms, the thing that's become the most crystal clear to me following RI over more recent years is that there simply is not a single one monolithic, centralized conspiracy. There are several. Some collaborate, some engage parasitically with each other, and others battle for control, for hearts and minds, and for resources, in a wide variety of theaters. Sure, they have commonalities such as complex multi-layered security constructs to protect their criminal enterprises from scrutiny, subjugation of the majority through callous deceit, and a general powerlust, but clear distinctions are often drawn here among their histories, scope, motive and modus operandi.


This may indeed be right on the money, but even if it were, how is that any different to saying that the 99.99999% are not still controlled by essentially the 0.000001 % ?

Where does the pyramid ever break down, even in this situation ? Perhaps theres no capstone - yet. Theres a thought.


The 'pyramid' visualisation is a model, a filter, a way of extracting meaning from the bllomin buzzing confusion out there. It is a metaphor. One of the most important things around designing ortganisation is knowing that differents metaphors will filter out very different perceptual models.

An example
The top corporation in terms of influence of the 147 most interconnected and interlocking multinationals is Barclays.

Marcus Agius, the Chairman of the Board of Barclays is a former Chair of Lazards and is married into and significantly involved with the Rothschild family. He is much more a candidate for the Head of the Octopus than the CEO of Goldman Sachs

However if you listen to the Rothschild and the Rockefeller actually speak, they work very much by consensus, not dictat or orders. It is all temperature taking, small movements, not Napoleon.

Barclay's biggest shareholder is Qatar FWIW
However, the degree of interconnection between people in general is such that you could probably friend a Rothschild on Facebook. You would probably find them spending much more time thinking about how to repair the leaky rooves of their stately homes than world domination.
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